Ok, I know this will be a random topic and quite probably someone already has done it in the past, but since I don't see anything, I'm going to ask the following: I'm going to ask about the best intangibles, BY POSITION. (effectively removing any player-specific homerism from the fold) When in doubt about what a player's official position is, please reference what his team or the NBA has him listed as (that should also remove debate about who plays where and where they should be playing) Please insert which player in each position specific category you feel fits best(in other words, the player that best fits that each individual category, not one player that best embodies all of them): <u>PG:</u> 1. Best passing 2. Best pull up 3. Best ability to penetrate and score 4. Best cross over <u>SG:</u> 1. Best defense 2. Best Long range shooter 3. Best penetration scorer 4. Best sportsman <u>SF:</u> 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter 2. Best Penetration Scorer 3. Best Defense 4. Best Showmanship 5. Best Finger-roll <u>PF:</u> 1. Best Positioning - Offense 2. Best Positioning - Defense 3. Best Boxing out 4. Best Finisher 5. Best Defense 6. Best Running the Floor <u>C:</u> 1. Best positioning - offense 2. Best positioning - defense 3. Best Blocker - Straight up 4. Best Blocker - Weak side 5. Best Post Move 6. Best Running the Floor <u>Bonus: League's Best</u> 1. Representative 2. Smile 3. Personality 4. Fundamentals 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost) 6. Corn-row Design 7. Tatoos 8. Signature Sneakers 9. Practical Joker 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV) Have fun!
This is a good topic, hagrid. I tried to stray from some of the more predictable answers, but some names are too obvious to ignore. PG: 1. Best passing: Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up: Mike Bibby 3. Best ability to penetrate and score: Steph Marbury, Baron davis 4. Best cross over: Marbury, Diddy SG: 1. Best defense: Manu Ginobili 2. Best Long range shooter: Ray Allen 3. Best penetration scorer: Kobe Bryant 4. Best sportsman: Mike Finley SF: 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter: Peja Stojakovic 2. Best Penetration Scorer: Paul Pierce 3. Best Defense: Ron Artest 4. Best Showmanship: Stephen Jackson 5. Best Finger-roll: Paul Pierce PF: 1. Best Positioning - Offense: Jermaine O'Neal 2. Best Positioning - Defense: Karl Malone 3. Best Boxing out: Danny Fortson, Carlos Boozer 4. Best Finisher: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan 5. Best Defense: Duncan 6. Best Running the Floor: KG C: 1. Best positioning - offense: Shaq (because no one can move him) 2. Best positioning - defense: Ben Wallace 3. Best Blocker - Straight up: Theo Ratliff 4. Best Blocker - Weak side: Ben Wallace 5. Best Post Move: Yao 6. Best Running the Floor: Brad Miller Bonus: League's Best 1. Representative: Yao 2. Smile: Ray 3. Personality: Ray (I see him more than most) 4. Fundamentals: The Big Fundamental 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost): Carlos Boozer or AK (rookie deals, though) 6. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV): Kevin Calabaro
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I tried to stray from some of the more predictable answers, but some names are too obvious to ignore.</div> It's going to happen, pretty much inevitable. My only hope for anyone responding to the thread was that they thought out the answers and didn't just blurt out thier favorite player for everything. Your answers are good and some were quite unexpected, which I like! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">4. Best sportsman: Mike Finley</div> - Excellent choice, IMO. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">5. Best Finger-roll: Paul Pierce</div> - Honestly, I've never thought about PP's finger roll. I am always enthralled at his ability to toss up a perfect tear drop shot though. I'll have to watch for it on Wednesday. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Best positioning - offense: Shaq (because no one can move him) </div> - I didn't think about that aspect when I wrote this. I guess I set myself up for that one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">6. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV): Kevin Calabaro</div> - Sonics? Radio or TV? Thanks for the response!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post"> - Honestly, I've never thought about PP's finger roll. I am always enthralled at his ability to toss up a perfect tear drop shot though. I'll have to watch for it on Wednesday. - Sonics? Radio or TV? </div> I couldn't pick which player has the best finger roll to be honest, as I never really take note of it (I figure most good offensive players can do it well). I just said Paul because I love his ability to get to the basket, and I know he has nice touch. And yes, Kevin is KONG's main man for televising Seattle games. I have a feeling we'll get a lot of responses in this thread.
