Keep in mind that Peja is shooting close to 50% and mostly from outside paint and beyond. True he could be a more well rounded player if he improved his defense and rebounding, but nobody's putting a "franchise" tag on him like they did an Allen Iverson or Steve Francis. Kirilenko is definitely not overrated. While his numbers on the offensive end would be considered "average" how do you rate his contribution on the defensive end? Keep in mind that he's probably changed more shots than he's blocked and that (although it won't show on the stat sheet) helps his team. If you're gonna compare Kirilenko to Brand or Randolph why don't you compare he's done for Utah and what Brand or Randolph has done for the Clippers and Blazers. You can't possibly argue that Utah is more talented than the Clippers or Blazers can you? Brand has Maggette and they're out of the playoffs. Randolph has Abdur-Rahim, Stoudamire, Miles and they're barely playing in the playoff hunt. Kirilenko has done a lot more with a lot less and, in this case, I don't think the numbers say it all. And if I had to pick who the most overrated player in this league is now, it would be Allen Iverson. This is a guy who most people on this forum picked as the "best offensive player" this season. This is the guy who's got the "franchise" tag written all over him. This is the guy who GM's are afraid to trade because they don't want to be the guy "who traded away Iverson". This is guy averaging Mid 20's shooting less than 40% a game. Any fool can average 20 points a game if they hoisted enough shots.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the baby Bulls duo Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry are two of the most overrated players in the League. Of the two, the one that has shown the most promise since last season is Eddy. But just take a look at his numbers this season (14.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.12 bpg) there's some improvement but they don't suggest a breakout improvement from last (10.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.77 bpg). And this is supposed to be his breakout year. I think Eddy's got what it takes to be an All Star, the sad thing is he doesn't work hard and doesn't play mean on the defensive end and especially rebounding. As for Tyson, he so far hasn't lived up to one of the Bulls' project franchise cornerstones. His draft class mate Kwame Brown is showing more promise this season (30 pts and 19 rbds vs. Kings) than Tyson has all his career. And Kwame had a certain young (and old) player killer named Michael Jordan. Tyson had two Jerrys. Given the pressure situation, Tyson should flourish faster than Kwame ever but he never does.</div> I guess I could understand Tyson being overrated, but I don't think Curry is overrated at all. This guy still hasn't lived up to his potential, and is still posting some good numbers with not much playing time. He's still only getting about 29mpg, and averaging 14-15. On potential people do expect a lot from these guys in the future, but I wouldn't call them overrated yet because both of them are still only 21. I really do think if Curry got a little tougher he could be one of the top centers in the league, if he isn't one yet. Tyson has the potential to be a very good defensive player too IMO, though I'm not sure about his offensive game.
I disagree with Chandler and Curry being overrated, because they're hardly talked about anyway. They're underachievers, to be sure, but let's not confuse that label with "overrated".
I'm surprised no one said Vince Carter yet. But then again, how can he be overrated when everybody criticizes him. I know some people won't like this but I think Baron Davis is overrated. He's shooting 39% from the field, is oddly poor from the free throw line (65% career), and jacks up way too many shots especially from three point land (#1 in the league in 3 point attempts). He's a great defender and also good at passing, but I don't think he's as good as people say he is.
As much as I love him, I think T-mac is a tad bit overrated in my opinion. He is one ofmy favourite players but people seem to overrate him. In terms of his stats, i obviously think he is amazing, but for a guy 6'8/9' he should be rebounding much more and he should work on the defense because at times he is a lazy defender.
