How We Forget So Quickly..Kobe Is STILL The Man.[Approved]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">you know.. the lakers fans don't hate on kg and duncan.. but when it comes to any other teams fans and another player..

THE HATE.

as a wise man once said..
"brush your shoulders off" - jay z.</div>


I got some... dirt on my shoulder, would you brush it off fa' me?

Yeah, every season, it seems, Kobe goes on these crazy weeks right after the All Star break. Last year, he went on a 40 plus rampage without Shaq, and this year, he's doing it with him. It's just amazing how a player like Kobe Bryant can do it. If he could do that all season, there'd definitely be some problems for other teams.

And you mean the Spurs HAVE bandwagon fans?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">I got some... dirt on my shoulder, would you brush it off fa' me?

Yeah, every season, it seems, Kobe goes on these crazy weeks right after the All Star break. Last year, he went on a 40 plus rampage without Shaq, and this year, he's doing it with him. It's just amazing how a player like Kobe Bryant can do it. If he could do that all season, there'd definitely be some problems for other teams.

And you mean the Spurs HAVE bandwagon fans?</div>

Actually in a lot of those games where he had 40+ points Shaq was also playing... I don't think he deserves it over KG either because Garnett has been doing it all season, and even if Kobe continues it thats only a half of a season. I'm also one of those who felt Kobe did get robbed on the MVP last year, carrying his team alone without Shaq for many games, and the Lakers supporting cast was horrible. T.D. is great and dominant no doubt, but to say Kobe didn't deserve it because he didn't win is bull. Oh yeah and by the way MVP is handed out for the season, and it doesn't include playoffs... Just to all those who said he shouldn't have won because they didn't win the championship last year.

 

well last year it was all kg or kobe.. even t-mac.. and tim duncan wins it. it seems that who we think should win it, never wins it. so with everybody picking kg, and td.. maybe someone else will snatch it. the first time duncan won, i had shaq getting it that year.. then we all know the malone robbery over michael.. and there's been more shams.

kobe really needs one, and his performance of recent years deserves it. (yes, i'm well aware it doesnt matter what's done in the past).

i want kg to win one too.. i wouldnt be upset if he did win it this year. but being a kobe fan, i have my biased selfish ways.

i hope he keeps it up.. just makes the nba that much more better when someone continually takes their game to another level.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple N Gold:</div><div class="quote_post">Who ever said he was better than KG? okafoever simply stated, forget all the KG TD talk, because it is time for another player to get noticed for MVP.</div>

Generally labelling someone "the man" means the bucks stops with them in the NBA. That is not the case with Kobe Bryant, and it won't be, come season end.

KG will win the MVP this year, I'd bet my house and my best friend's house on it. Don't kid yourself into thinking Tim Duncan was undeserving last year, it was either him or KG, and the Spurs record swung the balance in his favour. Kobe and TMac were just a couple of guys who scored a lot.

<font color="red"><font size="1">double posting is not allowed - BN</font></font>

 

KG will win the MVP this year, I'd bet my house and my best friend's house on it. Don't kid yourself into thinking Tim Duncan was undeserving last year, it was either him or KG, and the Spurs record swung the balance in his favour. Kobe and TMac were just a couple of guys who scored a lot.

 

Laker forum, here we come.

 

Kobe for MVP? I doesn't look like it. I am a big fan of Kobe and the Lakers but to say he is deserving of the MVP this year is pretty bandwagonish, I think Peja deserves more attentiong than Kobe does at this point (as much as that hurts to say). AND....to say he was robbed last year of the MVP?? I don't think so buddy.....to pick Kobe over TD would have been pure contreversy

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">well last year it was all kg or kobe.. even t-mac.. and tim duncan wins it. it seems that who we think should win it, never wins it. so with everybody picking kg, and td.. maybe someone else will snatch it. the first time duncan won, i had shaq getting it that year.. then we all know the malone robbery over michael.. and there's been more shams.
</div>

So Kobe who is not even considered "the man" on that Laker team deserved MVP over who carried his team to 1st seed and 60 wins being Tim Duncan? Yoy know how messed up that sounds?

Kobe will never get or deserve MVP til he has a team of his own.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting worldchamps9903:</div><div class="quote_post">PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! All the laker fans said the same thing when he went on that 35 point tear. But did the lakers win a championship???? NO i'm a spurs fan but i don't thing that the spurs or lakers will take it this year. I say the kings and the t-wolves in the western conference finals!!!!! MARK MY WORDS!!</div>

Just to refresh your mind, Kobe didn't go on a 35 point tear. It was a 40 point tear. Maybe the Lakers didn't win the title, but this team healthy-wise has a huge shot of getting back to the Finals again. It's funny how you mention the Minnesota Timberwolves going to the Finals. Do you honestly believe a team that hasn't made it past the first round for seven straight seasons will actually just get past all that history and make a Finals appearance? I don't think so.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">enough of this kg talk, and tim duncan talk.

come on.. who's been on fire since the all star break.. since the 2nd half of the season..

