I am hearing a lot of people complaining about myself being "too controlling" in this forum. I would like to hear some examples because unlike many other, I can take criticism. The only thing that I can come up with is when me or another mod merges a topic that someone starts with a topic that is already being talked about. This is to keep things clean and easier to read people, for everyone, if someone can't understand that, well, they can be mad then. I also suggest that people read over our site guidelines before putting up another post. Here I admit, we don't have a lot of freedom that you may be a custom to, that is because we want to have the highest quality of Cavs talk on the internet, with that quality, the numbers will come. If you guys have any questions or problems with me, please speak up, let's make this a better place for us all, I am willing to learn from my mistakes if indeed I find them. KJ
I myself feel that censorship is not the way to make a message board better. If someone wants to start a thread, let them start one! If it is redundant and unnecessary, then nobody will post under it. Even if they do, so what? What's the big deal about having one thread about Z, and another about his defense? A message board is only as strong as its members, and if we don't feel like we can be a part of this site without censorship, or editing, or post moving, then we will leave! Bottom line! There are just too many other options out there for us to put up with that type of controlling moderation. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one here that feels that way. I know you have good intentions KJ, and we all know the great things you've done for this forum. Just don't let all your work go to waste because of a few posts that are out of order, or a thread that in "your mind" doesn't belong there. People should be entitled to their own opinions, and those opinions should be embraced by a moderator that wants to be a quality board! As far as you learning from your mistakes if indeed you "find them": If it was just me saying this, I might think it was just personal. It's quite a few members KJ, quality members, who think the level of control needs to be turned down a bit. Nobody likes an unmoderated board, but we don't need the extreme opposite either.
Also, I've got to give you props for starting this thread. It takes a big man to ask for criticism. Not too many members would like to hear other people talk smack about them. I give you alotta credit KJ.
^I suggest you read the guidelines about double posting too, you should be well aware of that. You can add more to your post by clicking on the "Edit" tab. Anyway... Back to the topic, if someone wants to start a topic just to have their name show as the topic starter, that is pretty juvenile. I know you hate unmoderated boards, but when you have one that is moderated you have to have a system in place (guidelines) and they must be backed up. I do nothing that is against our guidelines and I do not abuse my power. If someone is against guidelines I suggest that they just leave now and head back to the ESPN's of the world. Just remember people, I am only enforcing the guidelines that your "agreed" to when you joined.
Well first off..censorship is a moot point. I don't consider what we do as censorship at all. Do we censor opinions? No,and that,IMO is what censorship is. We can't have people runnin' around doin' what they want or else it would be the second coming of the ESPN forums. You have to look at it objectively. We have alot of young kids here and havin' said that we need to limit the swear words to a bare minimum. We have to edit personal attacks where we find them to keep this place from spiralling into chaos and the whole argument about moving threads..what is that all about? Why is that a problem? You should be free to start a Kobe thread in the Spurs forum? You should be free to start a Spurs thread in the Kings forum? You should be free to start a thread about high school in the NBA Forum? The guidelines are in place to keep this board peaceful,running smoothly and to keep it a good place to talk basketball..if not and if these weren't enforced it would be no better than a 1000 other dead boards. You can't come down on KJ for this or speak out against it because he(as well as alot of moderators go out of their way to make this a good place to talk basketball,if it bothers you then ESPN is your ideal place. Anyways,I think you do a great job KJ cuz Lord knows it ain't easy.
Put it this way guys If we at Justbball decided to let everyone do whatever they pleased, post several topics about the same subject, double, triple post, insult other users, post troll like posts It would make the board look like a complete joke If we decided to make these boards without mods, then these are the kind of topics you might find in this forum alone "Lebron sucks" "He choked" "Melo > Lebron" "HHAHAHA YOU SUCK" "Big Z is worthless he is too slow" "NEWBIE SUCKS, TRADE HIS ASS" Those are the kind comments that could appear on here which makes the boards look bad and unprofessional. The Cavs board has become so good thanks to the pure quality of posts this forum gets. Wether It's about articles, previews or disussing the games play by play. All you have to do is take a look at the Raptors forum and see the difference in quality. Thats what Justbball should be about Quality posts talking about the team they love. We are starting to get to that level which was targeted from the beginning.
People just get pissed off because they don't like being corrected. If this place wasn't moderated, it'd be like ESPN all over again. This site has guidelines that are by no means unreasonable, yet people continue to not adhere to them. When they don't, mods step in and clean things up. If you don't like a mod constantly dropping the hammer on your posts, then start posting according to the guidelines. Its not a hard concept. Almost everyone that showed up here said they were unhappy with their last posting place because it was chaotic and there was no order. Now, when there is order they say the mods are controlling. I have yet to see King James step out of line in here and do something that was unethical. If he did, I wouldn't hesitate to confront him and speak with him about it.