Great topic Hagrid! <u>PG:</u> 1. Best passing - Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up - Sam Cassell 3. Best ability to penetrate and score - Baron Davis 4. Best cross over - Steve Francis <u>SG:</u> 1. Best defense - Doug Christie 2. Best Long range shooter - Reggie Miller 3. Best penetration scorer - Kobe Bryant 4. Best sportsman - Steve Smith <u>SF:</u> 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter - Peja Stoyakovic 2. Best Penetration Scorer - Tracy McGrady 3. Best Defense - Kevin Garnett 4. Best Showmanship - Shawn Marion 5. Best Finger-roll - Lamar Odom <u>PF:</u> 1. Best Positioning - Offense - Rasheed Wallace 2. Best Positioning - Defense - Tim Duncan 3. Best Boxing out - Elton Brand 4. Best Finisher - Dirk Nowitzki 5. Best Defense - Ben Wallace 6. Best Running the Floor - Dirk Nowitzki <u>C:</u> 1. Best positioning - offense - Yao Ming 2. Best positioning - defense - Erik Dampier 3. Best Blocker - Straight up - Yao Ming 4. Best Blocker - Weak side - Marcus Camby or Raef LaFrentz 5. Best Post Move - Yao's baby hook 6. Best Running the Floor - Jermaine O'neal <u>Bonus: League's Best</u> 1. Representative - Paul Pierce 2. Smile - Melo 3. Personality - Robert Horry 4. Fundamentals - Elton Brand 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost) - Malone & Payton 6. Corn-row Design - Allen Iverson 7. Tatoos - Dennis Rodman 8. Signature Sneakers - Original TMac's 9. Practical Joker - Malik Rose 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV) - Marv Albert
Great original topic. Something this forum has not seen in awhile. I added one more option to the centre and power foward position: passing. PG: 1. Best passing: Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up: Sam Cassell 3. Best ability to penetrate and score: Dwayne Wade 4. Best cross over: Steve Franchise SG: 1. Best defense: Ron Ron Artest 2. Best Long range shooter: Reggie Miller (Old school baby) 3. Best penetration scorer: Kobe Bryant 4. Best sportsman: Ray Allen SF: 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter: Peja 2. Best Penetration Scorer: Tracy Mcgrady (Had to add him somewhere) 3. Best Defense: Trenton Hassell 4. Best Showmanship: Tracy Mcgrady 5. Best Finger-roll: Tracy Mcgrady PF: 1. Best Positioning - Offense: Kevin Garnett 2. Best Positioning - Defense: Ben Wallace 3. Best Boxing out: Ben Wallace 4. Best Finisher: Kevin Garnett 5. Best Defense: Ben Wallace 6. Best Running the Floor: Karl Malone 7. Best Passing: Karl Malone C: 1. Best positioning - offense: Shaq 2. Best positioning - defense: Tim Duncan 3. Best Blocker - Straight up: Shaq (I can't remember anyone that dunked on Shaq when he tried to block them.) 4. Best Blocker - Weak side: Shaq 5. Best Post Move: Tim Duncan 6. Best Running the Floor: None of them 7. Best Passing: Vlade Divacs Bonus: League's Best 1. Representative: Kevin Garnett 2. Smile: Kevin Garnett 3. Personality: Ron Artest 4. Fundamentals: Tim Duncan (of course) 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost): Yao Ming/Lebron James/Carmelo Anthony/Amare Stoudamire (all of these rookies are severely underpaid due to the cba) 6. Corn-row Design: Iverson 7. Tatoos: Iverson 8. Signature Sneakers: TMacs red and blue shoes he wore to the ASG 9. Practical Joker: I have no idea, Tmac put really short shorts in Iversons locker at the ASG but thats really weak in terms of practical joking. 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV): I have to go with Marv Albert and Mike Fratello. Bill Walton and Steve something (Javie I think, but thats a ref) did NBC for awhile and I thought they were very entertaining.
