<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post"> T-Mac had 37 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds and if that's considered being shut down than I guess T-Mac's made a career on it. It's all irrelavant though, this is just one single game between T-Mac who plays for the worst team in the league and Kobe who plays for perhaps the best. T-Mac plays for The Magic where he has to be concerned with leading his team on his OWN and getting his teammates involved, Kobe plays for The Lakers where he has guys like Shaquille O'Neal dropping 27 points and 23 rebounds. It's a big difference maker.</div> I agree wit u on the best player issue...Kg and Duncan are clearly the best.. but regarding tonites game, u obviously just looked at the boxscore....As mentioned earlier, T-mac was shut down at the end when Phil Jackson allowed Kobe to defend him...As far as Shaq goes, he put up a great line with a 20-20 game, but he didn't play well at all, stats don't always tell the tale....neither did GP and especially Rush...Kareem played his worst game in a long time...The only player not wearing #8 that stepped up was D-Fish.... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting JLee348:</div><div class="quote_post">In about 15 years, I guarantee that Kobe will be known to have been the GREATEST PlAYER TO EVER LIVE. </div> Well, lets see if Kobe is able to play next year before we talk about the next 15 years...
Only one comment: bball is a team sport with teams compared to teams not players compared to players. But i wouldnt say its ridiculous i can understand Krazygreen. Kobe wasnt bad and for a Kobe fan i can also understand why you start a thread on this
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">This is WHY I consider myself a true Laker fan, I am able to remain level headed and not make obnoxious comments like most front-runner Laker fans tend to do. Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker of All-Time. I've been a Laker fan for over 20 years, and I'm positive I've seen a lot more games than you have.</div> just too true, if youre a "real" lakers fan you love the team notonly one player and it doesnt matter if you love all of those players (i dont really you know "Love" kobe either and i consider myself a real lakers fan in someway)
How many points did Kobe score in the fourth? I heard someone say 24, but I'm not sure if that's fact or not. Anyhow, say it is so I can make a point, does that mean T-Mac "stopped" Kobe the prior 3 quarters? Is T-Mac all of a sudden an "amazing" defensive stopper? Of course not, it's just one game! Look back to last week against Minnesota, Kobe had just 16 points, his team lost, and he shot terribly. If I were to come out and say, "Man Spree is the best player, he's a defensive stopper," It certainly wouldn't be justified based on JUST that one performance. Or If I made a thread intitled, "T-Mac scores 62, best-player" I'm sure alot of people would have a problem with that also. It's all irrelavant, it's JUST one single game. If opinions of players and their abilities were based on ONE single game's performance your view of that player would certainly be obscured. It's one performance of a season that carries 82 of them, look at the big picture than come to your conclusions rather than one incident.
i think it was just ... its like if youre king james fan and he scores whatever 60 something or kills tmac you'd be really excited ... you know thats cause your excited you cant be very objective if youre excited and plus you like the player emotional thread, one can be emotional some time IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">How many points did Kobe score in the fourth? I heard someone say 24, but I'm not sure if that's fact or not. Anyhow, say it is so I can make a point, does that mean T-Mac "stopped" Kobe the prior 3 quarters? Is T-Mac all of a sudden an "amazing" defensive stopper? Of course not, it's just one game! Look back to last week against Minnesota, Kobe had just 16 points, his team lost, and he shot terribly. If I were to come out and say, "Man Spree is the best player, he's a defensive stopper," It certainly wouldn't be justified based on JUST that one performance. Or If I made a thread intitled, "T-Mac scores 62, best-player" I'm sure alot of people would have a problem with that also. It's all irrelavant, it's JUST one single game. If opinions of players and their abilities were based on ONE single game's performance your view of that player would certainly be obscured. It's one performance of a season that carries 82 of them, look at the big picture than come to your conclusions rather than one incident.</div> Is this post in response to mine? If so, I don't know what you're arguing...I'm not the thread starter nor do I agree with the title...all this best player stuff was discussed in the first 3 or so pages of this thread... I was just refering to tonite's game... and Kobe had 37 pts after halftime, and 24 in the 4th i believe...besides that, I'm not sure what you're talking about...the thread-starter was excited
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I guess he could start by practicing on those freethrows a little more often? For years I've heard he has been working at it, but it obviously hasn't been enough. I honestly don't believe that he really spent a whole summer working on freethrows a few seasons back.. No one can be just as bad as they were before after that much practice.</div> i remember he said once: people pay tickets to see me dunk not for shooting baskets. And Ithink thats what he does in trainings: dunking. I guess so. I dont think either he practised hard enough, even i can shoot better freethrows (at least it looks better )
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Well thats immature talk IMO. You know you're not the best so why say it? Are you that ignorant as to think your team is the best when they are clearly not? I'm not directing this at you.</div> i agree its immature but some people like bball just cause of their excitement and dont know much of the game just for fun so they'd just be like "immature" and say "were the best" although youre not. You have to believe in your team, always?. I know raps are not the best right now but i still want to believe that
