You call this quality? bahaha Anyway, let's not get this off topic, as I know you are a fan of that. Why do they lose? Team has been nailed with injuries and their star player plays with a lack of aggression. Rod Strickland is a savior right now, because without his play and attitude, the boat would be sinking even faster. PS: Don't get personal man, you don't want to go there. We have a great staff here and I will defend them to the death.
I'm stating the facts, not getting personal. Its one thing to say that the Forum has a stigma but another when moderators actually say it and encourage it. That is wrong in itself from a moderator. You just said that the Raps lose because of their fans and now you change your tune saying injuries and blah blah blah. Right buddy. If I'm a fan of getting off-topic then you are just as guilty as me but when you start to even try and insult what you call so-called pathetic Raptors fans then you shouldn't go there because I WILL DEFEND (most of them) them to the death. Its great that its coming from the marketing director of JBB as well, great professionalism
Well I could have done many things just because I don't like you, but I figured this would be more fun. Now if this is nothing personal like you agreed with, then you should be fine with me saying that. We know why the Raps are losing, but looking to put a blame on someone? Even other Raps fans did not like that concept and it deserved criticism. Keep up this attitude across the site, and I'll have to act as a moderator.
You have to use your powers around JBB to act on me and get back at me when you doing the same things? Great way to abuse your powers here. I'm stating the facts about what is said about this site and if you have to act as a moderator to somehow reprimand me in some way then go ahead and abuse your power. Keep my attitude? Can't back up your words so you have to threaten me with that statement? If you call the fans pathetic, can I call you pathetic? There were actual threads started with moderators insulting the Raptors. If you prove to me that this site wasn't insulted, or hasn't been mentioned about being weak in the past by other moderators then do what you have to with my account. I would not want to be a part of something thats so hypocritical in the first place. Its funny how I can't take anything personal when you insult the fans on this site. Maybe I should just get the site controller to monitor this thread as well. Plain and simple, you called Raptors fans pathetic, who should be the one to be reprimanded? In this thread it was said already that there is noone to blame and maybe you should have directed your comment at the thread poster rather than all of the Raptors fans in general.
Man, you are something else. I was talking about the fans that put these high expectations on this team, not ALL the fans (and you tell me to read something) You took everything way too far, but then again, you are usually good for that. And it is spelled "no one" not "noone" I'm outta here man, you have fun now.
CourtVision chill, King James just sayin this cause he can't stand all the idiotic Raptors fans.(not you, I dont think) He does come off pretty harsh cause of that. So just know when he comes to this thread, he's lookin to blast lotta you guys in general... don't take it to heart. This is no myth tho, it's a fact. Remember how I said Raps got the best fans in the L? One of the reason for that is lotta them are really really ignorant. Also lotta Vince fans have the tendency to just STRAIGHTUP stick up for him regardless of what, and never criticize him ever, that annoyed me too. I don't remember nobody sayin Vince was better than MJ... but I did read some dumb other sh!ts from this thread before, that's fo sure.
The funniest thing i've ever seen was when I was reading a froum at the sportsnet site and these topics saying stuff like "Vince is the best player in the L!" Dumb fans. I think it's our Injuries, when Jalen gets his shot back we'll be killin teams.. PG-Rod SG-Jalen SF-Vince PF-Marshall C-Bosh Main bench players: Mo Pete Alvin Milt Curry Moiso and as much as I hate to say it....Archibald.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Skip:</div><div class="quote_post">you know what... on second thought, let's blame the guy who started this dumbass ignorant thread.</div> yeah, why not?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">I know who to blame.... The Fans. For always expecting too much from this team, like some have been quoted saying that Vince is better than MJ. Pathetic.</div> I disagree, there are some fans who do expect too much from this team, but a playoff seed in the east isn't a high expectation, especially when in 2001 they made it to the 7th game of the second round in the playoffs with a group that is less talented that todays squad (with the exception of Vince). To achieve and 8th spot in the east is not hard to do, and with a group of players like Jalen Rose, Vince Carter, and Donyell Marshall - all who have been in the league over 5 years and have had fairly decent careers, those expectations are not high at all. The reason Raptor fans expect a playoff spot is because its been done before, three times in fact, and two seasons ago they made it without Vince Carter for a large portion of the season (when they played Detriot and forced the series to 5 games), so blaming the fans is ridiculous. By the way, not once have I ever heard a fan in this forum call Vince better than MJ, but I have certainly heard the whole media say that he was, and that was many years ago.