I used to be a big fan of AI coz of his heart but I think this season, he's overrated. The Sixers (who's not supposed to win any games without AI) are winning without him and they're playing better team ball. He's not the same AI that led the Sixers to the Finals. He's not the same AI that you can live and die with. When everyone's saying that AI is the savior of the Sixers, that's overrated. And there's no way that AK47 is overrated. I have a simple equation for you, 5x5. If you don't know what that means, then I know why you're calling him overrated
Darko Milicic is the most overrated rookie ever. Book it. BTW- Whoever mentioned Kirilenko as overrated must be smoking some good stuff. Kirilenko's game about more than scoring (he can do that too), this guy is a defensive machine. If you call Kirlenko overrated than maybe you would mention Ben Wallace overrated as well. Like Nets said, "5X5".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Darko Milicic is the most overrated rookie ever. Book it.</div> Maybe before draft night but certainly not now, no one expects him to produce for at least 2-3 years. He's one of the youngest players in NBA history.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">But to be picked over Carmelo Anthony and Bosh puts him in that list...I'm just sayin</div> So is a guy like Caron Butler overrated just because he was picked higher than Amare Stoudamire? draft positioning is a poor way of deciding if a guy is overrated or not. The NBA draft is a take your pick event, you will either get lucky and get guys who play above what is expected or guys who produce as expected and last of all guys who never produce anything and are labelled busts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So is a guy like Caron Butler overrated just because he was picked higher than Amare Stoudamire?</div> nit picking, but Caron Butler was picked after Amare... sorry, i just had to say something. But dajuan wagner, he's weak. Wasn't he expected to be a good point gaurd? He seems kind of like a steve francis type.
You can't base it on draft position but getting picked with a second pick and contributing absolutely nothing does make you overrated. You can't really compare Butler and Stoudamire's situtation to Milicics and Anthony's. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Milicic is only a year younger than Melo, does it make that big of a difference? I'm just saying he's overrated to be picked that high.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dpballers913:</div><div class="quote_post">nit picking, but Caron Butler was picked after Amare... sorry, i just had to say something. </div> For some reason I thought Caron was picked at number 4th, that was clearly not the case but you get the point. You can't say certain players are overrated just because of their draft position. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post"> Milicic is only a year younger than Melo, does it make that big of a difference? I'm just saying he's overrated to be picked that high.</div> It's actually two years, Darko didn't turn 18 till a week before draft night. And yes age makes a big difference for a guy like Darko who clearly still needs to be tought how to play the game better on both ends of the court. If Darko was american he would be in his final year in high school, People fail to realise this.
I think it's way too early to say Darko's overrated. Certainly this season he hasn't proved himself but the guy is 18yrs old and came from Europe so it'll take time for him to adjust to the nba. Give the guy a few more years and a lot of playing time, then we can see what he's truely capable of. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be as good, if not better, than Dirk Nowitziki.
Okay say I'm born November 3 1979 and someone else is born december 3 1980, I still say I'm ONE YEAR older than that person right? Or do I say, I'm one year and 11months older than you therefore I'm two years older than you. I don't think anyone gets that technical. Miliic was born on june 1985 and Melo was born may 1984. Okay one year and 11 months older if you want to nitpick like that. Point is Darko taken over Melo and picked #2 for being an uproven player makes him overrated. He didn't even dominate his league, or even start on his team. Until he plays more than two minutes of garbage time a game I deem him overrated.
