Is this even a debatable question? Of course Manning is the better QB. That doesn't make Brady a bad QB, hes very good in his own right. But there is no way that Brady is a better all-around QB than Manning. I really don't see how this can even be a debatable subject.
It reminds me of the devotion Eagles fans have for McNabb. Both McNabb and Brady are winners, but neither are great physical QB's. McNabb is inaccurate and Brady has above average arm strength and accuracy outside of the hash marks and beyond 25 yards. Watch how the Eagles and Pats fans scramble to respond to that.
Here's McNabb's Wide recievers before this year Torrence Small Charles Johnson Na Brown James Thrash Todd Pinkston Fred Mitchell James Thrash who was out starter last year, is a No 3 on the Redskins. Small, Johnson and Brown are not even in the league anymore. Pinkston is a servicable No 2 at best. This is the first year that McNabb has had certifiable weapons, and is it an accident that his completion percentage and the QB rating is up. Look at Manning, he has had Harrison with him every year he's been in the league. Manning is a good QB, but not better then McNabb. He turns the ball over way too much, and is incapable of making plays with his legs. As a QB you have to consider all the dimensions, not just accurancy, there is a lot more. And I feel like McNabb AND Brady are more complete QB's then Manning.
Quality of receiver has very little to do with accuracy. If you're saying that those receiver combined for a large part of his bad accuracy by dropping passes, I could see your arguement. But, I've seen McNabb play. It's just not the case.
Mcnabb has a way better arm than brady, or he would not have been taken 3rd pick in a draft. He has the tools to do it, he just has never gotten in done, if he keeps up the pace this season then repeats next he can move up into elite qb territory.
As I've said before, if McNabb improves his accuracy and takes his game to the next level, I'll be the first one to pat him on the back and say, "Wow, I was wrong. This guy is the real deal." But until then, he's overrated in my book. And yes, he does have a stronger arm then Brady, but Brady is a much smarter QB then McNabb.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think the point is that New England has a much better defense than Indy.</div> No the point is you have never seen brady with the likes of a Marvin harrison...</div> I thought you said your recievers were breaking out, becoming some of the best in the league, at least now you admit compared to the talented recievers in this league they are scrubs.</div> Givens is breaking out and will have a solid 1,000 yard season when its all said and done....and branch is hurt along with brown and johnson...so ya but like I said before I never said any of them were top 10 nor would I ever say they compared to the likes of Marvin Harrison but keep twisting and eventually your right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Is this even a debatable question? Of course Manning is the better QB. That doesn't make Brady a bad QB, hes very good in his own right. But there is no way that Brady is a better all-around QB than Manning. I really don't see how this can even be a debatable subject. </div> My debate was that SF basically said that Brady has little talent...not that he is better than Manning because he obviously isn't but when it comes to the clutch throw...or a big game he has had Mannings number because in the AFC championship last season at least two of those picks were just bone head plays by manning.
Hard to make a good play when recievers are getting raped down field 15 or 20 yards and refs arent calling it and you have to force the action.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>Watch how the Eagles and Pats fans scramble to respond to that. </div> Honestly SF, Who do you think you are? Really? What kind of comment is this? remeber its a message board for fun...not wise as comments.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>And I feel like McNabb AND Brady are more complete QB's then Manning.</div> What??? You got to be kidding me! Look, I really like Daunte Culpepper. So far this year, Culpepper has better numbers than Manning, but can you really say that he is better than Manning? Most starting QB's in this league are good QB's. Manning is far above the rest. Yes, he makes some mistakes, but remember he is basically the offensive coordinator for the team as well as the QB. He is not just a QB. Not only does Manning possess all the physical traits needed to be a good QB (mobility is not a required trait to be a HOF QB, just ask Marino), he has a better football mind than <u>any</u> QB in the league right now. In fact, he probably has a better football mind than a lot of offensive coordinators. Saying that Manning is the best QB in the league does not mean that McNabb and Brady are bad, just that he is better. The only argument that I can see in this case is that Brady has won 2 super bowls. McNabb has absolutely nothing on Manning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly SF, Who do you think you are? Really? What kind of comment is this? remeber its a message board for fun...not wise as comments.</div> Actually, it is for both. The basic rules of the forum are simple...don't be too much of an ass, and don't be offended when someone is being an ass. This is football we are talking about, not puppy dogs and rainbows. So, the rule applies as follows in this case: Steelerfan - Don't be too much of an ass Pats - Don't be offended by Steelerfan's ass-like comments. 'nough said.
