Wow I came late in this but I would've made the same comments Rudeezy and custodian did, you gotta do your homeowkr before saying stuff like that. It seemed more like you were angry that the Warriors played hard against the Cavs, if you've been following and looking at how they've been playing through their win streak and the past games, you would relaize it wasn't a one game thing. Pietrus seemed to spark the D on GS and they've been doing great and showing a lot of promise lately. Imagine Foyle, Murphy, Claxton, Van Exel (man you hardly played), Pietrus, man the whole team being healthy together, they could be in the hunt. Good game by Cleveland though, Lebron lit it up and really put up a good effort, and so did Boozer, the defense just wasn't their for them and they weren't able to match Golden State's play. The perimeter defense on the Cavs is extremely weak.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">What was that about an IQ test to gain membership to JBB again? Sometimes that seems like a mighty fine idea.</div>Yes, I have never agreed with you more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">How are they winners when they have a losing record? True winners never fold during tough times, record doesn't show that, it's something more meaningful and important beyond record. They're competitive out there, playing for a reason. Ever heard a guy on a losing team say, "I'm a winner"? Countless times. That's why they play great. The Cavs lose this time, yeah but they're still winners because they're fighting, clawing, pushing, kicking, playing hard every game. That's winners... they never give up because they know if they don't give up there's a chance for them to do sth special: playoffs, duuhhh! The Warriors also didn't give this game up, which is.... good if they would have played their entire season like the way they play lately, I wouldn't give you all Warriors a hard time huahahaha.</div> Do you ever listen to yourself or read what you write? It's been already explained why at times the warriors can be inconsistent, especially on the road and have been all year (deep injuries/overhauled roster/departure of star players), but the Warriors still play for a reason. It's called pride. Also the way you "explain" the difference between winners and losers totally contradicts your arguments about the Warriors not being winners. The warriors have tried just as hard as the Cavs during the season and to aimlessly say they haven't is ludicrous (not the rapper okay). Inherently you've implied that IF the Cavs are too far from making the playoffs, they should just give up, tank, and piss the cavs ticketholders off even if there is no postseason to be had (Maybe you are used to it, I don't know, but it sounds like you are and I don't think most real Cavs fans would appreciate tanking the season if that ever happens). Also think about compeition and that not only do the Warriors play tougher, bigger Western conference teams twice as many times as they do smaller, less winning Eastern division teams, they'd have to play without their star rebounder Troy Murphy, the top shotblocker Adonal Foyle, star player Nick Van Exel and many of the crucial frontcourt bench players that needed to last for 4 quarters and protect first half leads. Too many Warriors players were seeing too many minutes especially on a tough road schedule because they didn't have those solid backups and crucial starters or bench players to close games and take the work load/foul trouble off one another. But I guess I have to agree with Rudeezy that it's pretty obvious who we're talking to. Unfortunately, we lack the advantage of having "skin that thick like rhino". So forget about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr_Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. Anyways, Good effort by the Cavs today. LeBron did his thing again but in the end we just didn't have a good look for a shot. Warriors really locked down on Bron, Ked and JayK. Playoff hopes are gone, but all in all, the Cavs made a strong push to demand respect from the league and the fans and i feel it was granted.</div> As I said before in my original prediction. The game could have gone either way. Lebron is a star player and go to guy and he'll get even better when he gets older like Kobe. BTW did anyone know that the Warriors began the season against Dallas with only 8 healthy players, two of which were starting players? Well 9 total actually since Jrich got suspended for 3 games for a fight with his nasty ex-girlfriend. Lame. Right now the current rotation is 8. Could have used at least another center and maybe a point guard. All 3 point guards are down. We're having to use our small forward as a point guard. And our "starting" power forward at center at times.
Lets get this back on topic here. I was at the game and the Cavs in no way played well. I don't know why everyone has the notion that just because it was a close game, the Cavs must have played a good game. The Cavs have no defense whatsoever. The Warriors got to the hoop whenever they wanted and had wide open look after wide open look from the perimeter. I have never seen a bigger group of poor individual defenders. Everyone gets taken off the dribble so their only resort is to hack the guy and put him on the line. The offense continues to be the Lebron and Boozer show and thats it. Nailon can score, but he is too selfish and settles for way too many outside looks instead of moving without the ball and trying to get inside. Kapono played like trash. The only thing I can say about him is that he at least tries to move without the ball and find the seems, though he blows the easy lay up when he finally comes open in the middle. Newble, Ollie, Battie...same old. They may get a put back here and there or knock down a midrange once a quarter or so, but thats all you are going to get. If the Cavs don't bring in another scoring option that can shoot long range and thus open up the middle for Boozer and Z to operate, and give Lebron a break from having to initiate the offense and take the big shots EVERY time, they are going to struggle again next year. The Cavs also must get a guy that can guard the perimeter in the offseason. They need a Bowen/Trenton Hassel type guy. They said we were getting that in Newble, but we all know how that turned out. All in all, a very embarassing end to this season. Everyone is trying to take a moral victory out of this season by saying we improved upon last year, but lets be realistic, it couldn't possibly get any worse than last year. We did get better, but to get up to the 6th spot and win 7 straight just to turn around and drop 8 of 9 and to continue to come out in "must win" games and play uninspired, stupid basketball is totally unacceptable.