<u>Shapecity:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2. Best Long range shooter - Reggie Miller</div> Wouldn't have been my choice, but even in the twilight of his career, he's still a dead-eye shooter most nights. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">4. Best Blocker - Weak side - Marcus Camby or Raef LaFrentz</div> Very good choices. I had both guys in mind (along with a few others) when I thought of the category. Too bad both have a history of being bitten by the injury bug. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Representative - Paul Pierce</div> Interesting. After all the (inappropriately aimed, IMO) flack he took after the last Olympics, I didn't think anyone would choose him for that category. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">8. Signature Sneakers - Original TMac's</div> Sorry, but I'm not a fan of any of his models. Not a big fan of Adidas made basketball shoes in general though, so that probably has something to do with it. Love thier stuff for Track and Field (I've owned specialty spikes in just about every T&F event at one point or another) and briefly had a contract with them to run over the summer, back when I was just finishing College. 2 ACL reconstructions in the 3 years following graduation put the kybosh on my 400m Hurdling career. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">9. Practical Joker - Malik Rose</div> Didn't know he was, but it makes sense. He's got a fairly reserved public demeanor and seems quiet. The perfect mood set up for a practical joker. He seems unassuming until it's all over. Thanks!
<u>CourtVision:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">3. Best ability to penetrate and score: Dwayne Wade</div> Rookies getting thrown into the mix early! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">7. Best Passing: Vlade Divacs</div> Intelligent additions like that are ALWAYS welcome, in my book! I agree, he's a great passer. <font color="Red">Wish he wouldn't flop so much though.</font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost): Yao Ming/Lebron James/Carmelo Anthony/Amare Stoudamire (all of these rookies are severely underpaid due to the cba)</div> I agree that the situation sucks for players like those mentioned, who are more than deserving of thier rookie salaries and then some. However, I think it's a necessary evil. Without that CBA clause intact, there'd likely be an extreme increase in the number of HSer's jumping stright to the NBA and with that likely comes an increase in the number of players who are out of the league by the time thier rookie contracts are up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bill Walton and Steve something (Javie I think, but thats a ref) </div> Like Bill as a person and player. can't stand him as an announcer though. "throw it down big man" is perhaps the most annoying call line I've ever heard. Also: I can't recall Steve's last name, but Steve Javie is not only a ref, but a bad one. Thanks!
Paul Pierce was the only player who showed up for the Olympics IMO. He took a lot of shots because everyone else was passing up open looks and overpassing to try and get highlight footage. I've admired Pierce for a lot of years and he showed a lot of courage after coming back from a near death experience. He's a clutch player and great at getting to the free throw line, a lot art in today's NBA. I still wear the TMAC 1's for outdoor hoops. I have 4 pairs of them to date and I'm looking for more. It's a clean look and very comfortable and durable. I'm not a fan of Adidas Bball shoes either, but they did a great job with these and also the Kobe's (indoor use).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he showed a lot of courage after coming back from a near death experience.</div> Good point for a non-Celtics fan. Most people forget about that. He'll be the only guy in the Hall of Fame with the distinction of being stabbed 16 times and not only living to tell about it, but playing the large majority of career, post incident.
I think the "Steve" you are referring to is Steve "Snapper" Jones. He used to broadcast games for NBC. He's now with the Portland Blazers broadcasting team. Courtvision how can you choose him as a Laker fan, the guy is the biggest Laker hater out there?