sorry i m a bit late but now i got to page 4 and actually think its all a bit "too emotional"? Noone said KObe sucks we know he's good and i can understand you say Kobe is the best. What do you want Krazygreen? And Sure lebron james couldnt have done like <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">btw - j rich hasnt won 3 rings, scored 40 points and 35+ 13 consecutive games, had the dunk of the year last season, dunked on the whole nba basically, led his team to a 50 win season (with an injured shaq) scored 56 in 3 quarters, won an all star MVP, average 36 points vs the spurs in the playoffs in 2001, and 2002, brought back LA from a 25 point deficit aginast the mavs last season, hit NUMEROUS game winning shots, won the portland series for us when shaq got fouled out in 2000, damnit i could go on forever and ever and ever....</div> cause how many years has he played in the nba? His dunks are enormous you have to admit that as well if youve watched the rookie game. Sorry i dont hate kobe i like him but you shouldnt insult other great players like that in some way. I dont actually wanne look further cause its all gonna be same talk and opinions from the same people. I dont wanne offend you krazygreen as i said kobe is imo a great player but not "the best" cause theres nothing like "the best" in the world
I have a question...Do lakers fans think Kobe is or can be better than Jordan?...I PERSONALLY would build a team around Kobe and not Jordan...Kobe does what MJ does..He's just as good of a defender..A better rebounder..Passer...Stronger...Better shooter...Just as athletic..EXCEPT kobe can have an impact on the game without scoring...Out!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Timmy-MVP-21:</div><div class="quote_post">I have a question...Do lakers fans think Kobe is or can be better than Jordan?...I PERSONALLY would build a team around Kobe and not Jordan...Kobe does what MJ does..He's just as good of a defender..A better rebounder..Passer...Stronger...Better shooter...Just as athletic..EXCEPT kobe can have an impact on the game without scoring...Out!</div> Kobe will never be as good as MJ...and I doubt anybody will ever be as good as MJ... as far as those attributes you mentioned, Kobe is a great defender, but he's not "as good of a defender" as MJ was...not yet at least.... Kobe is definitly not stronger than MJ...I remember reading that Kobe started gameday lifting because it was so beneficiary to MJ... Kobe has more range than MJ, but isn't as consistant with the mid-range J...Jordan was one of the best mid-range shooters I've ever seen.... Young Jordan was more athletic than Kobe...he also had bigger hands so that helped with his finishes... And believe men, Jordan had big impact on games without scoring...He did make guys like Bil Wennington look like NBA players
Damn, I missed a good debate last night. It's been said a billion times, but it's the truth. You cannot compare the two until they are in the same situation. Stat wise, it will appear like McGrady had the better game because he's a one man team. But Kobe has 3 Hall of Famers, and they will only pull his numbers down. He also had the better end of the matchup, but one game won't determine their series matchups. Just compare their 4th quarter play. McGrady has yet to develop the clutch play, and tends to lax off when the game is on the line. Kobe on the other hand seems to thrives off of it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know Kobe WILL be the greatest of all time.</div> Does Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, or Oscar Robertson ring a bell? If Kobe isn't the best player in the league right now, I'd love to see how he can become the greatest of All Time. Thats a very bold statement.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">But it's clearly not LeBron's fault... the hype was beyond his control, sure if the media didn't write anything less would be known about LeBron (but SLAM was still gonna do its thing... much love). And what's your problem anyway with him being popular? However way he got his popularity, he earned it, so he's popular thanks to all the hype? All the hype was created because he's once-a-decade player with NBA body and nice game. I may be wrong, but I'm gonna guess that you are concerned that everyone else is talking more about LeBron than Kobe thesedays. Everyone, don't leave me alone,... I'm in Australia so it's still 8:18 PM now!!!!!</div> I never said that it was LeBron's fault for the hype, he should be greatful he got that much attention. He has come into this league strong and so far has proven that he was worth all of it, so I have nothing negative to say about him there. I like LeBron, maybe not as much as most of you but I still like watching him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">How many points did Kobe score in the fourth? I heard someone say 24, but I'm not sure if that's fact or not. Anyhow, say it is so I can make a point, does that mean T-Mac "stopped" Kobe the prior 3 quarters? Is T-Mac all of a sudden an "amazing" defensive stopper? Of course not, it's just one game! Look back to last week against Minnesota, Kobe had just 16 points, his team lost, and he shot terribly. If I were to come out and say, "Man Spree is the best player, he's a defensive stopper," It certainly wouldn't be justified based on JUST that one performance. Or If I made a thread intitled, "T-Mac scores 62, best-player" I'm sure alot of people would have a problem with that also. It's all irrelavant, it's JUST one single game. If opinions of players and their abilities were based on ONE single game's performance your view of that player would certainly be obscured. It's one performance of a season that carries 82 of them, look at the big picture than come to your conclusions rather than one incident.