Yes many years ago like Carter's rookie year Carter was said to be as good as MJ or some what.... the only guy i'd see the closest to see as close to Jordon is Artest.... he has the Defense and Offense to be like Jordon.. or close to him.... and We shouldn't blame this on any one person like some1 said earlier.... they win as a team and they lose as a team no fingers to point
Yea I never heard anyone say that, but I know Vince said before he could be better than MJ, but we all say dum things. He also said I could be the best player in the league if I wanted too, but does he want to?. I dunno maybe if he started working more but not right now he doesn't. Really the closest guy that could be in the lines of Jordan's presence is Kobe, I know a lotta people hate him (I'm not really a fan either) but he's got he offense the determination and is a pretty good defender. But who really cares.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post"> Keep up this attitude across the site, and I'll have to act as a moderator.</div> acting like a mod would be a nice change. insulting posters and starting arguments is a direct violations of the terms and guidelines your supposed to be enforcing grow up
Wow, I think franchise 3 and some of the moderators scared some of you guys out there. There is no issue really, I just wanted to say that the Raps may end up coming out okay out of this hole and everybody deserves equal blame for what is going on right now. There is no dissension here, I just wanted basically for some people to throw the gauntlet down on Michael Curry and KO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hollagr8:</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny how CourtVision would have 'Impossible' as such a negative word in the dictionary of fools, but when you look at KO, he doesn't believe in this team by the way how he said it was going to be a struggle every single game down the stretch for the Raptors. Which is not a very motivating thing to say. Yes, the cliche says that the first people that normally are to blame are the coaches, but KO like og15 says really annoys me. Don't say we are doing okay, cuz we're not, they have to really have one of those meetings were the players get together and talk. KO should motivate, we don't accept the fact that he is a rookie head coach, that's no excuse, get in players faces, referees faces anything. Stop standing around drinking diet coke saying that this team will struggle and be realistic, we want a coach that makes it's players feel that they can overachieve, not someone that looks like he doesn't care. Fans should really look at this guy more carefully. We don't want excuses, we want wins. Find a way man. Understanding about a game can only lead to certain things. People need to overachieve and KO has not allowed anyone to do so. Oh yeah, what defence is this that I'm hearing about? In addition, KO wants to give us the kind of mentality that whatever he has is not good enough. C'mon man. When we had AD and JYD he said that we didn't have enough offense, when we have Rose and Marshall we didn't have enough big men. Stop complaining and do your job. Everything is always hard and tough for him. Every team has weaknesses but KO has to talk about theirs 24-7. Well, look now KO we're close to not making the playoffs you happy now. Everthing that you have said has manifested itself. You guys like to hold on to a sinking ship eh. He blames everything on what we don't have. How about what we have? On paper we look good, how about bringing that mentality to an actual game, motivate, not be a downer. We have problems fans it's all KO's fault.</div> I never heard KO say that every game down the stretch would be a struggle but shouldn?t it be obvious why he would say something like that. He?d say it because it?s called REALITY my friend. Our players were getting injured and teams were really starting to exploit our weaknesses so of course we?re going to have a tough time down the stretch. What would you rather him tell the team? You?d rather he say, ?Take it easy for the rest of the season guys. We have a sure playoff spot so you all can just chill out for now.? Of course not. He said every game would be a struggle because he doesn?t want his players to slack off and he wants them to prove him wrong. If you?re criticizing him for making a statement like then it?s obvious that you don?t know what it takes to be a coach. And about him not motivating and getting in players/referee?s faces, well I guess you don?t watch many Raptor games. We see him pestering refs and yelling at his players all the time. When the Raptors are on offense you can always hear the guy yelling ?penetrate, penetrate!? At the start of the season when we got our first taste of KO, reporters referred to him as ?the guy with a red face who never stops yelling?. In regards to him making excuses 24/7, well I?m also guessing that since you don?t watch many games, you wouldn?t know about his post-game comments. Well after every game, I usually read his comments on the internet and I don?t recall him making any excuses of that nature after a loss. He just usually gives credit to the opposing team for outmatching them and out-hustling them. And you say that even though it?s his rookie year, you can?t cut the guy some slack? Mistake me if I?m wrong, but isn?t Bosh a rookie too? He makes mistakes all the time and we tolerate them because it?s his first year. Why can?t we do the same for KO?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hollagr8:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, I think franchise 3 and some of the moderators scared some of you guys out there. There is no issue really, I just wanted to say that the Raps may end up coming out okay out of this hole and everybody deserves equal blame for what is going on right now. There is no dissension here, I just wanted basically for some people to throw the gauntlet down on Michael Curry and KO.</div> First you single out people to blame on the Raptors then you say everyone deserves equal blame. The lack of confidence for your own words prove that you're not thinking things through before you make a statement. Why can't you just admit you're wrong and we can all move on from here.
