What Player Lost His Stock This Season? Who Has Improved The Most?

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  1. Ice

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    Allen Iverson has definitely lost stock this season. He's played through injuries his entire career and now it appears to have caught up with him. Also, he's said things in front of the media which has dampered his already tarnished reputation.

    McGrady's stock has fallen as well, but his reputation has taken more of a hit than his actual game. He's finally exposing the type of person he is: a 'me first' player. With all his talk to the media, he's only making himself look bad. He has a tremendous talent, but he's never the type of player you want in the locker room talking to the team. He'd rather tell the media how bad his teammates are rather than talk to them face to face.

    Stephen Jackson, Michael Redd, AK, Ronald Murray, and Zach Randolph have all improved this season due to their increased role and minutes during games.

    Yao Ming has improved this season as well. He's learning how do use his size as an advantage and he's developed a great low post game. Things might get scary for him in a few years when he really learns how to take advantage.

    Ever since Brad Miller went to Sac Town, he has brought his game to a new level. He is one of the reasons the Kings have won so many ballgames, especially during the absence of Chris Webber. This season he's averging a double double, in the west, going against the powerful PF's. Last season he only averaged about 13 and 8, against the weaker eastern conference fowards.
     
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    Brad Miller has shown that he can hang with the big boys in the west. Right now I would want Chris Webber coming off the bench if i was a Sac fan.
    Kwame Brown and Larry Hughes have made strides of improvement this year, mainly Kwame...he has shown consistency and effort, I look for great things next year.
    Zach Randolph, Michael Redd, and Flip Murray have all had wonderful years, they upped their games to the next level.

    Jamal Mashburn is getting old, he has been bitten with injuries a lot this year, same with Jason Kidd..I think he has lost a step, his knee is catching up with im
     
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    My man Jannero Pargo has improved tremendously, averaging 2.5ppg 1.1rpg 1.1apg 10mpg with LA last year and this year with the Bulls averaging 17.3ppg 2.3rpg 5.6apg 30mpg. The Raptors GM is the most retarded person in the whole world. Letting go of Carlos Arroyo, Jannero Pargo, Lonny Baxter, Rafer Alston, and Michael Bradley. All of these guys are starting show what they got. Baxter just got a double double off the bench with 12 points, 10 boards and 2 blocked shots. Carlos arroyo has improved about as much as Jannero Pargo. Rafer Alston has developed his long shot amazingly and Michael Bradley hasnt done much but ya he's a solid contributor off the bench.

    Stephen Jackson has improved horrifically the guys a beast, hes the sole player carrying atlanta. Jacksons last year averages:11.8ppg 3.6rpg 2.3apg 28.2mpg
    Jackson averages this year in Atlanta: 17.3ppg 4.7rpg 2.9apg 36.7mpg

    Kwame Brown has become much better at the 4 or 5 position. Brown has got to be good after all MJ did draft him. Browns averages last year:7.4ppg 5.3rpg 0.7apg 22.2mpg Browns averages this year:10.9ppg 7.4 rpg1.5apg 30.1mpg.

    Redd and Randolph havent really improved as much as people say because the only changes that have been made is their minutes, they get a lot of more minutes. They were capable of this all along.

    AK47 has been the success story of the year. This guy is a defensive monster and can play offense too.
     
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    how has vince's stock gone down? hes only missed 9 games. thats a huge leap forward for him considering his past 2 years. not to mention hes averaging 22, 5 and 5 (4.8 & 4.8 actually, but i think its fair to round up .2) those are pretty damn good numbers, how has his stock gone down? granted his team sucks, but i dont think that hurts his stock. if anything vince has proven that he can still have a relatively healthy season. LOTS of players have missed more games then him this year.
     
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    Vince isn't the same player as he was, I think thats why people have mentioned his name here. I managed to see him live when the Raptors played NY at the garden, he was very good but the speed to the basket wasn't there as it used to be, he settled for the outside shot too much in the final quarter. They recently showed Sixers/Raptors in game 2 of the playoffs in 2001, People that saw that game would know the difference.

    I said to myself

    I miss that Vince Carter
     
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    There's a lot of players whose stock has risen this season, but the one who's probably risen the most would have to be Yao Ming. He went from being a potential Shawn Bradley bust last season, to being called the next dominate player since Shaq in his prime.

    Carlos Boozer is another player that definately goes on that list. This guy certainly proved that every team in this league, except Cleveland of course, are fools for passing up on him in the draft.

    Even with the off-court issues, I think Kobe's stock has also risen. Even with his injuries he still manages to play the best ball in the league since the all-star break. And if the Lakers win another ring this season, that'll make things even better for him.

    As for Vince Carter, I also think that his stock did not fall. Yes he's not the same player he once was (I miss those days too), but if you compare his value now to how it was a year ago, you would see a definate improvement. People were saying that he was a lost cause due to his injuries and the other criticisms to his game, but this year he proved that he still has it in him to put up good numbers.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting PG2:</div><div class="quote_post">My man Jannero Pargo has improved tremendously, averaging 2.5ppg 1.1rpg 1.1apg 10mpg with LA last year and this year with the Bulls averaging 17.3ppg 2.3rpg 5.6apg 30mpg. The Raptors GM is the most retarded person in the whole world. Letting go of Carlos Arroyo, Jannero Pargo, Lonny Baxter, Rafer Alston, and Michael Bradley.</div>

    Even though it hurts to see another ex-raptor doing well somewhere else, I don't blame Grunwald (raptor's GM) for waiving Pargo. The raptors needed a PG that we knew exactly what we were getting out of him. That's why we got Strickland. And we had to waive someone to make room for him and Pargo was the best fit. He didn't have the on-court experience with other raptors that Palacio and Mason have and he didn't do so well when he was given the chance to play either. Same thing goes for Michael Bradley. I doubt we'd be risking to sign him in the off-season and we had to make room for Corie Blount so waiving Bradley was understandable. I don't blame GG for making those moves one bit.

