T-Mac thinks Lebron doesn't deserve ROY (article)

IMO, Neither Bron, Wade, or Melo are good defenders, but I wouldn't necessarily say Bron is a better defender. I don't really see how you can say Wade or Bron are better than Melo. Just because they get more assists is a pretty weak arguement.

 

Hmmm... assists is important to, you just say it's not because Bron and Wade got more of it than Melo.

 

Wade almost had the triple double this afternoon.

He got the 17 points, he barely missed out with 9 rebounds, but he did hand out 10 turnovers.

Its LeBron 1st, Melo 2nd, and Wade 3rd.

 

Dwayne Wade is a great rookie, but he is no Melo or Bron. To me stats dont mean anything, because anyone can score a lot of points if they take enough shots. ( Ricky Davis averaged 23 last year). Both Bron and Melo are good players but Melo draws defensive attention to him, he is always getting double teamed, while Bron doesnt get as many double teams cause his game isnt as developed. Melo isnt scared to mix it up by going in the paint and working down there, Lebron needs to learn how to play with his back to the basket. One thing Bron has over Melo besids athletic ability is court vision and WILLINGNESS to pass, Melo should give up the ball more. But in the end I have to look at it like this. Melo is playing in the toughest Division in the league , and he has his team playing over 500 basketball while Bron is playing in the LEASTERN confrence and his team is well under 500. I also think that Bon has a better supporting cast . I would take Ilgauskas, Boozer, and J-Mac oer Dre Miller, Nene and Boykins anyday. So I have to give Melo the ROY award. But being runner up to Melo is nothing to be ashamed of. Both players are going to be great and will own the league for the next 10 years. Everyone talks about Brons youth but Melo is 19 years old as well. He is only 5 months older.

I think T-Mac said that Melo was better is cuz, last week when he got tossed out of the game , Melo was lighting the Magic up,and ended up with 35 in a losing effort to Tracy's 15. I think Tracy loves both Melo and Bron , anytime people ask him about Bron he always says " man they are unbelievable, especially Lebron for what he is doing at suck a young age. I have neverseen anything like him, if he keeps this up it will be scary"

I think you guys are reading too much into this comment. Tracy and Bron are great freinds. It was just an honest assessment by Tracy and thats it. A lot of people would say Bron is the ROY. Its just his honest opinion.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post">I also think that Bon has a better supporting cast . I would take Ilgauskas, Boozer, and J-Mac oer Dre Miller, Nene and Boykins anyday.</div>

I'm not sure you can say J-Mac is better than Miller. Miller looks like he has been reborn, rebounding from the Los Angeles days and playing like the old Miller before the slumping year. And Boykins off the bench does far more damage than Kevin Ollie, the Cavaliers back up point guard. Boozer and Ilgauskas are better than Nene now but if that changes in a few years, do not be shocked. One value Nene has over Boozer is that he can play PF and C, while Boozer can only play PF (because of height). Another plus Nene has is he is a much better defender than either Boozer or Big Z too. Denver has weapons you didn't mention too. White comes off the bench and scores double figures every game (like Boykins who does the same).

 

^ we ain't talking about who's better Ollie or Boykins, but if Ming would take Boozer, Big Z and McInnis or Miller, Nene and Boykins.

 

Give me Nene, Boykins, and Miller anyday.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DajuanWagner#2:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmmm... assists is important to, you just say it's not because Bron and Wade got more of it than Melo.</div>

1st off, Carmelo can create for other anyone that seen in play at cuse knows that. He use to creat easy opportunities for Warrick, Macnamra & the rest of that team all the time. You can easy see the difference between last year's orangemen team & this year's orangemen team is that Melo isnt their to draw attention & create easy shoots for their catch& shoot players. But in denver creating for others isnt Carmelo's role. He plays along side one of the best point guard in the league at creating opportunites for others. Melo's role is to be the finish for Andre Miller. Hence the low assist # compared to Bron & Wade. But the attention that Melo attracts on the offensive end leads to easy baskets for other Nuggets with him necessarily getting assist or making a pass, so he as as much to do with creating easy opportunities for teamates as does any other rookie out there.

And lets not forget that Lebron spent alot of the year as the cavs point guard. So as the point guard he had the ball in his hands for most of the 24 second clock . So off course his assist total is going to be higher than Carmelo's. The rookie of the year should go to which player is the best or has had the biggest impact on their team, not which player has better assist #. When they play 2 totally different roles on their teams.

