How We Forget So Quickly..Kobe Is STILL The Man.[Approved]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">And I say that the Lakers DO have a chance if Kobe leaves. This is getting tired saying the same sht all the time. My point is that Shaq is still the man in LA and will be for this year and the next. Put Ray Allen or even Desmond Mason in Kobes position and he would win a title. REally am I the one not reading? Get a life.</div>

The Lakers still have a chance to win without Kobe? I suggest you go to your USER CP and erase that one of your two favorite teams is the Los Angeles Lakers. Do you realize how important Kobe is to this franchise? Do you understand how important Kobe is to bring another championship to the city of Los Angeles? Shaq can't do it alone. Yes, I agree Shaq is the man, however with all the injuries he's sustaining, he won't be the man anymore. Kobe is now on the rise, that's all Purple N Gold is saying. Kobe is younger, he's only 25 years old, and he has many many years to go before he retires. I gurantee you Kobe will not be the #2 option very soon.




<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">And I'm gonna state a fact that he won't keep this up, and he won't be a contender for the MVP. Do I need to go to school to know that? Maybe I just need a moderate basketball IQ to realize that. Or maybe I just don't have to be a Kobe dickrider to understand that. Keep hoping against hope buddy. BTW I'm not a Kobe disser, I like the way he plays, I'm just being real, you keep on bringing up tired sht which I have to put down like a bad dog.</div>

Kobe will keep this offesnive streaks up. He knows that he holds the keys if the Lakers want to return to the Finals, so he's doing everything he can to be sure his team will be in the Finals. He might not keep up his 35-40 point streak, but I will tell you this: Kobe will be the main guy that'll keep his team in competition throughout the rest of the remainder of the season and into the playoffs. And he'll do enough scoring to make sure his team will end up in the Finals. You say you're not a Kobe disser, but you actually have the nerve to call yourself a Laker fan with your twisted knowledge. Amazing.

 

Who is this COURTVISION character claiming to be a laker fan? ive been a laker fan for many many years and i live in los angeles, and believe me, ALL OF US HERE IN CALIFORNIA KNOW 100% that kobe is the MAN in LA...just a reminder, you live in canada, go jump on the vince carter bandwagon, and stop calling us kobe fans dick suckers...just cause the guy doesnt play for your team and hes better then your fav player doesnt mean you have to start talking smack.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">Who is this COURTVISION character claiming to be a laker fan? ive been a laker fan for many many years and i live in los angeles, and believe me, ALL OF US HERE IN CALIFORNIA KNOW 100% that kobe is the MAN in LA...just a reminder, you live in canada, go jump on the vince carter bandwagon, and stop calling us kobe fans dick suckers...just cause the guy doesnt play for your team and hes better then your fav player doesnt mean you have to start talking smack.</div>

Calm down, that's very harsh stuff right there. CourtVision is one of the better and unbias posters here, he has just what his name says, valuable insight. I agree with you that Kobe is the man however. Just think of it though, your team relies too heavily on having it's stars who "need" possession of the ball. Kobe's D is back, look at how well he stole at the ASG. Just try to be a little more understanding and lenient, we're all friends here.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Calm down, that's very harsh stuff right there. CourtVision is one of the better and unbias posters here, he has just what his name says, valuable insight. I agree with you that Kobe is the man however. Just think of it though, your team relies too heavily on having it's stars who "need" possession of the ball. Kobe's D is back, look at how well he stole at the ASG. Just try to be a little more understanding and lenient, we're all friends here.</div>


unbias posters dont call kobe bryant fans "dick suckers" and claim themselves to be laker fans...no offense to this guy, but he needs to check some numbers before he makes stupid comments such as "kobe only plays the 4th quarter, while shaq does the rest". If i recall, kobe leads the team in scoring, he WILL lead his team in assists by the end of the season, freethrows attempted, assists to turnover ratio, steals, and the list goes on, and this is while hes been playing sub-par injured basketball the WHOLE SEASON..

even last season, after practically leading LA in almost every statistical category, he didnt get any love from people outside of california, its RIDICULOUS how good KOBE is and how UNDERRATED he still is....wow

 

<font color="Red">This is a very active thread...lets try and keep it clean fellas.</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">unbias posters dont call kobe bryant fans "dick suckers" and claim themselves to be laker fans...</div>

No they don't, uneducated people say that. (Good thing i'm new to these forums, still don't know which guys I like and dislike yet. o_o)

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">even last season, after practically leading LA in almost every statistical category, he didnt get any love from people outside of california, its RIDICULOUS how good KOBE is and how UNDERRATED he still is....wow</div>

I agree, it doesn't matter how many times Kobe proves himself, some people are just arrogant and ignorant.