It is hard indeed, that's why redscoon was named 2nd mod of this forum. I don't put myself ahead of anybody here, I always look at it as "our board", "our forum". If the majority rules that I am doing a bad job at this, I have no problems doing what I have to do to change it, I want to keep you guys happy, but really, how many people here actually read ove rthe guidelines for me? I see double posts, people just posting to raise their post count (not sure why, does not earn them anything) and people starting topics that are already being talked about. The topic thing is lame to because if someone starts a topic about Z and his defense, you actually thing it will stay that way? It would not be very long before we have the same things being said in both threads. "Help me help you" That is what this about fellas. I am not here to shut you guys down every time, I am here to talk basketball with you guys while keeping some type of an order that will make it easier for others to read.
Personally.... I think King James and red are doing fantastic jobs here on the board. If you have a problem with some simple moderating (like combining two posts into one or deleting garbage threads) then head to ESPN.com and deal with the 50000 trolls that post "LeBron sux!" threads every single day. That is all!
They want the freedom without the trolls. Can't have both of that fellas, just can't. The guidelines keep thr trolls and trouble makers out. I know it will take some time for everyone to get used to, but in time I believe you will be fine, I love having you guys here, so let's work with one another. Thanks for the support fellas.
I just want to say that without King James here as mod, this board would be just shit up at the internet, it's a reason why this board have over 7000 more or less serous post, and his name is King James! King James, you're doing a hell of a job for this board, and without you, I don't know how it would be, but I wouldn't liked to be here then!
Ok, here is my opinion. KJ, your a great mod no doubt about it. The board is real cleaned up, very organized and your one hell of a friend when someone needs something. I don't really disagree with post moving for it needs to be done. But the fact is, lately this board just blew up out of no where. I really doubt everyone (including myself) shuffles threw the pages to see if their thread is already talked about. Alot of new comers come in and post what they feel think's is needed to be discussed. And when you move their thread in a month old thread, it gets frustrating to see. People on this board are Cavs fans, not analysts. We would like to talk basketball here and not study the entire board before we make a move on a subject that we are thinking to post about. I see that threads are titled with just "Zydrunas Ilgauskas" or "Jason Kapono" making it a thread to themselves. But in due time the threads will get old and being sick of looked at. No one wants to shuffle through 8 pages about Zyrunas Ilgauskas. I see numorous LeBron threads, why can't their be numorous Z threads? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If we decided to make these boards without mods, then these are the kind of topics you might find in this forum alone "Lebron sucks" "He choked" "Melo > Lebron" "HHAHAHA YOU SUCK" "Big Z is worthless he is too slow" "NEWBIE SUCKS, TRADE HIS ASS"</div> Im pretty damn sure we are intellegent enough to know that we shouldn't start a thread with those subjects. JBB is full of great posters and I doubt something like that would happen upon our board. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It is hard indeed, that's why redscoon was named 2nd mod of this forum.</div> I never congradulated you on your promotion to mod red. Congrats. Anyway, the fact of the matter is this. Posters from ESPN and Gundarena.com are very down to earth (fans). We like to talk about basketball as much as you all do. If a subject hasn't been talked about in a month and it is brought back up. How about directing a link to the old thread to get them the answers they are looking for. And if any rookies or starters that havent seen the thread before, then they can post up new opionions. KJ keep up the good work, I still think that you are the man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Im pretty damn sure we are intellegent enough to know we are not a about like that and would definatly not start a thread with those subjects. JBB is full of great posters and I doubt something like that would happen upon our board.</div> You didn't get what I meant All the Cavs fans here are good posters but if we allowed these forums to be un-moderated then we would get trolls sign up and post garbage like I stated above, you would be surprised how the quality rises when message boards are looked after the right way.
Your right, they are numbous of trolls but they get the boot right away or get flammed off the board. KJ even admitted that he likes to keep a troll or two to flame away on them until they get frustrated for fun. It's the forum life, it happens. And it's entertaining. But the subject on hand isn't about trolls, it's about how KJ is doing his job.
Well redscoon also agrees with me 100%, same for the other moderators. The key is just to not be so stubborn, the topics I moved together were not very different at all people, they were the same topic. If they were different I would have left them alone.
I know it will take them some time to get used to this, they want the freedom without the trolls. But I don't want the same topics being talked about in 4/5 different places. I want to make this as easy as I can for everybody to read. Ha, how many times have you asked me where a post was Infante only to find it somehere else yourself. We will be fine, I know it.
I'm a veteran of the ESPN board. And having a board that is closely moderated is a blessing to me. There is nothing worse than logging on to a message board and you have to sit there for a half an hour to sift through the garbage just to get to a thread that you WANT to read. Not too mention, it's great to have every reply in the same thread. It makes it a hell of a lot easier to keep up with the conversation. The junk that is on the ESPN board everyday gets old REAL fast. It never stops, and is far from controled. If you don't see a thread started of something you want to discuss. It's our own responsibility to go back and see if there was one started on a previous page. people do that all the time on the ESPN board. Just because they don't see something on the 1st page, they think no one has posted it. It makes for a lot of board clutter, and some really good topics get lost in the shuffle. Ok, there. That's my $.02.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">I know it will take them some time to get used to this, they want the freedom without the trolls. But I don't want the same topics being talked about in 4/5 different places. I want to make this as easy as I can for everybody to read. Ha, how many times have you asked me where a post was Infante only to find it somehere else yourself. We will be fine, I know it.</div> The merge thread function is your friend.
