Aside from the trades fans of other teams are going to propose what does everyone think we should be plotting in the offseason while we aren't in the playoffs Now that we have caproom and one draft pick, of course. Anyone think we'll re-sign Clark? Dice? Harvey?
I really hope we resign Clark and Harvey. Dice might get resigned but it depends on what he does the rest of the year.
Id just like clark to resign, he shouldnt want too much money. IU don;t want them to sign mcdyess, if they do, it will probably be a fairly big contract, and he isnt worth it, they should go after some depth in free agency.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jdub:</div><div class="quote_post">Id just like clark to resign, he shouldnt want too much money. IU don;t want them to sign mcdyess, if they do, it will probably be a fairly big contract, and he isnt worth it, they should go after some depth in free agency.</div> Well if the price is right I would definatly want Dice back.
well i really dont think the price will be right though, what would the right price be though? i would say less than 4 mil a year, whats he makin now 12? anything over 4 definatley wouldnt be worth it, what do you guys think the right pprice for dice is?
I dont think that the suns should re-sign dyess. They should resign clark depending on how he does the rest of the season if he plays. They should sign a good Center if they cannot get clark or if dont play well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jdub:</div><div class="quote_post">well i really dont think the price will be right though, what would the right price be though? i would say less than 4 mil a year, whats he makin now 12? anything over 4 definatley wouldnt be worth it, what do you guys think the right pprice for dice is?</div> I don't think he'll ever be overpaid in the rest of his career, as long as he doesn't get injured. People won't be willing to give him big deals because of his ankle problems, I don't think it will cost much to resign him.
Keep Keon "Toothpick Legs" Clark and keep Dice too if the price is right, remember the guy is injury prone so you can't invest too much money in him. Having depth in the front court is one key to success, few teams have that luxury and it could help The Suns dramatically. They should defintely keep Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudemire around. I believe they have 15-20 million to pick up free agents so they should be capable of improving their team immensely. With guys like Zydrunas, Antoine Walker, Steve Nash, Rasheed Wallace, Mehmet Okur, Erick Dampier, and Kobe Bryant all entering free agency, The Suns have a real chance of becoming a contender for the playoffs once again next season. Future looks bright...
Well Phoenix's payroll next year will be $33,885,583 without a change on the roster, which means if the cap is the same as this year (who knows what it'll be next year, until next year) which is $43,840,000 -- then the Suns have almost $10,000,000 to use for Free Agents. Phoenix is TRYING to unload White and Eisley to free up an additional $12,000,000 thus giving them $22 Million or so. Rumors have it White is going to be selected in the Charlotte draft, if the Suns give them $3 Million and the Cleveland Draft pick... not sure how they are gonna unload Eisley, but they'll obviously have to take some salary back... so they'll unload HIS salary but take some of it back in other players (plus have to give up future 1st rounders I'm sure). Not to mention Phoenix will have to sign (what looks to be) a top 5 draft pick, last year's #5 (Wade) earns $2.6 million, so add that to their payroll, they'll have even less money... so Phoenix will have to do some wheelin' and dealin' to get as far under the cap as they need.
They dropped of Penny's 13 million salary, Stephon's salary, and Tom Gugliotta's salary. Not to mention McDyess's 10 Million+ dollar contract runs out this season, so how does this team have JUST 10 Million to spend? I don't believe your statistics are correct, I've heard on alot of sports shows they have nearly 20 million to spend.
Rumor has it that Dice is aware that he will have to sign a mid level veteran type salary and that he is willing since he'd like to stay in Phoenix as he says they give him a lot of respect. Is this Clark's first major injury?