Its pretty lame when we go on a tear, & then fall short after MccInnis gets injured. Why couldnt it have been Lebron who got injured? We went 2-1 when bron was hurt, yet when Booze or McInnis were hurt we sank like a rock.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting redscoon:</div><div class="quote_post">Lets get this back on topic here. I was at the game and the Cavs in no way played well. I don't know why everyone has the notion that just because it was a close game, the Cavs must have played a good game. The Cavs have no defense whatsoever. The Warriors got to the hoop whenever they wanted and had wide open look after wide open look from the perimeter. I have never seen a bigger group of poor individual defenders. Everyone gets taken off the dribble so their only resort is to hack the guy and put him on the line. The offense continues to be the Lebron and Boozer show and thats it. Nailon can score, but he is too selfish and settles for way too many outside looks instead of moving without the ball and trying to get inside. Kapono played like trash. The only thing I can say about him is that he at least tries to move without the ball and find the seems, though he blows the easy lay up when he finally comes open in the middle. Newble, Ollie, Battie...same old. They may get a put back here and there or knock down a midrange once a quarter or so, but thats all you are going to get. If the Cavs don't bring in another scoring option that can shoot long range and thus open up the middle for Boozer and Z to operate, and give Lebron a break from having to initiate the offense and take the big shots EVERY time, they are going to struggle again next year. The Cavs also must get a guy that can guard the perimeter in the offseason. They need a Bowen/Trenton Hassel type guy. They said we were getting that in Newble, but we all know how that turned out. All in all, a very embarassing end to this season. Everyone is trying to take a moral victory out of this season by saying we improved upon last year, but lets be realistic, it couldn't possibly get any worse than last year. We did get better, but to get up to the 6th spot and win 7 straight just to turn around and drop 8 of 9 and to continue to come out in "must win" games and play uninspired, stupid basketball is totally unacceptable.</div> Yes thats what I said, the Cavs have horrible perimeter defenders, from Cleaves, to Lebron, to Ollie, to whoever else, Kedrick isn't too bad though. I don't know where you heard that Newble was a defender, but thats is the biggest lie in NBA histroy lol, he's known as a HORRIBLE defender, but a very good offensive player, just no defende AT ALL. Slap the person that told you he could defend, cause he was never and I mean never a good one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its pretty lame when we go on a tear, & then fall short after MccInnis gets injured. Why couldnt it have been Lebron who got injured? We went 2-1 when bron was hurt, yet when Booze or McInnis were hurt we sank like a rock.</div> Well because Lebron is pretty durable, but I hear what you're saying though, McInnis got the big men especially Z the ball in the right spot, cut down on the whole team's turnovers and was a leader/ floor general out their. Boozer just always gets is done and is the highest percentage scorer, and was a killer in the games while Bron was out. But it woulda been even better if no one got injured, but yes McInnis going out was bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know where you heard that Newble was a defender, but thats is the biggest lie in NBA histroy lol, he's known as a HORRIBLE defender, but a very good offensive player, just no defende AT ALL. Slap the person that told you he could defend, cause he was never and I mean never a good one.</div> http://www.hoopshype.com/players/ira_newble.htm and I quote, "a great perimeter defender...won't score much." I think you are the person that should be slapped. Newble has no offensive game, let alone a "very good" one. He may hit a 15 footer once or twice a game, but that is it. Newble was supposed to be our defensive stopper according to management, so apparently he wasn't supposed to be a "horrible defender." Come on, don't try to tell me about my own team...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting redscoon:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you are the person that should be slapped.</div> :thumbsup:
Ira came to the Cavaliers as a defensive stopper who could knock down some open looks. A little like Bruce Bowen. Well the effort is there on D, but not the stopper we hoped for. And that jumper he had in Atlanta, I think got left behind.