Say what you want, this is MY OPINION, and I am entitled to it. I think Kobe Bryant has showed more dedication to the NBA then Shaq, and to say that Kobe doesn't care more about his team than Shaq is ridiculous. Those of you that actually know Kobe, this league and his team is a very emotional thing for him. (Notice I said his team, not Shaqs. Maybe i'm the one biased. )

 

look man, aside from kobe's personal life, which you know what, is none of our DAMN BUSINESS...(we all make mistakes, so be it), im going to lay it down for everyone who already doesnt know this.

just like Kobe Krazy said, no one in recent years, has shown more dedication, more love, more heart, more athleticism, excitement, and joy for the game of basketball then kobe bryant. I hate having to hear that Kobe was punished and considered a big mouth for criticized shaqs unprofessional work ethic on espn, when the laker orgnization do nothing about Shaq opening his big mouth constantly and making ill advised comments. I like shaq, but sometimes, he needs to shut up and play.

How many players have their been in recent years that were dubbed the next "jordan" but didnt seem to produce the same as his greatness? PLENTY, even harold miner. Kobe is probably the only player in the league today that has the same heart, same mindframe, and practically same game as mj. Its easy to immitate the man, but its nearly impossible to perfect him (which is what kobe has done).

so so so so underrated man, he should easily, EASILY be recognized as the Best player in the world...but since all the haters out there want to give EXCUSES on why he supposedly isnt so great, that wont happen anytime soon.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">look man, aside from kobe's personal life, which you know what, is none of our DAMN BUSINESS...(we all make mistakes, so be it), im going to lay it down for everyone who already doesnt know this.

just like Kobe Krazy said, no one in recent years, has shown more dedication, more love, more heart, more athleticism, excitement, and joy for the game of basketball then kobe bryant. I hate having to hear that Kobe was punished and considered a big mouth for criticized shaqs unprofessional work ethic on espn, when the laker orgnization do nothing about Shaq opening his big mouth constantly and making ill advised comments. I like shaq, but sometimes, he needs to shut up and play.

How many players have their been in recent years that were dubbed the next "jordan" but didnt seem to produce the same as his greatness? PLENTY, even harold miner. Kobe is probably the only player in the league today that has the same heart, same mindframe, and practically same game as mj. Its easy to immitate the man, but its nearly impossible to perfect him (which is what kobe has done).

so so so so underrated man, he should easily, EASILY be recognized as the Best player in the world...but since all the haters out there want to give EXCUSES on why he supposedly isnt so great, that wont happen anytime soon.</div>

Agreed, but Kobe has said over and over himself that he does not want to be 'the next Jordan', he just wants to be 'Kobe'.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe Krazy:</div><div class="quote_post">Agreed, but Kobe has said over and over himself that he does not want to be 'the next Jordan', he just wants to be 'Kobe'.</div>


true, but believe me, having that label doesnt hurt, and im sure kobe takes it into great consideration. I mean how many players can besides kobe have acctually lived up to those expectations?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">true, but believe me, having that label doesnt hurt, and im sure kobe takes it into great consideration. I mean how many players can besides kobe have acctually lived up to those expectations?</div>

Not many... and Kobe is, after all, still only 25. I think he's good enough to end up being better then Jordan, (Go ahead and flame me, everybody. Jordan was prolly the best we have seen... yet, but he still wasn't perfect.) it all depends on what decisions Kobe makes from here.

Kobe already has a record of 9 consecutive three pointers, Jordans best was 6. Kobe even went as far as 12-18. I still remember watching that game, against Seattle, last year... my Dad whom loathes Kobe was just like, "Wow... damn... that guy is good."

hell yes he is good.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe Krazy:</div><div class="quote_post">Not many... and Kobe is, after all, still only 25. I think he's good enough to end up being better then Jordan, (Go ahead and flame me, everybody. Jordan was prolly the best we have seen... yet, but he still wasn't perfect.) it all depends on what decisions Kobe makes from here.

