Jamison for #4 pick

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  1. notmuchgame

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Mavericks have no intention of leaving Jamison unprotected, but don't be surprised if they offer the Charlotte native, who turns 28 in June, in exchange for the No. 4 overall pick.

    Don't be surprised, furthermore, if the Bobcats strongly consider making the swap.

    Golden State has already made the determination that Jamison is not a fully fledged franchise player, but the likelihood is Charlotte won't find one at No. 4 in this (or any modern-day) draft. As a former Tar Heel who's active in the Charlotte community -- and who's sure to put up numbers if you build an offense around him, especially in the East -- Jamison makes considerable sense for the Bobcats in their infancy. According to league sources, this Charlotte regime is very conscious of doing whatever is necessary to gain some distance from the messy legacy of the George Shinn era. Giving the locals daily access to Jamison would be a fine start, since it figures to be a while before they can give the locals a winning team.</div>

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    May not be a bad move for the Bobcats. Jamison can be a pretty good player in the East.
     
  3. King James X3

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    I was considering this the other day, there's alot of teams that are likely to intentionally not protect some of their players in hopes that The Bobcats will pick them up along with their contracts. For instance Dallas needs to resign Steve Nash at the end of this season and Antoine Walker at the end of next season, they're payroll is already sky high so getting rid of Antawn Jamison could open up ample amount of funds to sign Nash and Walker with.

    Another situation could be The Boston Celtics and Raef LaFrentz. I've heard no rumors to support this, but why would Boston want to keep a lackluster center who makes 10+ a year on their payroll or their roster?

    I'm sure Portland will also try this with Damon Stoudemire, I'm sure they'd throw a parade if they somehow got Stoudemire off their pay roll earlier than expected.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Another situation could be The Boston Celtics and Raef LaFrentz. I've heard no rumors to support this, but why would Boston want to keep a lackluster center who makes 10+ a year on their payroll or their roster?

    I'm sure Portland will also try this with Damon Stoudemire, I'm sure they'd throw a parade if they somehow got Stoudemire off their pay roll earlier than expected.</div>

    Here's a quote from the article if you read it....

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Bernie Bickerstaff has made it clear that he isn't interested in absorbing veterans with long-term contracts in the expansion draft</div>

    The bobcats would be fools to take Stoudamire or LaFrentz...both those guys are getting older, and each has quite a bit of baggage...LaFrentz can't say healthy (which i consider baggage), and Stoudamire has the drug problems...

    The reason Jamison would be ideal is because of his North Carolina roots, and in addition, he's a stand-up guy...
     
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    Well I think anything that helps a player get more playing time is great. In Dallas Jamison has to battle with players for minutes. The bobcats might be able to make since of the earlier trade between Vince And Jamison. Who knows maybe this quick guy named Jamison can become an allstar in the east.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">The bobcats would be fools to take Stoudamire or LaFrentz...both those guys are getting older, and each has quite a bit of baggage...LaFrentz can't say healthy (which i consider baggage), and Stoudamire has the drug problems...</div>

    It's understandable why The Bobcats wouldn't want Stoudemire, than again I never said they had any interest him. I simply stated that I'm sure Portland had no intentions of protecting Mighty Mouse.

    As for LaFrentz, he's not an old guy, nor is he injury prone. Raef is only 27, and he's only had one injury that's taken away from his contributions, that of course being his injury this season. He's expected to make a full recovery and return to the lineup next season.

    I wouldn't write off LaFrentz if I were The Bobcats. He's still pretty young, and he can contribute from a postion (center) where just a handful of people at that postion can. Look at his numbers from years past when he was a starter, he was a solid 13 point, 7.5 rebound, 2.5 block a game player. It's not his fault he got shipped to Dallas where he couldn't get quality minutes.

    But Hey, If The Bobcats would rather have Jahidi White instead, so be it...
     
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    I think I would do htis, Jamison is better than what you would get in the draft...if you want to be a success in a few years, Jamison can rebound and score and is very unselfsih
     
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    Raef is signed thru 2009 to a ridiculous contract compared to his contributions. The Bobcats and Bickerstaff have said repeatedly that they don't want long term, high priced contracts, so Raef will most assuredly not be a Bobcat come next year.

    Jamison is the same way. He's a better player, but he's signed thru '08 when he'll be making over $16 million. I'll be very surprised if this happened.
     
