<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Canada:</div><div class="quote_post"> .. He's the biggest " Me First " superstar in the league !</div> oh!! I think with the assists from Tracy prove it the opposite!! He has also the most assists from orlando vs. washongton... tracy isn't a "Me-FIRST" player... you can't say that. with his team behind him, it's difficult to be not the number one!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimFlem:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about. Have you watched some of his games. The guy got some losses because he was passing the ball too much and his teammates could'nt hit the shots. Me first? The guy got's like 6 assists per game. I hate it when people come in here and just run there mouth about things they don't know.</div> I have watched many games for the Magic this season, T-Mac touches the ball on every possession which is obvious ... but he could average 8 assissts easily when they double team him !
I think T-Mac shouldn't worry about his individual sucess when his team has the worst record in the NBA.I know it a goal or whatever, but he needs to worry about winning before he worrys about scoring 70 points.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">crazy town Sorry, but I don't think a player will score 60+ points if it's a blow out game. Most coaches bench their stars in blow out games, in essence, giving them no chance to score 60+.</div> Yeah really, dag T-Mac can't say nothing without being criticized. Barry Bonds probaly be just as criticized if this was a baseball thread. Might as well, like other people said go for it with the W of course. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Air Canada I have watched many games for the Magic this season, T-Mac touches the ball on every possession which is obvious ... but he could average 8 assissts easily when they double team him !</div> He could if they hit they're shots. Man I've seen a couple of games with them, Lue especially struggles like a mug. He should be averaging 10 if they hit at a 50% clip. But it seems like they shoot 33% of his passes. Bottom line is, there's nothing wrong with setting a goal for yourself IMO. Especially with the kinda season they're having right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting redscoon:</div><div class="quote_post">Its a team game, not an individual game. So what happens the next time McGrady gets off to a hot start? Is he going to just start shooting everytime down so that he can get his 70? You don't want your best player putting himself above the team and that seems what Tracy was implying with his comments. If McGrady had a choice to score 70 and lose or score 7 and win, what do you honestly think he'd say?</div> Dude, if he scores 70, they wouldnt lose the game. they would win. havent u noticed that when tmac has bad scoring nights, orlando lose. the more tmac hogs the ball, the more chances of winning the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">havent u noticed that when tmac has bad scoring nights, orlando lose. the more tmac hogs the ball, the more chances of winning the game.</div> How do you define bad scoring night? T-Mac averages 28 PPG and still the Magic has a record of 19-48. He had 51 poins against the Nuggets and Orlando lost, in another game against the Nuggets he had only 15 points and played 20 min and they won, also against the Pistons he had only 19 points and Orlando won.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Its easy to say but maybe he should focus on winning more games rather than on scoring 70 points. I'm just sayin....</div> Took the words right outta my mouth! He definitely puts more emphasis on his personal accomplishments, especially his offensive prowess, than on the sucess of his team. Hopefully one day he will change his ways, because if he ever decides to play defense with the same energy as he does offense, Tracy will be an icon like Michael is, and he might win some championships. Until then, he'll keep rackin up scoring titles and lottery picks.
I would rather seen my team win than score 70 points, but when T-Mac scored 62 points, his team won to, so why shouldn't they have a chance to win if he scores 70?
Yeah. Tmac does want to win more than anything. Tmac would gladly take the 7 pts and a W over 70 and a loss. Just think about this for 1 second. If he's such a Me 1st guy, then why wouldn't he want to stay in Orlando, where it will always be his team? If he'd rather improve his stats rather than watch the team win, why would he go to a contender than? I mean, who doesn't want to score 70 points. Tmac just set a goal for himself. He definetely could do it. Why not do it this year? His teams season is over, so at least there will be a bright spot on the season. Again, his teammates can't make a shot when Tmac passes.
First of all people who think T-Mac is a me-first ball player is just basing their judgements on what he says to the media. When T-Mac plays he does shoot a lot but really, who can he pass to on that team? T-Mac is one of the best passing shooting guards in the league and he scores when he needs to (on that team, he should just have the ball in his hands on every possesion, really). People don't realize that T-Mac actually came into the league known not only for his scoring prowess but his ability to handle the rock, defend and pass the ball. Just because T-Mac does say some dumbass things in the media and shoots the rock a whole lot, that does not mean that he is a me-first player. He is just doing what it takes to win.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post"> Just think about this for 1 second. If he's such a Me 1st guy, then why wouldn't he want to stay in Orlando, where it will always be his team? If he'd rather improve his stats rather than watch the team win, why would he go to a contender than? </div> well, u can look at that in a different way...just think for 1 second , if T-Mac is such a team player, then why wouldn't he stick around to help his team win...if he truely would rather leave and go to a contender, doesn't that say he's abandoning his own team for achievements on another team? Isn't that rather selfish? He's thinking about himself, not his current teammates.... and for the record, I don't have a real opinion either way..I'm just pointing out that there are two sides of the coin in your arguement...