Kobe already has a record of 9 consecutive three pointers, Jordans best was 6. Kobe even went as far as 12-18. I still remember watching that game, against Seattle, last year... my Dad whom loathes Kobe was just like, "Wow... damn... that guy is good."

hell yes he is good. </div>


one thing that kobe lacks is the big hands that jordan had...kobe has small hands, he cant grip the ball as well as jordan did. Jordan would palm the hell out of the ball. Kobe cannot palm it as well.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">one thing that kobe lacks is the big hands that jordan had...kobe has small hands, he cant grip the ball as well as jordan did. Jordan would palm the hell out of the ball. Kobe cannot palm it as well.</div>

So true, but I give him credit for how well he palms the ball with those hands. I have sorta small hands, I mean, they aren't huge hands like some people I know... and I manage to palm a basketball with my right and left hand, and with my right hand I can palm a basketball off of a dribble. Not too bad. ;p

Anyhow, the point... I feel special being able to relate to Kobe. Yay.

Edit: Sorry i've been taking over these forums, its web design class and I know more then my teacher ... so I just browse these forums online for 45 mins.

 

Like krazygreen and kobe krazy said, he does have the most heart and dedication to his team than anyone in the league. That can't hurt if everyone's arguing about who's team this is. Shaq still is the main man for our offense and he does make a difference in how far we go in the playoffs, but just from what Kobe has done for us over the years does give him the edge. After reading that article about Shaq now criticizing our GM, I can't help but be amazed on how immature this guy is. He always has to lash out on someone if he doesn't get what he wants, and he still does it in a childish manner. Kobe has been the only one who has stepped up for himself over the years, but every dispute starts from Shaq. Mitch isn't the one wrong on not wanting to give Shaq a MAX contract extention that kicks in years from now, that's a killer to your cap room. Shaq WON'T be worth MAX dollars when it kicks in, I'll tell you that much.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">And I say that the Lakers DO have a chance if Kobe leaves. This is getting tired saying the same sht all the time. My point is that Shaq is still the man in LA and will be for this year and the next. Put Ray Allen or even Desmond Mason in Kobes position and he would win a title. REally am I the one not reading? Get a life.</div>

Hell no, only other guard in the league could fill the big shoes of Kobe, except Tracy McGrady, and that's it. Ray Allen is one thing, but Demond Mason? LMAO!!! Thats hilarious man!


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I'm gonna state a fact that he won't keep this up, and he won't be a contender for the MVP. Do I need to go to school to know that? Maybe I just need a moderate basketball IQ to realize that. Or maybe I just don't have to be a Kobe dickrider to understand that. Keep hoping against hope buddy. BTW I'm not a Kobe disser, I like the way he plays, I'm just being real, you keep on bringing up tired sht which I have to put down like a bad dog.</div>

Well that's what you think, I think he will keep it up, it's your opinion, can't argue against that. Not 33-6-7 type plau, but it will be something around there, and he will be the guy to lead us to the Finals, my prediction.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why can't I agree with Shapecity on that? It does make sense doesn't it. I'm guessing you haven't been watching the playoffs at all to know what works and what doesn't. Shaqs inside presence WILL lead the Lakers in the playoffs to the finals. Kobe will help and be a big part of the playoff run but Shaq is the centrepiece of the whole deal. Your prediction sounds good but I know what works, especially in the playoffs. </div>

Shaq will be the key part, but Kobe will be the one carrying us down the stretch of games, like he has been lately. I'm predicting some playoff stats around 33-7-7 from Kobe, mark my words. You could be right, like usually Shaq could be the man in the playoffs, but my prediction is that it won't be this year. Kobe will take over in the playoffs, he will be the one there to hit the clutch shots, and keeping us in games when Shaq struggles or is in foul trouble.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Everything you are saying is Kobe this and Kobe that. I can agree with most of that. But you still fail to see that Shaq is the man that makes this whole thing possible to make it to the finals. I have been watching basketball since the beginning of the season so I'm not basing my sht on last year either or the year before. I'm just not dickriding Kobe thats all, and its probably GETTING UNDER YOUR SKIN LOL </div>

LOL, I've been a Laker fan for 14 years, I know what it takes and who needs to step up when it's needed the most. You can say Shaq is the man that makes this whole thing possible, but I can say the same for Kobe as well. You can see it in Kobe's eyes, that he wants to be the MAN this year and get the respect he finally deserves for leading the Lakers to the finals. Shaq will be the key to success, getting his usual 25-30 points, 10-15 rebounds, and 2 or 3 blocks. But down the stretch of games, that ball is going to Kobe, believe it. 4 out of our last 5 victores have been close, and when the ball is in Kobe's hands, he's came through every time, he'll be the man getting the ball in the 4th quarter, hitting the clutch shots to keep us in games as usual.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I couldn't have said it better myself</div>

Actually, you are horrible. I cannot believe you said you could replace Kobe with a Desmond Mason type player, and the Lakers would win the finals. That shows enough for your limited basketball knowledge. Man, I'm gonna be crackin up on that one all night. And you have the nerve to say we "discredit" Shaq. LMAO.