PG: 1. Best passing: Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up: Sam Cassell 3. Best ability to penetrate and score: Stephon Marbury 4. Best cross over: Francis SG: 1. Best defense: Christie 2. Best Long range shooter: Reggie Miller 3. Best penetration scorer: Kobe Bryant 4. Best sportsman: Ray Allen SF: 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter: Peja 2. Best Penetration Scorer: Paul Pierce 3. Best Defense: Artest 4. Best Showmanship: Stephen Jackson 5. Best Finger-roll: Tracy Mcgrady PF: 1. Best Positioning - Offense: Jermaine O'Neal 2. Best Positioning - Defense: Malone 3. Best Boxing out: KG 4. Best Finisher: Kevin Garnett/Tim Duncan 5. Best Defense: Malone 6. Best Running the Floor: Karl Malone 7. Best Passing: Karl Malone C: 1. Best positioning - offense: Shaq 2. Best positioning - defense: Ben Wallace 3. Best Blocker - Straight up: Shaq 4. Best Blocker - Weak side: Wallace 5. Best Post Move: Tim Duncan(when he plays the C) 6. Best Running the Floor: Shaq(when he hustles) 7. Best Passing: Shaq Bonus: League's Best 1. Representative: Kevin Garnett 2. Smile: KG 3. Personality: Malik Rose 4. Fundamentals: Elton Brand/Tim Duncan 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost): Boozer and AK47 7. Tatoos: Carmelo's are ok 8. Signature Sneakers: JOrdans, I dont care if he doesnt play anymore 9. Practical Joker: Shaq 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV):Chick Hearn, Late Great announcer
<u>Q Rich 3:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">6. Best Running the Floor: Shaq(when he hustles)</div> Whew.....that one was unexpected! Don't agree, even when he does hustle, but glad you prefaced it by including that comment. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV):Chick Hearn, Late Great announcer</div> Great Choice, IMO.
PG: 1. Best passing-Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up-Baron Davis 3. Best ability to penetrate and score-Baron Davis 4. Best cross over-Steve Francis SG: 1. Best defense-Bruce Bowen 2. Best Long range shooter-Ray Allen 3. Best penetration scorer-AI! 4. Best sportsman-Ray Allen SF: 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter-Peja 2. Best Penetration Scorer-Paul Pierce,Shawn Marion 3. Best Defense-Ron Artest 4. Best Showmanship-Stephen Jackson 5. Best Finger-roll-Rip Hamilton PF: 1. Best Positioning - offense-Jermain Oneal 2. Best Positioning - Defense-KG 3. Best Boxing out-KG 4. Best Finisher-Amare Stoudemire 5. Best Defense-KG 6. Best Running the Floor-Jermaine ONeal C: 1. Best positioning - offense-Shaq 2. Best positioning - defense-Ben Wallace 3. Best Blocker - Straight up-Theo Ratliff 4. Best Blocker - Weak side-Theo Ratliff 5. Best Post Move-Ilgalskus 6. Best Running the Floor- Bonus: League's Best 1. Representative-Samuel Dalembart 2. Smile-C Webb 3. Personality-KG 4. Fundamentals-KG 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost)Bobby Jackson 6. Corn-row Design-AI 7. Tatoos-AI,Amare,T-Mac 8. Signature Sneakers-AI 9. Practical Joker 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV)
<u>B-22:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Best defense-Bruce Bowen</div> I was waiting for him to be mentioned for that category. Nice catch. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Representative-Samuel Dalembart</div> Ok, you obviously know something I don't, so spill please. If you don't mind sharing, can I ask what made you choose him? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost)Bobby Jackson</div> Injury bugs had him lately, but he's a great choice, IMO, for this category. Again, nice catch.