</div> You don't think Kobe doesn't carry his team throught a full season? Did you happen to follow L.A. at all last season? Have you looked at our record without Kobe? Have you read any of the millions of articles about Kobe's bummed shoulder? He's been shooting horribly since coming back from the shoulder injury 10GAMES early after missing only 2, and he's been having trouble with that arm throughout. Through the first half you could tell EVERYTHING he was shooting was left handed, and he was bothered by it a lot. Even when he was scoring all of that he was doing most of everything left handed, including the block on T-Mac. It's not so much that I want to defend Kobe here, but all you look at is the stats and you try to make a debate over the game with us. By the way, T-Mac didn't play D on Kobe in his ugly first half, didn't play D on him throught the game as a matter of fact.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">It was exciting! Remember, the Lakers are still adjusting their offense and getting used to it. If you're no fan of this team, you may not feel it, it's up to you, but for us Lakers fans winning by 3 and needing an OT against the Magic is no shame because we know we're still adjusting. As a result, the Magic were getting around easy most of the game but the Lakers still proved in the end that they could win when they should, and they may have just found out a new one: the team's offense doesn't go through Shaq anymore, it's through Kobe's!</div> Yes the game was exciting. The duel, the showdown between Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant, but the Lakers are still adjusting to their offense which gives us a great excuse for taking a 19-50 team to overtime and winning by 3? This team doesn't need adjusting. The Big Four is back on the floor together again, and everybody knows their role in the triangle offense. No excuses to even allow the Magic to compete in the end. The team's offense doesn't center around Kobe. Our offense is centered around Shaquille O'Neal. It's been this way for years since he's been a Laker. Kobe had one of those nights where if he kept shooting, the ball would just simply fall into the net. So in these last two performances Kobe had against Chicago and Orlando, Shaq would still never be counted out. Always our #1 priority.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Krazygreen:</div><div class="quote_post">this is why i would never consider someone like you a laker fan, kobe is injured, if he werent injured, hes the best all around and most exciting player in the league, just like we saw LAST SEASON, and the kids not even in his prime yet man...KG is in his prime, hes good, the best AT THIS TIME, sure why not, but kobe is MR. Clutch, he does things that we havent seen since JORDAN, i mean seriously, there have been player after player after player compared to Jordan, but how many consistently have produced like him? grant hill failed, penny failed, stackhouse failed, vince carter failed, allen iverson failed, harold miner even failed, but kobe, kobe has been consistent...not only does he shadow him, but he plays at his level, with his greatness and his heart and his mindframe to WIN. Tmac stands around and laughs during a 20 point loss in the OT? come on, what kind of heart is that?</div> <font color="Red">Warning No Personal Attacks -- Shapecity</font> Accusing a Laker fan of 20 years of not being a true fan because he simply said Kobe is not the best? You know what....I'm not a biased fan either, and Kobe is not the best player right now. Tons of talent that circulates this league....Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Tracy McGrady. Shall I go on? So to just say Kobe is the best without thinking about the other stars that rule this league is stupid, absurd, and ridiculous. And also, don't forget the retired Laker numbers in the rafters at Staples Center and let me name them for you: Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, James Worhty. Kobe is the best above all these great Laker legends? You really need a reality check.
About the "there's nothing to get excited about over last night's game cuz they only beat the worst team in the league by 3 in overtime" statements...that person obviously looks at scoreboards and boxscores and knows little else about the Lakers. LA is notorious for sleepwalking through games they think they're going to come away with at the end. I personally think that's because their perennial leader (Shaq) is about the laziest guy in the league, and that attitude leaks out into his teammates. Ever since the 2000 title, the Lakers often have had the mindset that if they wanted to turn it on, they'd do so and easily win. Unfortunately that hasn't always been the case, and if you look at their past records you'll see that they have a penchant for losing to easy teams because they just don't take the game seriously enough and fail to execute once they realize they really need to. In conclusion, if there's any team that you can count on losing due to a pure lack of effort, it's LA.
Threads like this make me hate kobe , I've got nothing else to say , I said most of it in the Preview of that game in the Orlando Magic's forum..if you want to know my opinions: http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread...68&page=1&pp=20 p.s. 6'8 vs #20 #11 #34 T-Mac is not a better clutch player because he plays hard since 11:59 of the first quater is on , or else they lose the game for sure.
1 armed man punks the 1 eyed man! Props tho to the Magic for hanging in there. If T-mac had just gotten that shot off a little earlier to end the 4th quarter....ooooooo!
Well, SI genius Marty Burns has something to say about this Laker-Magic, McGrady-Bryant matchups too: and he even added things like this: "Like Jordan, Bryant seems to be turning his personal challenges this season into motivation. The rape trial. The knee injury. The preseason war of words with Shaq. The cut finger. His pending free agency. His relationship with Jackson. The bum shoulder. It's been one thing after another for Bryant, yet he soldiers on." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writ...ider/index.html
