I do not doubt he could do that. I was just saying that Kenyon should not be looked down upon because he is not as good of an outside shooter as a low post player.
Low post is good only if you got the height, weight and the footwork. If Kenyon Martin were like Elton Brand I wouldn't mind about his height so much because you'd have the weight and can just body bump with your wide, heavy body and use footwork to score. 230 lb guy leaning on a 260 lb guy is hard work and because he's wider around you get more separation to get off a hook shot or a layup. K-mart is like only like 230 lbs whereas Murph weighs about 250 or even more right now. K-mart is an exciting dunker and ooper though. But maybe K-mart could be an option as power forward if Murph goes center. Murph would have to be bigger than he is now and really speed up the low post game and Kenyon would have to gain at least 15 more lbs of muscle and really fight for those rebounds, because Murph is the one who would be stepping out for perimeter shots. Kenyon isn't the 7 footer that Murph is so he'd have to leave his feet and grab those boards aggressively and be the acting center. I'd rather leave that to Dampier who is 270 or 260 lbs. and he's the same height as Murphy. A lot of the league centers aren't as strong or as fast as him at that weight and height. Murphy would really have to gain it in the shoulders like Dampier.
Kenyon Martin 6'9" 234 Troy Murphy 6'11" 245 Murphy is taller and only weighs 11lbs more. That pretty much means that Kenyon is stronger pound for pound because he is shorter. If they were the same height it would pretty much be a toss up, but again, I would take Kenyon over Murphy at PF. Plus Kenyon is .1rpg from averaging a double double at 17.7ppg and 9.9rpg. Granted, that is in the east, but I still think he could get it done in golden state.
I think Murphy weighs more this year and is stronger. It'd be good to see them compete against one another. I still think Kenyon Martin needs a Jason Kidd in order to be playing the style of game that he plays. It'd be quite an adjustment if he was on the warriors playing with Speedy Claxton and having to guard stronger power forwards like Brand and Duncan. I still like Murphy's free throw shooting. You've got a mid 70's low 80's free throw shooter versus a mid 60's guy.
Kenyon is also more athetic. I can play against guys that are 2" shorter than me, but if they have long arms and are more athletic than me, it is very hard to play against them. There is only so much height can do for you. I think Kenyon would eat Murphy up. He is also better defensively than Murphy.
But you said it yourself, a power forward should kind of play like a center. That's especially true in the west. I don't think Kenyon could rebound better than murph on average since he'd be playing three times as many Western conference games against bigger power forwards and centers and I don't think he could hold his ground in the low post unless he gains more weight. He is a good defender and great on the fast break, I'll give you that. But I bet he'd have to foul a lot of bigger players that would just get the position on him or back him down and then hook it or lay it up right over him. I can just see K-mart getting into so much foul trouble defending down low or getting outmuscled in the low post. He would, however, be great at interupting the inbound passes to the post players. He's quick enough to get in the passing lanes but he'd have to put a body on someone to really play low post defense. He's strong and all, but he needs to gain the weight. Plus, I never said it was about height, it's about size. That's why Elton Brand is a 20-10 guy.
If Jamison can be productive down low, then there is no doubt in my mind Kenyon can be just as effective. He is also a stronger and better defensive player than Jamison. I am telling you, if we get a chance to sign Kenyon, I think you will be happy.
If he's playing small forward yeah. But he's got no range. He is like a tweener to me. He's fast enough to be running with Richard Jefferson for a fastbreak but he doesn't have the size and strength to play as a 4 in the west. Maybe this is also partly why Kenyon isn't being signed an extension. (I'm guessing its mostly because of the Nets ownership and they want exercised options off the books until the new ownership can decide what to do) Jamison is like another tweener. Besides if someone is going to work down low they better have the physical tools to be able to do so easily otherwise its just better taking open jump shots.
His last season was amazing, we'll finally be able to see what he truly can do. He's already decent, therefore plenty of room for improvement and when he does, he'll be a star along with Claxton and J-Rich, hopefully Dunleavy will be even better as well. Great news for the Warriors, this might help on the road, share the load with Cardinal and Dampier.
I saw some of Murphy last night and although he only played 15 mins, I must have watched the majority of those because while he only got 6 rebounds, I think I saw each one of them. I do not watch closely enough to know why but he just gets every board, even in traffic, when he's on the floor. He must work very hard to be in the right position for where the shot is going to miss. I love him. As a former PG, I know that guys who board are so important and to have one like Murphy is sweet. He looked healthy last night and playing at full speed. He is definitely the one keeper on the Warriors right now.
Murphy v. Martin? No contest. Murphy. Murphy's last year was better than Martin's this year. Murphy rebounds in traffic against the studs in the West, sets solid picks, hits open jumpers and is not afraid to dunk in traffic. I admit I have not watched him a great deal, but he sure seems to whine quite a bit and is always saying "hey what about me?" A guy like Murphy will be a key piece to building a strong team. He makes the other guys better.
You mean Martin complains and whines a lot. I've never heard Murphy complain. I do remember Murphy was just trying to defend that he shouldn't lose his starting position to cliff two months ago because he was pressing to keep is job. I think Murph worked hard to earn that starting position and he's our future. Dunleavy just got thrown into the position rather than earn it. Sorry had to throw something in about Dunleavy.
Yeah, Murph is a much harder worker and a tougher player as well. He also has been working on his outside game, which adds a WHOLE ANOTHER dimension to his already solid game.
Any Power forward that can go perimeter once every few shots is a plus. Now if only Musselman could actually write some offensive plays based around it to get Damp the ball or other players closer to the basket. It's all about floor spacing and getting certain defenders out of the way so you can score easily.
Yeah, but coaching only plays a role up to a certain point. After a point, it's up to the player to look for and create his own shot, not the play that's drawn up.