KO really is over-rated. What has he done that separates him from any other coach that would have taken over the raptors this year? Nothing. Lenny would have done way better than KO. KO does like to complain. For him to make even Chicago beat the crap out of us says something. He doesnt have nearly enough offence. When I watch other teams play us, they always have a systematic way of playing. With the raptors its just give the ball to Vince and he'll take over by taking the shot or passing to someone open.. where's teh offence KO? Vince is not the only person on the team, and its obvious Carter is going to get double or triple teamed when other teams know that this is teh only thing that is done. Their only offence is Carters sheer athleticism for providing from nothing. The only other person is Strickland, who came with experience already, not taught by KO.. he will soon lose it though to fall under KO's non-existent offence. And yes, KO DOES complain sometimes, if you read the Toronto Star weekly sports pages he has some lines in there every once in a while. Other than KO its our lack of big men that makes us lose, teams always have 2nd offensive rebound opportunities against us, which really is what makes us lose other than KO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">KO really is over-rated. What has he done that separates him from any other coach that would have taken over the raptors this year? Nothing. Lenny would have done way better than KO. KO does like to complain. For him to make even Chicago beat the crap out of us says something. He doesnt have nearly enough offence. When I watch other teams play us, they always have a systematic way of playing. With the raptors its just give the ball to Vince and he'll take over by taking the shot or passing to someone open.. where's teh offence KO? Vince is not the only person on the team, and its obvious Carter is going to get double or triple teamed when other teams know that this is teh only thing that is done. Their only offence is Carters sheer athleticism for providing from nothing. The only other person is Strickland, who came with experience already, not taught by KO.. he will soon lose it though to fall under KO's non-existent offence. And yes, KO DOES complain sometimes, if you read the Toronto Star weekly sports pages he has some lines in there every once in a while. Other than KO its our lack of big men that makes us lose, teams always have 2nd offensive rebound opportunities against us, which really is what makes us lose other than KO.</div> I admit, KO doesn?t have a great offensive system. But please, before you criticize his offense consider the following: - We are currently missing 2 starters (One of whom is our second scoring option the other is our starting ?point guard?) and 1 bench player. - We have two new guards so we are limited to the amount of plays we run on offense and it will also take time for adjustments and for comfort level to set in. - Our lack of big men who can provide interior scoring (points in the paint) also limits the amount of plays we can run. If we had inside scoring, then that would open up our game from the outside as well and we will in turn be able to increase the amount of offensive options. - Our lack of a point guard means that we don?t have someone who can effectively create for other players. That?s why you?ll see VC with the ball most of the time. He is the only one who can create open shots for other players. - Our lack of offensive rebounding also hinders players from taking chances on offense. On top of these, he also encourages his players to penetrate, share the ball (which does look good under KOs system), space out, run without the ball and don?t settle for outside jumpers. You know what, it seems like everyone is in agreement that singling the blame on someone is not the way to go. So why can?t you guys just quit it with the ?KO is the one to blame? non-sense. I admit KO?s not perfect and he does make mistakes. But so does VC, Marshall, Bosh, Rose, Williams, MoPete, yah you get the point. Remember what?s been said already, NO SINGLE PERSON should be given the blame for where the Raptors are at this point.