Well seeing as the Suns were paying $60+ Million before all those trades, yes they do only have $10 million. The NBA isn't the NFL, we have a soft cap, most teams are WAYYY over, which means even if they trade away salaries they aren't far enough under the salary cap. Remember : Teams can resign players and go OVER their cap, but to sign a Free Agent you can't exceed the cap to sign them. That's why Phoenix had to do a sign & trade to even get Penny. In any case they aren't my numbers, those are the real numbers, I don't make things up... try searching a few sites, perhaps go to the 1 everybody on this forum goes to for salary cap info (HoopsHype) here's a link to Phoenix's salary situation... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm Learn about the salary cap... just because you trade away $10 million it doesn't mean you have $10 million to spend Take a look at New York, they can trade half their roster and still be well over the cap... SOFT SALARY CAP!!
I know, I explained my post further in the Boston Celtics thread that you replied to, but I guess I can elaborate here as well. The Suns are going to have 10+ technically to spend on free agents, that's what it says on paper. But every franchise these days defers a free agents contract over several years. That way you can pay a free agent LESS is the first year you sign him you give him whatever cap is avaiable, than increase his salary as time goes on. The Suns's payroll is expected to decrease in the following years, leaving more money avaiable to be paid out those seasons. Give him less money early on, than more money when cap frees up in the future, which is expected in Phoenix's situation. Lets take Jason Kidd for instance. This season he makes 13 million, towards the end of his contract he'll make 20+ in back to back seasons. So Yeah, PHX may have just 10 Million of avaiable cap space to give a free agent, but they could easily sign a Kobe Bryant type player who may demand a HUGE contract. Kobe's contract is likely to average 16 million per season, but PHX could simply give him 10 million his first year than increase that number in the following seasons when you have more cap space. Numbers can be deceiving, the payroll may only say 10 million is avaiable for free agents, but clearly you capable of signing players who earn much more than that.
First of all Jason Kidd isn't a good example, he's never been a Free Agent, so his salary has never mattered, he has Bird rights and always have... he can resign with huge contracts reguardless of salary cap. Ok but it's a valid arguement... you COULD sign a player to a smaller salary in the first year, because that is all that matters (future salary caps are unknown, so they can't enforce it past this year) but here's the problem. Most players won't sign for little money, and even if there was an agreement that somebody like Kobe would get $10 million this year but $20 million next year, it's not possible because the Collective Bargaining Agreement states pay raises for the following year can be no more than 10% of the first year, so if Kobe signs a 6 year contract and his first year is $10 million, his pay at MAX can be... '04-'05 = $10 million '05-'06 = $11 million '06-'07 = $12 million '07-'08 = $13 million '08-'09 = $14 million '09-'10 = $15 million So Kobe who could just stay with LA for $14.6 million is gonna give up $4.6 million this year, ,so that in 6 years he can make then what he's making now? Kobe's not gonna be cheap... he'll demand a max contract (or near) so Kobe will be a 8 year vet; an 8 year vet signed last summer would start at $13,152,000 (should be higher next year) such as Jermaine O'Neal did (7 year vets earned the same). Phoenix needs to get rid of Jahidi White and Howard Eisley to make enough room... I hear the White deal is as good as DONE. So there's a near $6 million extra, which means now the Suns can be in the running for Kobe. Which by the way I think it stupid... they could get 3 good players for the cost of 1 very good player. They need depth and defense more than they need another scorer... though the clutch shooting is something we're missing (Marbury's gone) -- that's why the Suns lose most of their games in the last 2 minutes. My point is the Suns don't have all the cap room you think they have, and even if they cheat, they can't!! So the Suns still have some wheelin' and dealin' to get done before they can be a big player in the market... Utah and Atlanta have so much room for this summer, problem is they won't get a Kobe or Rasheed, so they'll have to settle for what I want the Suns to do, stock pile good players and create depth.
From the games I've seen JJ misses in the middle but makes his late game shots. Amare plays the same through the game. If anything the main miss-when it-counts guy is, sadly, Marion. They do need a a third clutch player if they are ever going to close games out. They just play inconsistently throughout the game. With the exception of the big Dallas game they don't run away with a lead very often. They get lax and let people catch up. It's like they want to make a crunch situation. I agree that we need two or three people for depth rather than a superSG when we already have a better than good one.
