Have you seen the Warriors roster at 100%? Dampier, Murphy, Dunleavy, JRich, Van Exel, Speedy, Piet, Cardinal, Cliffy, Cheaney... we go 10 deep, something that the Sixers don't. No way the Sixers beat the Warriors if they both have their full rosters.
Not bad. But I can give you: Iverson- Just let him get hot. You know what will happen. Robinson McKie Coleman Jackson Kenny Thomas ( One of the most underated players ) Dalembart Snow Although we only have 8. Iverson alone can surpass 2 of the players you pointed out....combined. Then you have the vets like Glenn, Snow, McKie and Coleman. And one of the most important players up there. Dalembart. With those long arms and athletism he block any shot that tries to get over him. And grab every rebound.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting I3:</div><div class="quote_post">Not bad. But I can give you: Iverson- Just let him get hot. You know what will happen. Robinson McKie Coleman Jackson Kenny Thomas ( One of the most underated players ) Dalembart Snow Although we only have 8. Iverson alone can surpass 2 of the players you pointed out....combined. Then you have the vets like Glenn, Snow, McKie and Coleman. And one of the most important players up there. Dalembart. With those long arms and athletism he block any shot that tries to get over him. And grab every rebound.</div> What is it Iverson can do that Speedy Claxton and Nick Van Exel can't do to match him??
Starters: Snow/Claxton: Advantage Warriors Iverson/J-Rich: Advantage Sixers Robinson/Dunleavy: Tie Thomas/Murphy: Advantage Warriors Coleman/Dampier: Advantage Warriors Just my opinion but let me know if you disagree.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">What is it Iverson can do that Speedy Claxton and Nick Van Exel can't do to match him??</div> Are you serious? Do you know who Iverson is? I LOVE Speedy an enjoyed watching him every game last season but AI is on another complete level to Speedy and an aging NVE. The Warriors have struggled with injury no doubt, but to say they would be in the playoff seedings or close is abit off. The Sixers need changes but they can still use the excuse "we have missed many good offensive players this year due to injury", I can't say GS can use that same excuse.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? Do you know who Iverson is? I LOVE Speedy an enjoyed watching him every game last season but AI is on another complete level to Speedy and an aging NVE. The Warriors have struggled with injury no doubt, but to say they would be in the playoff seedings or close is abit off. The Sixers need changes but they can still use the excuse "we have missed many good offensive players this year due to injury", I can't say GS can use that same excuse.</div> Yes, I know who Iverson is. I think he's overrated. Volume shooter. Sorry to say, but its true. Look at his performance. Yea I know NVE is aging. Though last year's Dallas Mavericks postseason performance was not fluke was it? Speedy's D is every bit as good as Iverson's. IV3 said when Iverson is on right?? When NVE and Claxton are on they're unstoppable as well are they not?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, I know who Iverson is. I think he's overrated. Volume shooter. Sorry to say, but its true. Look at his performance. Yea I know NVE is aging. Though last year's Dallas Mavericks postseason performance was not fluke was it? Speedy's D is every bit as good as Iverson's. IV3 said when Iverson is on right?? When NVE and Claxton are on they're unstoppable as well are they not?</div> Overrated? no guy that is a former league MVP, several scoring titles is overrated. It's clear people have no clue what that word means I've seen his performances, this year he has been hit with injures all season. He can't help that but as an overall player he is still a superstar and a top 10 player. Nick was great in the playoffs last year but he is on the way down, his injuries will hurt him far more because of his age. It's very tough to come back from surgery when you are getting older and still play at the level you used to. Speedy is an energy guy who can play D and play the point well, thats about it. Oh and Rude you know better than that to compare starting 5's, the NBA doesn't work like that. If I had a dime for every time people compared their starting 5 against the Spurs of last season and said theirs was better...I would be a millionaire.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">The Warriors have struggled with injury no doubt, but to say they would be in the playoff seedings or close is abit off. .</div>Are you kidding? They would be a half game out of the last playoff spot in the East. How is that not even close? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Sixers need changes but they can still use the excuse "we have missed many good offensive players this year due to injury", I can't say GS can use that same excuse </div> The Warriors lost Murphy, Claxton, NVE, Foyle, etc. How can they not use that as an excuse? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Oh and Rude you know better than that to compare starting 5's, the NBA doesn't work like that. If I had a dime for every time people compared their starting 5 against the Spurs of last season and said theirs was better...I would be a millionaire.</div> I was comparing the starting five for the sake of comparing. This obviously doesn't represent the whole team but even if I did compare the rest of the team, the Warriors are deeper when both teams are at full strength.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you kidding? They would be a half game out of the last playoff spot in the East. How is that not even close? </div> I was talking about the western conference, you can still be a bad team and make it in the east. That wasn't the issue. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Warriors lost Murphy, Claxton, NVE, Foyle, etc. How can they not use that as an excuse? </div> They are hardly impact players, Murphy had a very good season last year but could it of been a one season wonder? who knows. He can rebound the ball but is still just a good role player. Claxton is a guy I know a lot about and he is a guy who can fit in with any team and again is just a back-up. NVE can give you 14 and 6 which is very good for your starting point guard but again is not the same as the Sixers missing big time scorers like Allen Iverson and Glenn Robinson. Philly also missed Kenny Thomas for a large amount of time and he is an important player within their offense, one of those rare double double guys. Warriors problem is too many role players and not enough inside, outside scorers who are capable of taking over games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I was talking about the western conference, you can still be a bad team and make it in the east. That wasn't the issue.