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    If i were Dallas, Walker would be on the trade block before jamison..
    (IF THIS HAPPENS: )
    will dallas look to get okafor? or another big man?? they need d, no more scoring
     
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    Antawn can become an instant star again by moving to the east, on the Bobcats with limited talent there is no reason why he won't put up at least 22 and 7. He is one of those great guys who will do whatever you tell him, look at him last season. 20 point scorer helped lead the Warriors in the playoff race, a season later limited minutes on a stacked Dallas Maverick team, you hear no moaning at any stage of the season about lack of minutes.

    He goes out and gets the job done. He may be weak on defense but he is a pure scorer that can help any team.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Q Rich3:</div><div class="quote_post">I think I would do htis, Jamison is better than what you would get in the draft...if you want to be a success in a few years, Jamison can rebound and score and is very unselfsih</div>

    OMG! LOL. Jamison, unselfish, in the same sentence?! You have got to be kidding me. Check out his assist numbers. Especially when he was with the Warriors. That dude got about 1apg. He may be an unselfish person, but not an unselfish player. He shoots 20-25 times per game and gets 1 assist? That is selfish to me. I think this would be a great trade for Dallas, not as good for the Bobcats and I will tell you why...Cap space. They have let it be known that they do not want old guys, and guys with huge contracts. They are looking for young guys who do not have huge contracts. They can pick up a guy in the draft would could potentially be better or worse than Jamison, but if he is better, then they wont have to pay a monster contract for someone who is not as good...
     
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    Jamison always played hard and did not complain. That would be ideal for the Bobcats. He may not have been a great passer but he always competed and has a nice game which does not depend on post ups.
     
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    Jamison would be a star in the east, and would easily average over 23 or 24 a game. And he could become a better passer, he just never had to before - he was the franchise player with both the Tarheels and the Warriors. Still, I would be hesitant at anything that sees Charlotte losing a lottery pick, which this deal includes.

    Instead of trading away draft picks, Charlotte should be looking to pick up more, so that they have 2 or 3 first round picks.
     
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    Jamison would be a good move for the bobcats but not for the #4 pick. All these guys declaring for the draft are real good. Shaun Livingston, Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard, Pavel podkoldine(spelling), Ivan chaierav. These guys maybe young but they are good and will last in the NBA longer than Jamison. If i were the bobcats i would rather have a young player than an older one.
     
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    The Bobcats will never make this deal unless other players are involved. Expansion teams hate to trade away their 1st round draft picks because drafting a well-known college star is generally better for business (read: selling tickets) than aquiring a proven, but notably less exciting veteran.

    Also consider that the Bobcats have stated publically that they do not intend to add any large contracts, that Jamison is overpaid and that at #4 a player will be available with enough talent to build a franchise around and it appears unlikely for this deal to happen.

    In an ideal world (for the Bobcats) local college star Luol Deng will declare for the draft and be available for them at #4, providing them with both a popular and a basketball saavy pick.
     
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    I don't think there is any doubt that Jamison would be sucessful with the Bobcats. The question you have to ask yourself is "can we build a team around Jamison?" I don't think you can. Don't get me wrong, I love his game and I love his attitude but the guy does not make people around him better. I think he is a perfect fit for the Mavs coming off the bench; he can rebound and get all the scrappy points while the defense focuses on the Mavs "big 3". The only problem there is his big contract for a supporting role player.
     
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    I'd actually like to see this trade, I think Dallas needs some new young talent and a new team like the Bobcats could use a franchise player like Jamison. I've been suffering all season long seeing Jamison sitting on the bench over in Dallas, when it probably should be Walker sitting there. Jamison would probably love going back to Carolina, and I'd really like to see this happen. It would also work well for Charlotte to sell tickets as a new team IMO.
     
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    I don't think this would be a smart deal for the Cats. Sure, Jamison is very good and is only 28, but, I wouldn't do it. If I were them, I'd keep my 4th pick, and get someone like Hakeem Warrick, Jameer Nelson, Okafor if he's still available.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post"> It would also work well for Charlotte to sell tickets as a new team IMO.</div>I'm not too sure about that. I don't think people will be lining up to see Jamison scrappy play but who knows.[​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, to me Jamison isn't really a prime-time scorer (even though he averaged 20 a game last year). Most of his points come off little hooks and flip shots in the lane that he gets coming off screens and off rebounds. He doesn't really set his own shots up, which I expect a big-time scorer to do. LAst year, Arenas did it for him, this year, Nash and the Mavs do.
     

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