Well, it looks like the suns are using a 7 man rotation. They don't have a good second PG (we are all hoping that vujanic will fill this need). They don't have a good starting Center and they are short one forward (as Zarko does swing duty). This seems crazy given the amount of forwards they have but they really aren't giving Harvey or Dice any minutes (and Lampe is still a practice only player and will be next year too probably.) If they aren't playing them this year then they probably won't resign them for next. I don't understand why they don't play harvey. He puts up good numbers given his miniscule minutes (in 5 minutes he's shown he can get 5 points and a coupke boards in some games). That leaves Clark as the big mystery. Will he be healthy? Will they bite? He would be a steady backup to Amare. At center we can get Erick Dampier if he's willing to come to the last place western team. We will have the dough to grab him. So Dampier, Vujanic, and Clark and we'll be kickin tails and taking names next year. That's if Clark is healthy and Vujanic lives up to the "best Euro PG" hype. Given that happens what position do you guys think we should draft? Keep in mind Lampe may grow and might be able to cover center (he's bigger than Voshkul) and certainly can play the 4. My guess is we still draft a big man, maybe Pavel.
Sorry to flog the dead horse, but... To change my tune... So It seems we're pretty happy with Dice adding depth, guidance, and rebounding to the team (though he sure didn't provide against dallas too well). And Lampe can play C (he gave better numbers in his time than Dice at C on several occasions, like tonight)! We should focus on rebounding and, causing trouble, outside shooting. As far as guards... we have a weird situation. Barbosa is a scoring guard, reports have Vujanic as a scoring guard, and it's kinda unnatural to have JJ out of position all the time. He seems to be jogged back into the mix as well as the amare-less days even if he's not playing point. Does Eisley provide enough or do we try and ditch him? I'd like to see us run after Brent Barry, who can play combo guard just as well as JJ, to give us outside shooting and fill out a guard rotation. I say we give up on Casey for a little while. He can play D and every once in a while he'll go on a streak but he's just not a consistent producer when given 20+ minutes so he won't be any better once Zarko is covering Marion and he's just covering SG. I think Zarko will get his act ironed out over the summer. He'll kick butt in the summer leagues and get his confidence back. Hopefully we are smart enough not to trade Marion. and with them we are solid at the 3. So can Lampe produce starting or do we go after Dampier, Camby, or Swift? Voshkul is my man off the bench (although sadly my avatar is misspelled). I'd really like us to chase after Dampier and leave Lampe as a backup but I don't want to see Voshkul squeezed out as I watched Outlaw. Their energy on defense got the team in gear last year and getting rid of your spark plugs does nothing good for your engine. Ultimately I realize that Dampier would provide rebounding we are lacking and an experienced inside presence. It'd be cool to have the option of a post center and an outside Center (Lampe) to open the lane like the Kings do. Running the ball inside out from Amare at the post and Lampe farther out would give good driving ability plus spread the floor a little. A tough decision on whether to shoot for Dampier or Camby or Swift or Clark even. if we stay with those that brung us we have a 10 man rotation of Barbosa Vujanic JJ Casey Marion Zarko Amare Dice Lampe Voshkul really Voshkul's incinsistent rebounding, Casey's inconsistent contribution, and Barbosa's lack of distribution are going to continue to be our weaknesses. How would the draft help us in this situation? We don't need Okaphor (that'll get some screams of protest) and Ben Gordon is another point guard in the vein of the two we already have. Andre Igoudala isn't an outside shooter. Pavel isn't what we need. We should trade for future picks. OR... what veterans do you guys think we should go after in trade? I stick to Barry and Dampier or standing pat for a season and developing what we got. BUT... let's keep up with suggestions I hope we manage to ditch White in the expansion draft
With the cap space and the right trade bait, the Suns can get some youthful players to play meaningful minutes next season and form a nice, young core.