I know we all love Iverson, me too included and his heart and determination, but I've got too agree that he is overatted. People always talks about how well he can score? Of course you're going to score that much if you take 27 shots. Imagine Kobe, Shaq, Tmac (already did), KG, Duncan and many more capable players taking 27 shots a game, they;d be averaging like 35 points. Also I read someone saying he has to take the shots to get to the line, first when you miss a shot and are fouled it doesn't count as an attempted FG, second their are guys like Corey Maggette (45.1% FG), 6.2-13.7 shots per game, and 7.0- 8.3 FT Attempts (84.3%), 20.4 points. Iverson (38.7% FG), 9.1-23.4 shots per game, and 7.1-9.5 FT Attempts (74.5%), 26.4 points. Lets say Maggette takes as many shots and FT's as Iverson 10.6-23.4 shots per game, 8.0-9.5 FT Attempts, 30.2 points. (He makes 1 three per game) Third, I like Ivy, but if you're going to base so much of your game on getting to the line, at least make your throws, I could do an Elton Brand comparison too, he also gets to the line, but he's shooting 77.5%. Or a Shaq, KG, Duncan or Peja (without the FT attempts) one, but not neccesary. I really think Iverson's scoring is very very overatted, most people don't realize that he shoots a low%, but just takes a lot of shots, and he doesn't even shoot that well from the line. it makes me cry. I also don't think Kirelenko is overatted, more of underatted. I also heard someone saying Tmac should rebound more, he is getting 6.0 rebounds a game, Lebron is also 6'8 and only getting 5.5. Positions do matter in rebounds (more like willigness, look at Kidd and Francis), or if you're Shawn Marion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post"> Point is Darko taken over Melo and picked #2 for being an uproven player makes him overrated. He didn't even dominate his league, or even start on his team. Until he plays more than two minutes of garbage time a game I deem him overrated.</div> He didn't dominate his league, because he barely played and the reason for that was he wasn't allowed to. They had rules over there restricted their really young players from playing big minutes but when he got the minutes he put up some very impressive numbers Fact is you can't say a player is overrated just because he was picked ahead of a guy who can produce straight away. People who think like this clearly have no clue on what the word overrated clearly means. Pistons wanted Darko for inside presents as in this era you need a dominate big man to win an NBA title. Swingmen like Carmelo come around every year, players with Darko's supposed skill don't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I used to be a big fan of AI coz of his heart but I think this season, he's overrated.</div> That I agree with it. This season isnt his season. Injuries has plauged him this season once too many times. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also I read someone saying he has to take the shots to get to the line, first when you miss a shot and are fouled it doesn't count as an attempted FG</div> Oh yes is does. So explain how he went 7-32 from the field and ended up with 34 Points? FG are counted when you drive for a layupand if the ball releases your hand and is heading in the direction of the rim...THATS a FG attempt. But regardless if his FG% isnt so great. Getting tothe FT line is better than hitting a FG. But you do have a point in what your saying. This season he's without a doubt overated. But for the last 7 seasons he is no where near being overated.
Okay I said overrated for a rookie, not a player.. And you say that he didn't even get playing time on his team due to rules and all this but that leads me to this: How did everyone gauge how good he was going to be in the first place?? The fact is that this rookie is not good enough to get time on the Pistons team (even before rasheed). If the team was so hard up on his talent then they wouldn't be trying to re-sign two players who play his position (Okur and Wallace) to long term contracts in case he doesn't pan out. This dude is overrated as a rookie plain and simple. Upside blah blah blah, you can talk all you want about developing this guy but like I said before, "Until he is good enough to play more than two minutes a game, he is still considered overrated" I guess I clearly have no clue about the term "Overrated". In Darkos case, when the Pistons drafted him they SEVERELY OVERRATED his talent to be drafted at that position. Better?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting I3:</div><div class="quote_post">That I agree with it. This season isnt his season. Injuries has plauged him this season once too many times. Oh yes is does. So explain how he went 7-32 from the field and ended up with 34 Points? FG are counted when you drive for a layupand if the ball releases your hand and is heading in the direction of the rim...THATS a FG attempt. But regardless if his FG% isnt so great. Getting tothe FT line is better than hitting a FG. But you do have a point in what your saying. This season he's without a doubt overated. But for the last 7 seasons he is no where near being overated.</div> I'm perfectly sure if you shoot and are fouled in the act it isn't put down in the stat sheet as a FG attempt (it is put as 2 free throw attempts, or 3). If you make the shot it is put down as an attempt, but if you miss it isn't. If they were put as attepmts that Shaq wouldn't be shooting that high a percentage from the field. I don't remember a 7-32 game from him, don't think it happened this year, but he did go 7-23 one game (5-9 3PT), and 16-17 from the line, 35 points. In that situation his good free throw shooting covered the missed FG's. On a regular basis though, he doesn't convert a high enough % of FT's to cover up for all the missed FG's and make him have a good Eff FG%. Against the Raptors he was 8-32 from the field (1-6 3PT), and 18-23 from the line, in that case the free throws don't cover for the missed FG's because there were just too many missed.