People forget that in his first year in Orlando T-Mac was playing with an unbeleivable intensity on both ends, just shutting down every one. But each year he has faced disappointmets with the Magic's inability to surround him with stars and that has brought down his enthusiasm for the game. Just think about it all the great teams in the League have more than one star that fit around the superstar a great owner(willing to spend) and a great GM and Coaching staff. Orlando just has a superstar none of the other components of bieng great. Look at San Antonio, when Tim Duncan is out they dont miss a beat, they still win and TD sometimes gets too much credit for their success. I beleive that team has 2 other stars. They beat good teams without TD (Mavericks). Greg Popovich is really smart in that he makes TD look good by putting the right unselfish players around him. Tony Parker, is in my opinion the third best PG in the league only J Kidd and Baron Davis are better. His stats arent great cause Popovich limits him so much , but when TD is out we see how great he is. and Rasho as well, This guy is a top five center, did u guys see the near quadruple double he had. They also have Manu great player, Bruce tough defender, and Malik Rose spark plug. Thats what the Magic need to do, Draft young unselfish players. Get rid of G-Hill's contract. And sign solid players. If they do that T-Mac will be able to pull of a string o chamionships if ever gets reenergized and refocused. Because he is by far the most talented player in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post"><strike>red scoon ur a dumb idiot , just shut up. </strike>Were u watching that game no. I was so shut up, it was against my team and Jared Jefferies said Kobe and Pierce are no where as talented as T-Mac</div> And you are talking about what? I never said anything about the game or TMac not being talented. All I'm saying is that its not a good thing when your team leader starts setting goals of scoring 70 points in a game. Personal achievements should always come secondary to team success.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting redscoon:</div><div class="quote_post">And you are talking about what? I never said anything about the game or TMac not being talented. All I'm saying is that its not a good thing when your team leader starts setting goals of scoring 70 points in a game. Personal achievements should always come secondary to team success.</div> You're being naive if you think T-Mac is all about personal achievements than winning games. Get a clue, bro!!
McGrady can score 62 points and he'll be called a selfish player. He can look to get others involved and hand out 12 assists. Then people will claim he needs to take over score more. No matter what, no one will be happy. But his loud mouth to the media could be one reason people are so judgemental against him. He just needs to close his mouth and play his game. 'We'll make it past the 2nd round' 'After this season, I was thinking about retiring' Plus him calling out teammates, not going to cut it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Canada:</div><div class="quote_post"> T-Mac should take a look at this link : http://www.nba.com/standings/by_conference.html Look where his team is located along with the record .. and SHUT THE HELL UP ! .. He's the biggest " Me First " superstar in the league !</div> Let's not even get into Vince Carter. He's done/said his fair share of things as well. Still upset he left the Raptors? Cut the crap, or don't come in here. The simple fact is Orlando needs McGrady's scoring. He's tried to get his teammates involved, and if you've watched any Magic games you would realize that. When he passes the ball, his teammates either turn it over or miss terribly. They are bad for a reason: No supporting cast. I've seen McGrady pass the ball to Hunter, and he misses easy layups. Unacceptable. He's made it very clear he still wants to win ball games because he's a competive player and doesn't want to go down without fighting. But, since the Magic are bad enough as it is, why can't McGrady make personal goals for himself?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Who the hell brought Carters name into this thread? I certainly didn't see his name come up.</div> That would be me in regards to Air Canada. If you read his posts, they are all biased remarks regarding the Raptors/Vince, or insults to McGrady.
Don't even get me started with Vince. This is the same guy who bailed on his team in the PLAYOFFS so he could attend his graduating ceremony where he didn't even recieve the diploma.LOL <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Originally Posted by Air Canada T-Mac should take a look at this link : http://www.nba.com/standings/by_conference.html Look where his team is located along with the record .. and SHUT THE HELL UP ! .. He's the biggest " Me First " superstar in the league !</div> Let's take a look at the Raptors record: 27-38. Wow!! And I love his quote from J.O'neal on his sig. The Raptors are a whopping 15-17 at home. Yea, that arena strikes fear on opposing teams when they visit. =)
Lets try and not turn this into a Orlando Magic vs. Toronto Raptors thread. We currently have a better team right now. This is no knock on Orlando but all we have to do is compare the records. I agree that Air's comments about Mcgrady were a little on the harsh and undeserved side, it still doesn't justify trying to get back at him using his favourite player. VC and Mcgrady are not getting the best of publicity right now and bashing either player on their indifferences is like beating a dead horse.
