The WEBB Sacramento is caught IN!

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  1. King James X3

    King James X3 JBB JustBBall Member

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    Should Sacramento trade Chris Webber? This guy no longer looks like the TOP Power Foward he was prior to his injury, and I have to ask the question, is C-Webb on the decline? You've seen it before, Players look to be in the prime of their career than suffer an injury and no longer can provide like they used to. Alan Houston is a prime example. I would hate to see Sacramento get stuck with Webber's contract and I would hate to see him not be able to contribute do to injury.

    I would personally trade him if he does not improve come playoffs, while he still has market value. He looks like he no longer has explosive moves, and no longer has that strong lift in his legs, those signs don't look good. Sacramento has plenty of quality players on their team that can step up and play high caliber basketball, we saw it all season long while C-Webb was out. So why not trade him? Even if that does mean for a lesser player, at least you aren't forking out 10s of millions of dollars to a veteran player who seems to be injury prone. Just an idea, but I defintely think its one Sacramento should seriously consider.
     
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    Although I obviously cannot speak for the future, but I'd still consider him as one of the "TOP Power Fowards." It is tough to come back from long injuries like he has suffered, and IMO he has come back better than expected. I don't think he will be at 100% even in the playoffs, and I would definitely not trade him just because of this season. I think he still has three or four years of being one of the top left in him, and unless you want to get rid of his contract I wouldn't deal him. I was surprised to hear that Sacramento was booing him when he came back, and that's really tough for a guy coming off a major injury. If I were to trade him at all, it would only be because of his age and large contract with many years left on it, not because he is on the decline( and like I said I don't think he is on the decline anyway).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">Although I obviously cannot speak for the future, but I'd still consider him as one of the "TOP Power Fowards." It is tough to come back from long injuries like he has suffered, and IMO he has come back better than expected. I don't think he will be at 100% even in the playoffs, and I would definitely not trade him just because of this season. I think he still has three or four years of being one of the top left in him, and unless you want to get rid of his contract I wouldn't deal him. I was surprised to hear that Sacramento was booing him when he came back, and that's really tough for a guy coming off a major injury. If I were to trade him at all, it would only be because of his age and large contract with many years left on it, not because he is on the decline( and like I said I don't think he is on the decline anyway).</div>

    When he's healthy he's a top power foward, but he's simply INJURY PRONE! The last two seasons he's struggled with his injuries and it looks as though it's caught up with him. Perhaps he works himself back into shape and returns to his old self, but he's growing older and he's on the floor contributing less and less. It's becoming a problem trying to work him back into the lineup every time he returns from an injury, which seems like every few months now.

    Why take these chances when you have Brad Miller and Vlade Divac? You could trade Webber to aquire a younger and almost equally talented bigmen who can contribute every night and stay healthy? Rather than paying Chris Webber who puts your team in an unstable and uncertain situation both on the court and financially.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">Should Sacramento trade Chris Webber? This guy no longer looks like the TOP Power Foward he was prior to his injury, and I have to ask the question, is C-Webb on the decline? You've seen it before, Players look to be in the prime of their career than suffer an injury and no longer can provide like they used to. Alan Houston is a prime example. I would hate to see Sacramento get stuck with Webber's contract and I would hate to see him not be able to contribute do to injury.

    I would personally trade him if he does not improve come playoffs, while he still has market value. He looks like he no longer has explosive moves, and no longer has that strong lift in his legs, those signs don't look good. Sacramento has plenty of quality players on their team that can step up and play high caliber basketball, we saw it all season long while C-Webb was out. So why not trade him? Even if that does mean for a lesser player, at least you aren't forking out 10s of millions of dollars to a veteran player who seems to be injury prone. Just an idea, but I defintely think its one Sacramento should seriously consider.</div>

    You Sacramento fans are hilariously funny. Weren't you same people saying when Webber returns to the lineup, the Kings would be serious contenders for the title? Now you want to run him out of Sacramento? [​IMG]

    How would the Maloof brothers want to attempt to move Webber with that kind of massive contract he signed two to three years ago? It's impossible. And I doubt any team would be willing to take on that huge contract. What Webber has to do, and I'll take reference from the 115-91 massacre, Webber has to stop shooting those horrible looking 18 foot jumpshots, and get dirty and bloody in the paint area rather than stopping during play and pointing at officials for a foul. Webber hasn't been doing that lately, and that's why the boobirds are reigning down at him in Arco Arena.
     
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    Webber OUT, Songaila to starting lineup! [​IMG]
     
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    if they do trade him, who has enough Salary Cap for his contract?
     
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    They are not going to trade him. They are not going to get equal value back for him. His contract is way too big. Why are all the Sac Town fans turning on him? Yes he has had some bad games but this guy doesn't even have a half a season under his belt yet.

    Without him they will not win a championship, I'm not even sure they can win one with him.
     
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    I can't believe how many Sac fans are so quick to toss C-Webb out. Do they not remember where the franchise was before his arrival? He'll be back to top form probably halfway through nextyear, but if they don't stop booing him he won't be playing at Arco.
     
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    Who would you trade him for? Boozer, I dont think so.
     
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    don't know wtf is the fans booing webber for. give a guy a break! he won't recover that fast, he ain't kobe bryant [​IMG] . webber sees $$$, not ring. look at his legal case, jeez! don't even know why kings agreed on his big salary. sacramento fans are getting scared because lakers is back!!! guess who's back(back back), back again! mm
     
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    Webber is still hurt, It was obvious watching their game against Dallas last night. He should not be playing.

    The Kings real problem

    They are really missing Bobby Jackson

    he is the heart and sole of that team on offense and defense

    He is the ultimate energy guy, Brad Miller's injury is also a blow as with Webber playing like he is. They have no post scorer who can bang inside.
     