this is where the real talks begin. this is where the mvp voting gets decided. in the second half of the season, where everything matters most. the first half all you have to do is be consistant enough.

kobe's stepped up already.. dropped 40 tonight on the suns.

if they (the lakers) can put together some massive winning streak.. as i figured they would .. going 73-9 this season.. ;0. ok, so i was wrong on that.. but they know they're better than everyone else.. it's time to bust out.

a lakers win, and a 40 pt kobe night on an all around perfect game.. that's just one early birthday present.

kg and duncan will never be the prolific scorer that kobe is. and kobe gets the rest of the stats too, and most importantly.. the wins. 4-0 since the break. 33.5 ppg since..

let's not forget.. while kobe is on his tear.. shaq is getting his numbers too.

kobe for mvp!
(yes i'm still praying.. got robbed last year!)</div>

I'm a huge Kobe fan, but I also feel Kevin Garnett has the MVP this year. I know Kobe has averaged 33.5 points the last four games, and that is some excellent statistics, but KG has been doing this ever since day one of the season.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting RiverspoonJones:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe and TMac were just a couple of guys who scored a lot.</div>




Kobe and T-Mac are just a couple of guys who scored a lot? That's all, just scorers? Someone doesn't watch the NBA.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">So Kobe who is not even considered "the man" on that Laker team deserved MVP over who carried his team to 1st seed and 60 wins being Tim Duncan? Yoy know how messed up that sounds?

Kobe will never get or deserve MVP til he has a team of his own.</div>

So what does it take to be "the man" on a team now, kill Shaq? He's their best scorer, takes the most shots, and he makes most of the team's clutch shots. Shaq is not nearly as good in the clutch as Kobe, and we all know this is slowly becoming Kobe's team. I think Kobe really started taking this team over last year. His own team means what? Kobe and no other superstar? Jordan had Pipen, thats two superstars. Kobe and Shaq are two superstars, and this team is now basically Kobe's so what's Kobe gotta do now? Kobe I think IS the man with L.A. now, and Shaq's the 2nd guy. You know what who "the man" is doesn't really matter, as long as the Lakers take it all again this year I'll be happy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">So Kobe who is not even considered "the man" on that Laker team deserved MVP over who carried his team to 1st seed and 60 wins being Tim Duncan? Yoy know how messed up that sounds?

Kobe will never get or deserve MVP til he has a team of his own.</div>

So what does it take to be "the man" on a team now, kill Shaq? He's their best scorer, takes the most shots, and he makes most of the team's clutch shots. Shaq is not nearly as good in the clutch as Kobe, and we all know this is slowly becoming Kobe's team. I think Kobe really started taking this team over last year. His own team means what? Kobe and no other superstar? Jordan had Pipen, thats two superstars. Kobe and Shaq are two superstars, and this team is now basically Kobe's so what's Kobe gotta do now? Kobe I think IS the man with L.A. now, and Shaq's the 2nd guy. You know what who "the man" is doesn't really matter, as long as the Lakers take it all again this year I'll be happy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">So what does it take to be "the man" on a team now, kill Shaq? He's their best scorer, takes the most shots, and he makes most of the team's clutch shots. Shaq is not nearly as good in the clutch as Kobe, and we all know this is slowly becoming Kobe's team. I think Kobe really started taking this team over last year. His own team means what? Kobe and no other superstar? Jordan had Pipen, thats two superstars. Kobe and Shaq are two superstars, and this team is now basically Kobe's so what's Kobe gotta do now? Kobe I think IS the man with L.A. now, and Shaq's the 2nd guy. You know what who "the man" is doesn't really matter, as long as the Lakers take it all again this year I'll be happy.</div>

Yeah, good points Phreeze. You guys are going to keep saying that(as long as their playing together) until the day Shaq retires? I agree 100% of what you said, you could sense the feel that it was becomming Kobe's team last year, and lately it is slowly showing that Kobe is the man on this Laker team. Only reason Shaq has a better record without Kobe than Kobe without Shaq is because he's the man in the middle. He's the Big Fella who sits in the paint, defends well, bring it in his house and it's Laker ball. And we know on the offensive side, it is much easier to get everyone involved being 7'2 300 pounds sitting in the paint. Yes, he's the dominant player, and the offense still does flow through Shaq, but are you guys aware that Kobe really puts this team on his back down the stretch of games, and he is actually the one who is hitting the clutch shots over and over to give LA leads in the 4th.

I'm convinced that you guys are still on the "How can it be Kobe's team, Shaq is so dominant" type stuff. Well like Phreeze said, how do you know when it's your team? Does that mean 1 superstar, and the rest role players? Where are you going to get to that? If Kobe continues to lead this Laker team like he has the last 4 games since the break, there is no denying the fact that he is the MAN in Lakerland. What else does this man have to prove? You tell me, because I certainly don't know.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">So what does it take to be "the man" on a team now, kill Shaq? He's their best scorer, takes the most shots, and he makes most of the team's clutch shots. Shaq is not nearly as good in the clutch as Kobe, and we all know this is slowly becoming Kobe's team. I think Kobe really started taking this team over last year. His own team means what? Kobe and no other superstar? Jordan had Pipen, thats two superstars. Kobe and Shaq are two superstars, and this team is now basically Kobe's so what's Kobe gotta do now? Kobe I think IS the man with L.A. now, and Shaq's the 2nd guy. You know what who "the man" is doesn't really matter, as long as the Lakers take it all again this year I'll be happy.</div>

Kobe may be the better scorer and clutch player but the offense runs through Shaq. It's still his team, Kobe chance to lead a team will come soon enough. He may likely be no different than Tracy Mcgrady in Orlando but then everyone will be able to see what he can do without the 300 pound monster by his side.