<u>PG:</u> 1. Best passing-Jason Kidd 2. Best pull up-Sam Cassell 3. Best ability to penetrate and score- Stephon Marbury 4. Best cross over- Allen Iverson <u>SG:</u> 1. Best defense- Doug Christie 2. Best Long range shooter-Ray Allen 3. Best penetration scorer-Kobe Bryant (Kobe is known for penetration:lol) 4. Best sportsman- Michael Redd <u>SF:</u> 1. Best Longe-Range Shooter- Peja Stojakovic 2. Best Penetration Scorer-Paul Pierce 3. Best Defense- Bruce Bowen/Ron Artest (toss up for me) 4. Best Showmanship-Shawn Marion 5. Best Finger-roll- Richard Jefferson <u>PF:</u> 1. Best Positioning - Offense-Tim Duncan 2. Best Positioning - Defense-Tim Duncan 3. Best Boxing out-Kevin Garnett 4. Best Finisher-Rasheed Wallace 5. Best Defense-Kevin Garnett 6. Best Running the Floor-Kevin Garnett <u>C:</u> 1. Best positioning - offense- Shaquille O'Neal 2. Best positioning - defense- Ben Wallace 3. Best Blocker - Straight up- Theo Ratliff 4. Best Blocker - Weak side- Ben Wallace 5. Best Post Move- Yao Ming 6. Best Running the Floor-Brad Miller <u>Bonus: League's Best</u> 1. Representative-Kevin Garnett 2. Smile-Carmelo Anthony 3. Personality-Stephen Jackson 4. Fundamentals-Tim Duncan 5. Bang for the Buck (best worth vs contract cost) Boozer and AK 6. Corn-row Design-Allen Iverson 7. Tatoos-Stephon Marbury 8. Signature Sneakers-Allen Iverson 9. Practical Joker-Malik Rose 10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV)-Walt Frazier and Marv Albert
Point Guard: Best Passer: Jason Kidd Best Pullup: Sam I am Best ablity to penetrate & score: Steph Marbury Best cross over: Steph Best sportsman: Kerry Kittles SG: Best defender: Bruce Bowen Best long range shooter: Ray Allen Best mid range shooter: Rip Hamiliton Best Penetrator:Kobe SF: Best Defender:Ron Artest(trenton Hassell is coming tho) Best Shootereja Best Penetrator scorer: PP(Richard Jefferson will soon have this title) Best Showmanship:RJ Best Finger roll: Hmmmmm like the Iceman says nody finger rolls anymore. PF Best Positioning-offense:Timmy D Best Positioning:KG Best Box out guy:Karl Malone (who going to go for rebounds with him throwing his elbow & body around like that) Best Finisher: K-mart Best Defender:KG Best running the Floor:k-mart C Best Positiong-offense: Shaq Best Positon- Defense: Big Ben Best Shot Blocker- Straight: Theo Best Weakside: Big Ben Best Post move: Shaq(2 bumps to a smaller defenders chest & dunk. Gets no better than that) Best Running the Floor: Jamal Magliore seems to get up & down the floor pretty well. Best Passer: Miller/Vlade Bonus Best Representor: KG Best Smile: Never noticed Best Personality: Sam Iam Best Fundamentals: KG(would be Timmy D if he shot better from the line) Best Bang for the Buck: Voshun Lenard(Nuggets) & Trenton Hassell(wolves are both playing for the league min. Best Tat: Steph(that coney Island kid tat with his daughter on it is sick.) Best Corn rows: Spree corn rows use to be crispy but now its AI Best Practical Joker: Shaq seems to do alot of stupid antics with Media etc. Best TV/ Radio: Marv Albert(Knicks & TNT)
<u>Allnet:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">10. Team Announcer (Radio and/or TV)-Walt Frazier and Marv Albert</div> AHHHHHHHHH.......Dude, you're killing me. I just can't stand to listen to Clyde. Someone should tell him that he shouldn't use any words that he has to say phonetically. <u>Henacy:</u> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Best Personality: Sam Iam</div> He would have to, because he's got a face that would have forced me to feed him with a slingshot, were he my kid. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Best Finger roll: Hmmmmm like the Iceman says nody finger rolls anymore.</div> You get extra credit for finding a way to include Gervin in the Convo! "One thing he could do,......was finger roll." Thanks for the comments!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wouldn't have been my choice, but even in the twilight of his career, he's still a dead-eye shooter most nights.</div> I will alway look to him to take a shot I need...always. No one else (Except for Kobe...from midrange) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the "Steve" you are referring to is Steve "Snapper" Jones. He used to broadcast games for NBC. He's now with the Portland Blazers broadcasting team. Courtvision how can you choose him as a Laker fan, the guy is the biggest Laker hater out there? </div> Steve Jones and Bill Walton were the one of tmost entertaining pairs announcing regardless of whether or not Steve was a hater. Anyways, I can always like someone that can make Bill look like an idiot on air (But everyone does that anyways)