    Letting go of Arroyo, Alston, and Brian Skinner are different stories though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Letting go of Arroyo, Alston, and Brian Skinner are different stories though.</div>You'll be saying that about Pargo soon as well. Palacio is a cancer they should have waived him before they waved anybody.

    Carlos Boozer has proven the haters wrong this season, he's playing extremely well. Boozer has potential, he will be one of the dominant big men in the league in the near future.
     
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    Still no love for Joe [​IMG]
     
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    Oops sorry, Joe Johnson also improved, I don't believe I said Amare and didn't say JJ [​IMG]
     
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    I think Steve Francis' stock has dropped this season...for a great majority of the year, he played selfish ball until recently, where he has performed admirably, altho I'm still not convinced...I'm gonna have to see some consistent play next year and smarter decisions as well...

    I think Peja Stojokavic's stock has risen, due to the fact that we're finding out hes more than a shooter...hes a pure scorer who can lead his team as well...second in the NBA in scoring, he was arguably the most responsible for holding the kings afloat during the injuries to Webber, Jackson and Miller...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince isn't the same player as he was, I think thats why people have mentioned his name here. I managed to see him live when the Raptors played NY at the garden, he was very good but the speed to the basket wasn't there as it used to be, he settled for the outside shot too much in the final quarter. They recently showed Sixers/Raptors in game 2 of the playoffs in 2001, People that saw that game would know the difference.

    I said to myself

    I miss that Vince Carter</div>

    yea, hes not the vince of then, but he hasnt lost that much of a step. iv seen him plenty this year, both live and on tv, and hes still a pretty damn good player, his numbers dont lie. his first step may not be as fast, but its still fast enough to take most defenders. either way, if anything, his stock sure has gone up from last year and the year before.
     
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    Veterans...
    +Payton,R.Miller,
    -Van Exel,Coleman,

    Run Of The Mill
    +Ratliff,Mcginnis,R.Wallace,Dampier,D.Stoudamire
    -R.Davis,C.Webber,Olowokandi,

    Young guns
    +Boozer,Redd,Artest,Dunleavy,Magloire
    -Butler,K.Brown,Stevenson,Wagner,

    for most of them i did 5 up and down players but i cant think of that many veterans
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">yea, hes not the vince of then, but he hasnt lost that much of a step. iv seen him plenty this year, both live and on tv, and hes still a pretty damn good player, his numbers dont lie. his first step may not be as fast, but its still fast enough to take most defenders. either way, if anything, his stock sure has gone up from last year and the year before.</div>


    i think vince is in the same situation with 2 other east guards in tmac and allen iverson, the talent around them just isnt fit for their standards, they need better players to compliment their all around game. Especially toronto, they have an invisible bench.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spaz:</div><div class="quote_post">Veterans...
    +Payton,R.Miller,
    -Van Exel,Coleman,

    Run Of The Mill
    +Ratliff,Mcginnis,R.Wallace,Dampier,D.Stoudamire
    -R.Davis,C.Webber,Olowokandi,

    Young guns
    +Boozer,Redd,Artest,Dunleavy,Magloire
    -Butler,K.Brown,Stevenson,Wagner,

    for most of them i did 5 up and down players but i cant think of that many veterans</div>


    LMAO cheers to your avatar
     
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    I gotta go with Steve too. He's been strugling the whole year cause he can't get us to Van Gundy's system. And Peja most improved for carrying his team to the best record before Chris came back.
    Krazygreen, your tat thread dissapeared right in front of my eyes.
     
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    vince needs to play smarter imo, too many jumpers and fade aways for him, and he needs to take it to the rim hard, idk if his step is slower or not, but i think one main reason is he isn't looking to finishing hard nemore
     
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    Getting to this thread late, but given that apparently no Celtics fans have weighed in yet, I have a name to throw into the mix for Most Improved:

    Mark Blount


    After slow and steady improvement every year, Blount has perhaps raised his FA asking price, from a % increase standpoint, more than any other playing in the league. The departure of Jim O'Brien has afforded Blount the opportunity to truly raise his stats.

    I know people will sluff this off as a contract year thing(like Dampier, who I truly believe is the case of playing for a contract), but if you take a look, you'll find steady improvement from Blount as PT and confidence has increased.

    Come the offseason, someone is likely going to pay more than the going rate for the 7'0" Blount's services.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady^1:</div><div class="quote_post">vince needs to play smarter imo, too many jumpers and fade aways for him, and he needs to take it to the rim hard, idk if his step is slower or not, but i think one main reason is he isn't looking to finishing hard nemore</div>

    Oh his step is definately slower, find some videos of before and compare to this year, even last year his step seemed faster than this year. This year its like he's moving so slow but still beating players [​IMG] , but when he gets in the lane I always wondered why sometimes he passed to Palacio (while he was playing) instead of taking it up strong, sometimes he has too much faith in his teamamates to make shots.

    lol and about Toronto's bench , is their a bench in Toronto, you like the 35-6 bench beating the Pacers gave us [​IMG]
     
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    Michael Redd has improved
     

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