Raptors Official Offseason Thread (Signings, trades, etc)

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    Does anyone think that Chris Duhon would be a good fit for the Raptors? This dude can flat out play defence. He may not be the prolific scorer that everyone in this thread wants but he can play both ends of the court as well.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone think that Chris Duhon would be a good fit for the Raptors? This dude can flat out play defence. He may not be the prolific scorer that everyone in this thread wants but he can play both ends of the court as well.</div>

    Agree, but I don't think he's a lottery pick, he might even sneak to the 2nd round ..
     
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    if we could pick him up in the second round it would be a godsend. I highly doubt it though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone think that Chris Duhon would be a good fit for the Raptors? This dude can flat out play defence. He may not be the prolific scorer that everyone in this thread wants but he can play both ends of the court as well.</div>

    I'm not looking for a prolific scorer, what I want is a guy the can SHOOT, get in the lane and create for other, and can push the ball. Gordon's handles weren't impressing me today, so many times he would lose his dribble without to much pressure, in the NBA if he's playing against a guy like Gilbert Arenas or someone quick like that he would've committed 7 turnovers.
     
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    The Raptors should trade down in the draft and try to dump Williams or Murray with the pick. The Raptors should take a strong look at Sasha Vujacic at PG. He is an exciting player and a playmaker the Raptors lack right now. Hakim Warrick's stock has been slipping and he could be a steal for a team like the Raptors. He would be a spark off the bench and is versatile to play both the 4 and 5. I don't see many immediate impact players besides Omeka in this year's draft, so the Raptors should look to trade and move down. They are in position to make the playoffs if they stay healthy and learn to play with one another. VC, Marshall, and Rose are more than enough talent-wise for the Raptors to compete in the East.
     
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    You forgot Bosh too. I do think that the Raptors have a good team that can get to the playoffs but they are seriously lacking the two major postions to get there (pg and c). Drafting Warrick would be fine but he is too small to play the five and drafting him would be getting another Chris Bosh who lacks an offensive game. I seriously think we need someone that can play right away either at the one or five. Not someone that can dominate but someone that is solid enough to play 20-30 minutes effectively.
     
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    lots depends on who ends up getting the first and second picks. lets face it, the raps are going to the lottery, and we got a chance at gettin right up there. if the bulls for example get the first pick, are they gonna draft okafor? if they do, do they trade curry? can we get curry that way? who is willing to part with okafor is the question, because the raps might have a chance at getting him.

    and to be frank, the raps are due for some good luck. landing the first pick is the good luck we been missing in the draft
     
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    Curry the stupid horrible defensive unable to rebound center who could be so dominant but onlt show signs at the end of the season. If we get the first pick, so Okafor I say we use him as trade bait to get something, I don't want Bosh leaving and Okafor can't be as effective as an NBA center.
     
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    If I were the Raps I would never pass up on Okafor. Doesn't matter if he can't play centre effectively, to pass up on him would be stupid. He would come in and contribute immediatley blocking shots, posting up. There is no way the Raps are passing up on Okafor if he lands on their lap.
     
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    I think what the raps need is some size, why are people talking about guards? sure Gordon and Nelson are good, but their to small, that is one thing the raps have enough of. Even though Okafor is small to play center he still a really good player.

    Alot of people here seem to hate Chiraiev, I don't understand that. I went to see one game, and he is quite fast for a guy his heght, and he can put the ball up the floor better then everyone on his crappy team (seriously his team is just horrible). I think he would he would be a good choice. But that is besides the point, forget the guards, the raps need size!
     
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    Steve Nash???

    i know our cap space is limited but do u ppl think we can get nash? if he wont accept such a low pay to play for toronto then what about a sign and trade giving away Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall or Alvin Williams or MoPete?....we can add in a few crappy players like Milt too
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone think that Chris Duhon would be a good fit for the Raptors? This dude can flat out play defence. He may not be the prolific scorer that everyone in this thread wants but he can play both ends of the court as well.</div>

    He would fit, but his shooting ability isn't as great as others, and hes not one to put points on the board. I really think we need a scoring point guard, Chris Duhon can barely fill the gap Alvin Williams left at PG, I don't think drafting him would be a good idea.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not looking for a prolific scorer, what I want is a guy the can SHOOT, get in the lane and create for other, and can push the ball. Gordon's handles weren't impressing me today, so many times he would lose his dribble without to much pressure, in the NBA if he's playing against a guy like Gilbert Arenas or someone quick like that he would've committed 7 turnovers.</div>


    All of those things you've listed Gordon can do.