Oh year, and do yourself a favor, please don't answer back to my posts, it will save you the embarassment. Desmond Mason can replace Kobe, right? I'm dead serious too, your making yourself look worst and worst by every post.

I know your for sure a bandwagon now, %100. No REAL Laker fan would EVER say a Desmond Mason type player could replace Kobe and the Lakers would still have a shot at winning it all.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">And I say that the Lakers DO have a chance if Kobe leaves. This is getting tired saying the same sht all the time. My point is that Shaq is still the man in LA and will be for this year and the next. Put Ray Allen or even Desmond Mason in Kobes position and he would win a title. REally am I the one not reading? Get a life.
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I'd have to agree with PNG on that, dumb statement. The Lakers didn't even make it to the western confrence finals last year with Kobe, and they're a contender for a title with Ray Allen or even.... Desmond Mason? Yeah that's likely... and what's with the "get a life" thing to him, you guys have been at it the last two days back and forth saying the same stuff, if he needs to "get a life" you do too.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd have to agree with PNG on that, dumb statement. The Lakers didn't even make it to the western confrence finals last year with Kobe, and they're a contender for a title with Ray Allen or even.... Desmond Mason? Yeah that's likely... and what's with the "get a life" thing to him, you guys have been at it the last two days back and forth saying the same stuff, if he needs to "get a life" you do too.</div>

I love it when people use that as an insult, online. "Get a life"

Honestly, how much does Court know about PNG? One of them could be a 35 year old college drop out living in their Moms Garage while the other is a successful business owner.

That's a weak insult man, and you are starting to embarrass yourself... you saying Desmond Mason could replace Kobe is sad. Really sad.

 

Oh gawd. Just scroll back and the personal insults are goin back and forth. I'm not sayin Desmond can replace Kobe, I'm sayin with Shaq, Payton, Malone and ______ (put in your talented shooting guard) they could still win a title. Meaning that Shaq is the centre piece. Have an open mind for once.

Which is the point I have been stating that people can't swallow. For others to be jumping in on this in the middle: Read up on the conversation.

And if PNG does need to get a life then I do too continuing this stupid sht.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh gawd. Just scroll back and the personal insults are goin back and forth. I'm not sayin Desmond can replace Kobe, I'm sayin with Shaq, Payton, Malone and ______ (put in your talented shooting guard) they could still win a title. Meaning that Shaq is the centre piece. Have an open mind for once.

Which is the point I have been stating that people can't swallow. For others to be jumping in on this in the middle: Read up on the conversation.

And if PNG does need to get a life then I do too continuing this stupid sht.</div>

Please, I'm sure no one would want to read 3 pages of your nonsense.

And I know what you meant, Shaq-Malone-Fox-Mason-Payton would never win a championship. Dream on, Kings and the T-Wolves would murder that lineup, Dallas and San Antonio may even jump on in and the fun as well. That's a type of lineup if healthy that will get them into the playoffs for sure, but in the playoffs Lakers will need that other scorer, to lift them over the top. GP shooting wise is too inconsistent, and at Malone's age he doesn't have talent to put up 25-30 points for a whole playoff series anymore. Ray Allen, MAYBE. That is still a stretch, especially because his poor efforts on defense. Only other guard in the league that would fit in right chemistry wise, and replace Kobe with the same type of game, is T-Mac. He would be the man that LA would have the most realistic chance of winning it all. Your trippin hard.

 

I'm not trippin hard, I'm am just holding on to the fact that Shaq is the key makes this thing go and allows them to go to the finals. The team is built around Shaq and it will stay that way for the next few years.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not trippin hard, I'm am just holding on to the fact that Shaq is the key makes this thing go and allows them to go to the finals. The team is built around Shaq and it will stay that way for the next few years.</div>

How are you so sure on that? This can easily be Kobe's team by the end of the year, or even next year. Yes, Shaq is still the man and is the key that makes this team go to the finals, but my prediction is that it's Kobe's turn this year. It's his time to take over, as I have mentioned in my other posts. You didn't have to prove your point by throwing a player like Desmond Mason in.