</div>But it was the issue we WERE discussing. Being 5 games back from the last playoff spot in the West is nothing to be ashamed of considering the injuries they sustained. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> They are hardly impact players, Murphy had a very good season last year but could it of been a one season wonder? who knows.</div>How can you say they are not impact players? Foyle is thier best defensive post player and Claxton is their best perimeter defender. Murphy averaging a double-double in the West is SKILL, no fluke. These players average a combined 39 PPG. They might not be impact players for the Spurs(which Claxton was), but to say they are not impact players for the Warriors is ludacris. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> is not the same as the Sixers missing big time scorers like Allen Iverson and Glenn Robinson.</div>Missing Iverson is obviously a huge loss but Glenn Robinson has had little impact on this team. He has been a huge disappointment. He looks for his shot and doesn't distribute the ball. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Warriors problem is too many role players and not enough inside, outside scorers who are capable of taking over games.</div>Agreed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you say they are not impact players? Foyle is thier best defensive post player and Claxton is their best perimeter defender. Murphy averaging a double-double in the West is SKILL, no fluke. These players average a combined 39 PPG. They might not be impact players for the Spurs(which Claxton was), but to say they are not impact players for the Warriors is ludacris. </div> Impact players are guys who make a difference, Foyle is not a guy that does that and from what I remember Speedy got hurt only recently and at that stage the Warriors were already many games under 500 and out of the playoff race. Murphy was a double double guy last season but is still just a role player that can rebound the ball and give you maybe 10 points a game, nothing speical but soild. Speedy was soild for the Spurs and came to play in the finals but most of the season he was hurt and never really got consistant minutes. Yes the Warriors really could of done to be heathly but to say they would be that much better and in the playoff hunt had they been heathly is not correct to say.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yes the Warriors really could of done to be heathly but to say they would be that much better and in the playoff hunt had they been heathly is not correct to say.</div> For you to say that clearly shows how much (rather, how LITTLE) you know about the Warriors and the role our injured players have on this team. "Speedy was soild for the Spurs and came to play in the finals but most of the season he was hurt and never really got consistant minutes."- while he was injured a lot, whenever he DID play, he had a huge impact on teh team and was one of the bright spots on our team. He was starting to emerge as a top point guard with regular 20 point games and embarassments of opposing PG's, liek Gary Payton. Nick Van Exel, even when he was injured when he played, was a regular 4th quarter hero, even beating the Spurs with a 3 point shot. Early in teh season, when he was healthy, the Warriors were above .500. They just had a slide for a few games in the middle of the season, and they weren't able to recover fully from that. Murphy averaged a double-double in the WEST. Take any guy out who averages a double double, and you're going to suffer. For the Warriors to do as well as they did without him is a feat in itself. The Warriors remained a competitive team this year despite injuries to a number of their players. Murphy, Foyle (their defensive stopper last year), Claxton (their starting PG), Van Exel (their other starting PG), and even Dunleavy were injured at different points this season. The rest of the team was able to rally around the injuries and still be a respectable team. Just think how much better they'd be with them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">For you to say that clearly shows how much (rather, how LITTLE) you know about the Warriors and the role our injured players have on this team. "Speedy was soild for the Spurs and came to play in the finals but most of the season he was hurt and never really got consistant minutes."- while he was injured a lot, whenever he DID play, he had a huge impact on teh team and was one of the bright spots on our team. He was starting to emerge as a top point guard with regular 20 point games and embarassments of opposing PG's, liek Gary Payton. </div> This is not about how much I know about the Warriors but the players that are being talked about. Speedy was soild ...He brought a spark but to say he had a HUGE impact is not right. Speedy was playing well in GS but as I stated the Warriors were already 10 games under by the time he got hurt. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nick Van Exel, even when he was injured when he played, was a regular 4th quarter hero, even beating the Spurs with a 3 point shot. Early in teh season, when he was healthy, the Warriors were above .500. They just had a slide for a few games in the middle of the season, and they weren't able to recover fully from that. </div> NVE has always been a streaky player, he has his up and downs through every season but at his age you can't really expect to depend on him to produce night in night out, I don't believe he can carry a team's offense on his own anymore. In Dallas he had other guys to score and teams overlooked his presents on the court and at times left Nick to go cover Dirk, Nash and Finley...He took advantage of that very well but he isn't a go to guy anymore. He is a good overall point guard who can get hot not really a big difference maker. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The rest of the team was able to rally around the injuries and still be a respectable team. Just think how much better they'd be with them.