Carmelo has brought a winning mindset to a Denver Nuggets team that had a identity since the Mutombo, Ellis era. When the Nuggets were known for their defense. Carmelo has given them a go to guy in big parts of the ball game. And a guy who attracts alot of attention which makes the game easier for everyone on the court. And he has done this all while playing in the best division, in the best conference in basketball. Yes the nuggets addeded on alot of parts to the team in the offseason, but Melo was key addition & is the center piece of a the team. And that is why imo he is the rookie of the year.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DajuanWagner#2:</div><div class="quote_post">^ we ain't talking about who's better Ollie or Boykins, but if Ming would take Boozer, Big Z and McInnis or Miller, Nene and Boykins.</div>

I see. I got that wrong. In that comparison, Cleveland wins out. But if you compare the rest of Denver's team, I think their cast is better. Their bench is definitely better to me. Maybe part of the reason why Silas is hesistant to go to his.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">1st off, Carmelo can create for other anyone that seen in play at cuse knows that. He use to creat easy opportunities for Warrick, Macnamra & the rest of that team all the time. You can easy see the difference between last year's orangemen team & this year's orangemen team is that Melo isnt their to draw attention & create easy shoots for their catch& shoot players. But in denver creating for others isnt Carmelo's role. He plays along side one of the best point guard in the league at creating opportunites for others. Melo's role is to be the finish for Andre Miller. Hence the low assist # compared to Bron & Wade. But the attention that Melo attracts on the offensive end leads to easy baskets for other Nuggets with him necessarily getting assist or making a pass, so he as as much to do with creating easy opportunities for teamates as does any other rookie out there.

And lets not forget that Lebron spent alot of the year as the cavs point guard. So as the point guard he had the ball in his hands for most of the 24 second clock . So off course his assist total is going to be higher than Carmelo's. The rookie of the year should go to which player is the best or has had the biggest impact on their team, not which player has better assist #. When they play 2 totally different roles on their teams.

Carmelo has brought a winning mindset to a Denver Nuggets team that had a identity since the Mutombo, Ellis era. When the Nuggets were known for their defense. Carmelo has given them a go to guy in big parts of the ball game. And a guy who attracts alot of attention which makes the game easier for everyone on the court. And he has done this all while playing in the best division, in the best conference in basketball. Yes the nuggets addeded on alot of parts to the team in the offseason, but Melo was key addition & is the center piece of a the team. And that is why imo he is the rookie of the year.</div>

0wned.

 

T-Mac says these things because he only cares about certain aspects of the game.

As for the supporting casts... I don't think you can say booz, Z, Mac, vs. Miller, Nene, boykins. Then you are leaving out Camby, Lenard, Chris Anderson, Barry, etc.

Sure we have a better center and power forward, but Nene and Camby are pretty good too.

Other than that, Melo has more help around him. The big thing is that his team has more shooters.

 

Wow, the last time I checked, Melo shot 39%. Now he's up to 42.4% to James 41.1%.
Still, both are like AI pct% but their bigger, gotta work on that. If any of the 2 won, it's fine with me.

 

Why has this thread turned into a whose better thread?

Anyway,I don't who wins it.It fine with me if they both won.
T-mac just say these things because the Cavs beat them last night.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting choppa22:</div><div class="quote_post">T-Mac is only sayin this stuff because the cavs have been gettin the better of the Magic and lebron has been playin well against the magic.I think another reason is T-mac is mad the rookie is leading his team to the play-offs and T-Mac isnt.</div>

I hope you know that the Cavaliers have better role players than Magic??

Carlos Boozer and Z Illugauskas......... and name the role players McGrady has?? Other than a injured limping Grant Hill thought LeBron has better stats than Melo, that doesnt prove how good a player is, what T-Mac did was to watch each of them play the game and than make a judgement

 

All I care about is in 15 years whose team has the most championships. Untill then, while their statistics remain similar, there's too many other factors to definitively say who is better or more valuable. I think the best thing you can say about both of them is that Denver fans would not trade 'Melo for 'Bron and Cleveland fans would not trade 'Bron for 'Melo and were all justified for thinking this. This rookie class is going to go down as a top 5 of all time when its all said and done. BTW, I do believe that Denver has a slightly better supprting cast and a coach who's system had already been in place for a year, where as the Cavs had a brand new coach and system and have undergone massive change both before and during the season.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">I would take all 3 rookies over McGrady, Bryany, and many other stars though. That tells you how damn good I think they are.</div>

King James....you would take those 3 rookies over McGrady and Kobe? Two players that are already at the top of their level and into their primes?You need to stop sippin' that gin and juice and get back into reality.

 

Court case not withstanding, I don't think I'd take any of them over Kobe; but as far as T-Mac, I don't know, he's obviously entering his prime but I think the fear is there that he maybe heir to Dominique's throne, and maybe 'Bron and 'Melo will develop into equal offensive players as McGrady, but have better leadership and intangibles. Of course, put T-mac on the LAkers instead of Kobe the past 4 years and he probably has 3 rings.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">King James....you would take those 3 rookies over McGrady and Kobe? Two players that are already at the top of their level and into their primes?You need to stop sippin' that gin and juice and get back into reality. </div>

KJ made a great point in saying this. you view kobe as a god and think he is the best player in the world. shoot i would take the top 3 rookies over any two players in the league,hands down.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">King James....you would take those 3 rookies over McGrady and Kobe? Two players that are already at the top of their level and into their primes?You need to stop sippin' that gin and juice and get back into reality. </div>

Whens the last time you seen 2 19 year olds play this good? Now, if you want to win now, your going to take Tmac and Kobe. You want to start building a team around players who are going to average better numbers than Kobe and Tmacs numbers now in about 3-5 years, I'll take Melo, Bron, or Wade anyday.

 

^he thinks kobe is a god he will always have a narrow outlook at things like this.