    About your comment about his handles, first of all, how many times do you see full court pressure or really tight pressure during the course of an NBA game? Not as much as college, Gordon's handles are good enough to play in this league, also hes one of the 3 major PG lottery picks that can "SHOOT", get in the lane, and push the ball, I don't see why you doubt him so much. Many of the other PGs that have been discussed (besides Harris and Jameer), have defense and handles, not really the complete package I think the Raptors need.

    If Dwyane Wade can play PG for the Heat (who by the way was questioned of his ability to play pg), theres no reason why Ben Gordon, Devin Harris and Jameer Nelson can't play PG in this league.
     
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    IMO its either Ben Gordon or bust
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting thefranchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">He would fit, but his shooting ability isn't as great as others, and hes not one to put points on the board. I really think we need a scoring point guard, Chris Duhon can barely fill the gap Alvin Williams left at PG, I don't think drafting him would be a good idea.




    All of those things you've listed Gordon can do.

    About your comment about his handles, first of all, how many times do you see full court pressure or really tight pressure during the course of an NBA game? Not as much as college, Gordon's handles are good enough to play in this league, also hes one of the 3 major PG lottery picks that can "SHOOT", get in the lane, and push the ball, I don't see why you doubt him so much. Many of the other PGs that have been discussed (besides Harris and Jameer), have defense and handles, not really the complete package I think the Raptors need.

    If Dwyane Wade can play PG for the Heat (who by the way was questioned of his ability to play pg), theres no reason why Ben Gordon, Devin Harris and Jameer Nelson can't play PG in this league.</div>

    I didn't say he can't I was just stating what I wanted. The Gordon's handles thing was just something I notied from him, doen't mean he can't play I just felt he would struggle a little if he doesn't work on it. It wasn't from full court pressure it was in the half court set. I'd rather have Gordon than Jameer though, Jameer is not too quick, is small, is said to be difficult for his game to translate from college to the NBA, and I don't think he can become an All-Star in this league.
     
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    why couldnt okafor play center in the L? hes an inch short of 7ft. and hes got the frame and athleticism to do it. if he puts on a few pounds in the gym, he could be a great center. hes got all the mechanics, just lacks a little bulk. i think he could play center for sure
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">why couldnt okafor play center in the L? hes an inch short of 7ft. and hes got the frame and athleticism to do it. if he puts on a few pounds in the gym, he could be a great center. hes got all the mechanics, just lacks a little bulk. i think he could play center for sure</div>

    Isn't Okafor 6'9"? That's more than just an inch short of 7'...

    I think it's possible for him to become a center in the nba, but being only 6'9 will make it extremely difficult for him to score against bigger, taller centers. Antonio Davis and Ben Wallace are both 6'9 centers and have average scoring ability mainly due to their height. We would not be taking advantage of Okafor's great offense if he were to be a center and going up against the taller players. He is best suited at the 4 spot.

    Anyways, I agree with og15. If we have the option to get Okafor (which we probably won't) then we should get him and use him as bait to get a true center. We could also take advantage of this opportunity by packaging Lamond Murray with him.
     
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    I just realized this today...(friend informed, and RealGM verified). Even if the raptors get a lottery pick, othey must forfeit it (i think its too cleveland). If the raptors land in the top 13, they msut forfeit it.
     
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    ^ Are you sure about that? Isn't it the other way around? I thought our pick is protected as long as it's higher than the 13th pick (or whatever number it is). If that was the case then wouldn't we have surrendered our 4th pick on the last draft?
     
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    Our pick is protected from 18th and on, so we only forfeit our pick if we make the playoff as hte 5th seed or something. I don't know where you got that from, you think if thats how it was all the management wouldn't have already been talking about it haha.
     
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    Exactly, if we would be forfeiting our draft pick, we would have been informed by management and we wouldnt have so much talk about draft picks. How did real gm comfirm this? if it isnt true? Are you lying? 1st round pick: Ben Gordon 2nd round pick: Chris Duhon if were lucky.

    Offseason---- WE NEED A BIG mAN!
     

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