</div> They would likely be no different, there is a reason why many experts picked Golden State to be near the bottom of the conference. Even if you had those guys heathly I doubt you would be where teams like Portland, Utah and Denver are right now. Point is the guys that were injured in the early part of the season aren't guys who can suddenly improve a team and make them win 5-10 extra games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Impact players are guys who make a difference, Foyle is not a guy that does that and from what I remember Speedy got hurt only recently and at that stage the Warriors were already many games under 500 and out of the playoff race. Murphy was a double double guy last season but is still just a role player that can rebound the ball and give you maybe 10 points a game, nothing speical but soild.</div>It still amazes me how you can say these guys are not impact players. So I guess Pippen was never an impact player since he was a role player? I know you really don't follow the Warriors so I don't blame you for not knowing, but these guys ARE impact players for the Warriors. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes the Warriors really could of done to be heathly but to say they would be that much better and in the playoff hunt had they been heathly is not correct to say.</div>They are five games back from the playoffs. You think they would have went on a 9 game losing streak after losing their two starting PGs? They had to put Dunleavy at the point because they were that desperate! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NVE has always been a streaky player, he has his up and downs through every season but at his age you can't really expect to depend on him to produce night in night out, I don't believe he can carry a team's offense on his own anymore.</div>I know that he is getting up there in age and thus is less consistent but he has definately been an impact player for the Warriors when he was healthy. He closed some huge games out against the Spurs, Lakers, and Kings...but those teams suck anyways. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They would likely be no different, there is a reason why many experts picked Golden State to be near the bottom of the conference. </div>LOL...when did you start taking what experts say to heart. Thats disappointing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even if you had those guys heathly I doubt you would be where teams like Portland, Utah and Denver are right now. Point is the guys that were injured in the early part of the season aren't guys who can suddenly improve a team and make them win 5-10 extra games.</div>Actually they are. There is a reason why they went on a 9 game losing streak once these guys went on the injured list.
No way Speedy is not an impact player because nobody can guard his speed and quickness. He'll draw fouls on most defenders every other trip down the floor it seems and unlike Iverson he'll drive rather than settle for the jumper. Plus he can pressure people on defense so the opposing point guard can't get down the floor as quickly and set the play up for his team as well. The guy's an impact player who was averaging close to a half a dozen trips to the free throw line each night and sending most starting front court players to the bench with foul trouble early in the game. The guy is just way underrated probably because of his limited playing time in the past and this season due to injury and the fact he was looked at as a backup point guard compared to Nick Van Exel. I was saying last year that Michael Redd, a shooting guard reserve, was going to be an impact player once he got major minutes and nobody believed my ass. Who's right now? The guy's a stud.
Claxton got the edge over Snow? I dont think so. Snow isnt the best defensive PG in the league for no reason. He would have Speedy on LOCK. Kobe even admitted that Snow is his best defender. Speedy got the edge over Snow ( On the offensive end). But other than that Snow would tear him up. Snow is a vet and dosent turn the ball over and make good decisions. Speedy has a little more growing to do. Thomas and Murphy. Thats what I disagree with the most. Just look at the stats. And another thing is that Thomas is one HECK of a player when AI and Glenn is out. When he becomes the go to guy on that team. He's one HECK of a player. If you watched the Sixers game lately. Expect the last couple of games. Then you would know what Im talking about. And McKie, Jackson and Dalembart would outplay the Warriors bench. I also forgot about the deadly 3pt shooter on our team. Kyle Korver. Dont sleep on him.
I would like to see Thomas average a double double in the West. Does he even average that in the east? We have a better freaking record with them playing in the East. There is a reason why the Warriors have dominated in most of their head to head match ups.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SBD:</div><div class="quote_post">Blame Iverson... </div> Of course and don't get me wrong, I like the guy because he's small and quick and has the killer crossover like Hardaway. I understand his frustration with his new coach and the lack of a father figure this year for him since Larry Brown left. But the guy is just the biggest primadonna in basketball and belongs on the Budweiser commercial with Leon the football player where there's "No 'we' in 'team' neither". Instead, he fails to recognize that basketball is a team sport and that starting or coming off the bench is a formality when you're the superstar franchise player. If Tim Duncan can do it he should be able to, but Iverson has proven he's a punk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course and don't get me wrong, I like the guy because he's small and quick and has the killer crossover like Hardaway. I understand his frustration with his new coach and the lack of a father figure this year for him since Larry Brown left. But the guy is just the biggest primadonna in basketball and belongs on the Budweiser commercial with Leon the football player where there's "No 'we' in 'team' neither". Instead, he fails to recognize that basketball is a team sport and that starting or coming off the bench is a formality when you're the superstar franchise player. If Tim Duncan can do it he should be able to, but Iverson has proven he's a punk.</div> Did it ever cross your mind that I was being serious?... :bigthumbu