Go figure.... wasn't expecting feelings to be hurt. Sorry Pats. Sorry Eags fans. I didn't say Brady had little talent, so don't put words in my mouth. I said he was above average with physical talent. I realize that must hurt hearing after winning two Super Bowls. But then again, my arguement had nothing to do with his success. Not really seeing the point of a pissing contest. As VF said before, there's no real arguement who had better phsycial skills.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>And I feel like McNabb AND Brady are more complete QB's then Manning.</div> What??? You got to be kidding me! Look, I really like Daunte Culpepper. So far this year, Culpepper has better numbers than Manning, but can you really say that he is better than Manning? Most starting QB's in this league are good QB's. Manning is far above the rest. Yes, he makes some mistakes, but remember he is basically the offensive coordinator for the team as well as the QB. He is not just a QB. Not only does Manning possess all the physical traits needed to be a good QB (mobility is not a required trait to be a HOF QB, just ask Marino), he has a better football mind than <u>any</u> QB in the league right now. In fact, he probably has a better football mind than a lot of offensive coordinators. Saying that Manning is the best QB in the league does not mean that McNabb and Brady are bad, just that he is better. The only argument that I can see in this case is that Brady has won 2 super bowls. McNabb has absolutely nothing on Manning.</div> I dont Agree that McNabb has nothing on Manning. McNAbb's ability to scramble is an important asset to him game. When a team has to play Mcnabb, the defensive players always in the back of their minds have to keep in mind that if all else fails McNabb will run, Manning does not have that ability. Look, I think Manning is a very good QB. But if I has my pick, I would choose both Brady or McNabb over him. There is an intangible that both of those players have, that I dont think Manning has Here's an example, when either McNabb or Brady make a mistake, they both smile about it, and let it go. Peyton stands there waving his hands all pissed off. I think that rubs off on the teammates the wrong way. That is also why when he has a bad game, it reall becomes a BAD game (i.e. AFC championship, 4 INT's). I personally just think that he's the guy that puts up the nice numbers, but when it comes to crunch time he just does not show up. Same could be said for McNabb, but keep in mind, in the Tampa game he was coming off a serious injury. And in the Carolina game, he got hurt in the first quarter. Injuries are a bad excuse, but they do work here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>Watch how the Eagles and Pats fans scramble to respond to that. </div> Honestly SF, Who do you think you are? Really? What kind of comment is this? remeber its a message board for fun...not wise as comments.</div> Someone needs to explain to me the actual offensiveness of this comment. I'm not so sure I get it. Bottom line is that when anyone is critical of McNabb or Brady, there's a big rush to defend them. Whether it is justified or not. My comments about Brady's skills are justifiable. Not meant to make anyone sad or pissed off, but my analysis of Brady's Physical Abilities. No one can argue with McNabb's or Brady's abilities to win games. I don't think anyone has even made the point. This all started with my rivalry comment that I hate losing to New England. Brady plays so well within his system that he's hard to beat. Of course I do remember, it was Bledsoe off of the bench in 2001, not Brady who won the AFC Championship game against the Steelers. We stiffled their offense that day and if we wouldn't have knocked Brady out of the game, the Pats would have had one ring, not two. I realize it's all piss and wind, but so is this thread. Getting upset isn't making your point any better.
I tell you what. Lets go back even farther then that. If the fumble in the Oakland game never gets overturned, they never even make it to the AFC championship game. And I will go to my grave thinking that it should have stayd as a fumble. To overturn a call you need to have more evidence then that.
Hey, I refuse to go their. The circle just gets ugly at that point. Besides, this conversation all started about rivalries and that fumble had nothing to do with my feelings on our rivalry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2004)</div><div class='quotemain'>As I've said before, if McNabb improves his accuracy and takes his game to the next level, I'll be the first one to pat him on the back and say, "Wow, I was wrong. This guy is the real deal." But until then, he's overrated in my book. And yes, he does have a stronger arm then Brady, but Brady is a much smarter QB then McNabb.</div> his accuracy ghas improved, and his reievers are catching the ball. i dont see how brady is smarter... maybe in some instances, but Mcnabb runs when no ones open... i dont see brady running the ball that much
Running is a nice aspect to his game. However, Manning would read coverage correctly and audible so that he would have a reciever open and not have to scramble, TD colts, 1st down eagles, you decide.