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    I think you have to give Webber the benefit of the doubt here because he did just come back to playing after a serious injury (like always). Its tough to play after a layoff that long, have no training camp and not have your difficulties out there. Like Allnet said, the Queens are missing Bobby Jackson tremendously and HE is one major reason they are losing.

    How are the Queens gonna get fair value for Webber after all of these injuries and a huge ass contract? Its not like teams are beating down the doors to acquire him. The Queens might as well live with Webber and wait out his health/personal problems because they cannot get fair value for him in a trade anymore.

    For those that don't know....Webber used to be money from midrange, thats what his game was based on. Take that away from him and he can't pass from the top of the key anymore
     
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    I see a bunch of Faker fans have come to visit us now that the Kings are struggling .....

    Anyways , put me down as one of the few fans of the Kings that knows we need Chris Webber to win a Championship ...But i also see things a little different then most fans ...What Webbers main problem is he is trying to do too much, and he is trying to put the team on his shoulders ....He is demanding the ball in his hands almost every time down the court ....And what that is doing is limiting the touches his teammates are getting with the ball ...Esp Peja ...Most of us knew Peja's numbers were going to go down once Webber came back ....and the weird part is that he is still posting good numbers even with limited touches ....The Kings need to make him the go-to guy untill Webb shows more dominance and controll in the paint....

    The facts are in the pudding ....Webber not only needs to look out for the better of the team , but he needs to let the ball AND the offence go through Vlade ...he is a point guard in a big mans body ....We need Chris to stay down low in the paint and try to work this rusty play out ....I have noticed that when he gets the ball inside the key , he has looked alot more agile (since he is not trying to get there off the dribble)....He is a rebounding machine if he is already under the basket when the ball is shot ....Te bottom line is this .....He needs to sit in back seat untill he can play like he used to be able too....He used to dominate most Power fowards ....But now it seems like he is getting outplayed every game by the opposing teams PF ....Last night ..Both Antawn Jamison and sorry ass Najera (or whatever)clearly outplayed him ...Blocking his shots , taking him off the dribble ...His defence is total crap right now ...he seems to be nervous when someone drives to hole right at him ...

    IMO , I think he is not fully healthy , and it MIGHT be hurting the team more then helping it at this point ...I dont mind him on the court at this time of the season ...but he needs to take the back seat a little more often , and at least let the offence run through Vlade ....That is what got the Kings atop the Pacific Division without Webber ....

    I love C-Webb ...And there is no way I would trade him ..NO WAY ....He will find his game and dominance once again ....It probally won't be this year , but next year , he will be ready to prove that he can still dominate and lead the Kings to a RING ...

    This post-season don't feel right with the way the team has been playing leading up to the playoffs ....We have had key injurys during this crucial Texas triangle ...No Miller or Jackson ....And the way things have been going with Bobby Jackson , this injury don't seem like it will be healed totally come playoff time .....

    Just another dose of bad luck for the Kings ...maybe they can pull together in time for the playoffs ...But that don't look likely ....


    The Bottom Line is ....Unless something drastic happens to the Kings this year ...They probally will be watching the Finals at home on their couch....And i hate to say that , but that is what I feel at this moment with the way the Kings have been playing ....

    Go Kings ~
     
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    I'm not a Kings fan but:

    Give the guy a break!

    oh and you can never go wrong with a 20/10/5 guy.
     
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    fakers? what an insult! nah, not really. i like Sacramento QUEENS better! do i see white flags? hmmm...
     
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    The King fans should give him a break. He isn't fully recovered yet. He will recover and might play like he use too. The Kings shouldn't trade and probably won't. He is having a bad season because of a injury.That isn't enough of a reason to trade him. He is still very valuable to the team. And it isn't because of him that they the Kings aren't playing well lately.A big reason is that Bobby Jackson is injured.He gives a lot things to the team.So it isn't his fault they are losing right now.
    C-Webb is still not fully recovered.So wait till he is, than the team should decide to trade him or not.
     
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    I don't think he should play more than 20 minutes/game at this point. He's noticeably slow getting around the court and has virtually no strength in his legs right now. I think Sacramento tried to put him back to full-time work too early, and he's struggling to keep up. Having him playing 35-40 minutes right out of the gate has destroyed the chemistry the Kings had with Divac and Miller at the foci (and the Kings rely more on chemistry than any other team). I understand there were only about 25 games left in the season when he came back, but the paradigm of pursuing a successful, complete recovery is that you DON'T rush it... I think if Webber hadn't received more than 30 minutes/night before now, they'd be a much better situation, and still have 8 or so games left to get everything in place. If they draw Houston or Utah they'd have the first round of the playoffs as well to put on the finishing touches.
     
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    I'll give my boy C Webb the benefit of the doubt, knowing that players tend to be slow coming back from a big injury like the one he did. But what I don't like is how he said that if the fans don't stop booing him, then he'll ask to be traded. You don't say something like that cuz for one, it'll make the fans boo more and two, you jus perform better, that's it. His first games back were great, so I guess these are just side effects from the injury. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now, but if he don't turn it up in the playoffs, I won't give him sh!t.
     
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    Yeah, I think fans have the right to boo people. Being from Chicago, the Bulls are obviously booed a lot but at times they deserve. Instead of reacting like C-webb is, the players here just accept it saying that if fans pay that much to watch a game then they deserve to see osmehting good. All fans deserve this, especially those in SAC I guess since the tickets there are more expensive. But, I guess what C-Webb said isn't so bad, I can live with it. It doesnt make me hate him either.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KingCarmelo:</div><div class="quote_post">Who would you trade him for? Boozer, I dont think so.</div>


    You know what that sounds like a good trade
    Boozer is putting up good numbers as of late
     

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