For it to be Kobe's team, the offense has to be built around him, right now that isn't the case.

But If you guys are true Laker fans and not Kobe fans, then It shouldn't matter who's team it really is. It's all about the wins not personal glory.

 

Does anyone realize this whole thread came off the hype of a couple of games? People are annointing this guy the King of Los angeles already over Shaq and that is plain wrong. Sure Kobe wins the games in the 4th quarter but who brings them to that point in the first place....Shaq

What does Kobe have to prove? More than 4 good games for me.

Another question....If all the Laker fans have a choice, who would they keep on the team to win a championship? Kobe or Shaq? Is it that tough of a question?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">
Another question....If all the Laker fans have a choice, who would they keep on the team to win a championship? Kobe or Shaq? Is it that tough of a question?</div>

Consensus here in L.A. is Kobe...not because he's better than Shaq...but because he's on the rise, and Shaq is on the decline...There was an article about this in the L.A. times recently....Dr. Jerry Buss seems to be hinting that he'd rather have Kobe than Shaq and Phil...I dont have the article but ESPN has a short summary HERE ...personally, I'm torn with this issue because I've always been a firm believer in loyalty and Shaq (and Phil) have done a lot in the revival of this storied franchise....but at the same time, loyalty to others might cost L.A. the leagues best perimeter player for years to come...

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe may be the better scorer and clutch player but the offense runs through Shaq. It's still his team, Kobe chance to lead a team will come soon enough. He may likely be no different than Tracy Mcgrady in Orlando but then everyone will be able to see what he can do without the 300 pound monster by his side.</div>

What I think PNG and Phreeze meant was that while its still Shaq's team, you can slowly see if shifting to Kobe's team...even Phil Jackson has made adjustments in the Triangle to focus more on Kobe...if you recall, that was the main reason for his 40-point outburst last season...

Is Kobe ever going to get MVP with Shaq on the team? Not likely as long as Shaq is still dominant....the Lakers don't take the regular season seriously enough for any of their players to win MVP...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">But If you guys are true Laker fans and not Kobe fans, then It shouldn't matter who's team it really is. It's all about the wins not personal glory.</div>

Read the last sentence you quoted me on.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Consensus here in L.A. is Kobe...not because he's better than Shaq...but because he's on the rise, and Shaq is on the decline...There was an article about this in the L.A. times recently....Dr. Jerry Buss seems to be hinting that he'd rather have Kobe than Shaq and Phil...I dont have the article but ESPN has a short summary HERE ...personally, I'm torn with this issue because I've always been a firm believer in loyalty and Shaq (and Phil) have done a lot in the revival of this storied franchise....but at the same time, loyalty to others might cost L.A. the leagues best perimeter player for years to come...
</div>

Yeah, that was a great article. I'd also pick Kobe for the future if I had to, not because he's my favorite player but like NMG said he's still young and Shaq is only on the decline. As for if we had to let go of Phil, that would be a huge loss but there are many coaches who come to mind if he ever does leave. The Lakers aren't Shaq's team, it isn't Phil's team, and its not even Kobe's team. This is Buss' team and he's the one who really calls the shots.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone realize this whole thread came off the hype of a couple of games? People are annointing this guy the King of Los angeles already over Shaq and that is plain wrong. Sure Kobe wins the games in the 4th quarter but who brings them to that point in the first place....Shaq</div>

See, this is where you are wrong. What are you trying to say? Kobe wins it in the 4th, but it's all Shaq in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters? LOL, your a joke for making a comment like that.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What does Kobe have to prove? More than 4 good games for me.</div>

Are you forgetting everything Kobe has accomplished in his career? If I didn't know anything about basketball, I would assume you were saying that statement about LeBron James 4 games into the season.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another question....If all the Laker fans have a choice, who would they keep on the team to win a championship? Kobe or Shaq? Is it that tough of a question?</div>

Kobe, what kind of question is that? Shaq has 2-3 more years left in him of dominance. Get Kobe another All-Star calibur player with a couple other good role players, and you've got a shot for a Championship. That is no kind of comparasion at all, Kobe is the future of this team, he needs to get signed, period. Yes, we have to get Shaq signed as well, I can't immagine seeing him go in a lack of the Lakers re-signing him and that would be a horrible call on the organization, hopefully he'll retire a Laker as well.

And AllNet, don't get it twisted, you know were all about the championships. But it gets annoying every year "Kobe is just a piece of the Laker success, Shaq does everything, etc..." Ya know.