my guess's for the MVP this year would have to go like this 1st: Kevin Garnett 2nd: Peja 3rd: Jermaine and my outside chance that should be right up there is Zach Randolph. he had an awesome start to the season and is putting up some great numbers.... i dont expect him to win it, but hes needs to get some recognition
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting purehoops:</div><div class="quote_post"> Btw I also read that the Pacers are winless on the road against the Western Powerhouses and a losing record.</div> But you must consider that the Pacers have at the moment a .714 record against West Teams. That's pretty good. But I doubt they would have it if they were playing in the Westconference. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post"> Maybe you could have made that case for him last year to win the MVP, but if a guy misses as many games as he has this season and his team only wins 20 games, you shouldn't even be mentioned about the award. Most superstars in this league can still win atleast 20 games even with a horrible team. If all you had to do was win a few games on teams with not much talent, KG would have been MVP the last 3 years.</div> You misunderstood something here. I wasn't the man who brought T-Mac's name into this discussion, all I wanted to agree to is that T-Mac is very important for his team as a player and if you compare him to the real MVP candidates he is perhaps the most important for his team. I also believe without him Orlando wouldn't have won more than 2 games, in this points I have to agree with timduncan021 (he brought T-Mac's name up) but imho T-Mac isn't the right personality to receive such an award because he really talked too much nonsense to the press. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ANiMuS:</div><div class="quote_post">Why isn't it a point? Did Jermaine's numbers last year, which you concur weren't any better than this year, make him an MVP candidate in '03?</div> I don't know about last season, I rarely followed the league. But I looked at TD's numbers and they were nearly consistent over the last years, except his first MVP season but in his second he put nearly the same numbers up as in the 99/00 season. When it wasn't a point for TD why should it be a point for JO? EDIT: JO wasn't a MVP candidate last year because the team record wasn't as good as this years. And I think as the best player statswise in the team with the best record you should be considered as a MVP candidate but still KG's numbers are far better than JO's. Still I think JO has earned some credit. But don't get me wrong, KG is my man for the MVP, no one else!
i stand corrected after watching kg yesterday lead his team to a huge win over the kings, i see just how much he does mean to that team. really the title of the thread was to generate discussion, but i still think JO should be runner up and the idea of tmac even being anywhere considered is a joke. how is he the most valuable player to his team? his team is the worst in the league, so how is he valuable? the team could only do better. plus he's missed a ton of games due to injury this season...again...where is the value? the idea of tmac being mvp is ridiculous, and only entertained by biased homer fans
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> and the idea of tmac even being anywhere considered is a joke. how is he the most valuable player to his team? his team is the worst in the league, so how is he valuable? the team could only do better. plus he's missed a ton of games due to injury this season...again...where is the value? the idea of tmac being mvp is ridiculous, and only entertained by biased homer fans</div> The following is a statement of a really biased fan: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Jermaine O'Neal = MVP yup...if he doesnt win it, i really think its an injustice.</div> Happy you changed your mind in the end. And clearly you don't have a clue what's going on in Orlando. T-Mac is the MVP of his team, without him they would be the worst team in NBA history. And the point with his injuries is just ridiculus. At the end of the season he will have missed 15 games, I can't remember exactly but at least 3 or 4 he missed because he attended funerals of people who were very close to him and he is on the injury list now because it doesn't matter now if he plays or not, so he just gives his body a rest. Coming now with the argument that he still should play is why I think he isn't the right man for an MVP Award: He has just not the personality (and this is also a reason why the Magic are this bad this season, he was never a real teamleader and they just had no real teamleader but you need one if you want to win games)! T-Mac with a better personality and at least making the playoffs would be in the top 5, but no one is going to vote for him this year. This years MVP = KG, and that would be an injustice if he didn't win it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Coranor:</div><div class="quote_post">The following is a statement of a really biased fan:</div> first of all, im not even a pacer fan. so how can i be biased towards their player? secondly, i even said and i quote "I stand corrected". anything else you'd like me to clear up for ya cheif? and btw...even if i was a biased jermaine fan...at least id have an argument, a legit argument for jermaine being mvp...he deservs it in every way that t-mac doesnt. one COULD argue that jermaine DOES deserve to win mvp...the idea of t-mac being mvp is pretty much laughable. AND to top it all off i even retracted my original statement, and said that mostly i titled the thread the way i did in order to generate some discussion. there is more to just reading my posts, let them sink in next time eh? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Happy you changed your mind in the end. And clearly you don't have a clue what's going on in Orlando. T-Mac is the MVP of his team, without him they would be the worst team in NBA history. And the point with his injuries is just ridiculus. At the end of the season he will have missed 15 games, I can't remember exactly but at least 3 or 4 he missed because he attended funerals of people who were very close to him and he is on the injury list now because it doesn't matter now if he plays or not, so he just gives his body a rest. Coming now with the argument that he still should play is why I think he isn't the right man for an MVP Award: He has just not the personality (and this is also a reason why the Magic are this bad this season, he was never a real teamleader and they just had no real teamleader but you need one if you want to win games)! T-Mac with a better personality and at least making the playoffs would be in the top 5, but no one is going to vote for him this year. This years MVP = KG, and that would be an injustice if he didn't win it.</div> i have a pretty good idea of whats going on in orlando...they are a terrible team. the worst in the nba if im not mistaken. hes the teams mvp...wow, what an accomplishment, on such an all-star roster too. every team has an mvp...however, i do believe that the mvp of the LEAGUE is just that, not the mvp of the team. no one was questioning t-mac being the mvp of the team, he most certainly is. one thing we do agree on, is t-mac's personality. its garbage.
seriously call me dumb or whatever...but i don't see why peja is considered as a mvp contender....he has so much talent around him....and he can basically shoot...and thats it and most shots i've seen him take in the games i watched was set up by his teamates. ...idk ...anyone want to clear this up for me
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with Hagrid, I see Jermaine finishing 3rd or 4th in the MVP race behind KG, Duncan, and Peja. KG is my pick for MVP because he's putting up amazing numbers despite the additions of Cassell and Sprewell. He's played every game and has the TWolves fighting for the number 1 seed in the West. He also leads the league in double doubles with 68, O'neal only has 42. Stat vs. Stat Edge PPG - Edge KG RPG - Edge KG APG - Edge KG STL - Edge KG BLK - Edge JO The Pacers have a better record, but I don't think the 3 win difference is nearly enough for Jermaine to be voted ahead of Kevin Garnett.</div> My god shapecity, you have really been p*ssin me off lately. You have zero basketball IQ. Stats mean nothing when it comes to MVP. Allen Iverson has never been a stats player, sure he can score, but he never has good percentages, assists, or rebs, and he has lots of turnovers, and he is a former MVP winner. MVP means the most valuable to their team. PERIOD. Throw the stats out the window, cause if Indy didn't have JO this year, they wouldn't be where they are. I don't know why you get so much respect on this site, you have shown over and over again, that you don't know squat about ball. HIT THE SHOWERS.
as great as j oneal was garnett was better. but i agree with you that he deserves to be MVP, its just that KG desrves it more. Heck id rather see Jermaine get it.
Without KG, the Wolves would be at the gutter of the Western Conference, (possibly even the East, if the Wolves were in the East). The Pacers won all four of their games without JO. Kevin Garnett last year had a better MVP argument than JO this year.
I'm really tired of showing how dumb people are in this website. What did Minny do before this year? NOTHIN. Now that sammy and spree are on the team, they are battling for first in the tough west. Don't tell me its all KG.
wat are u talking about? they made the playoffs maybe not muc of an accomplishment but still. and he was better than duncan last year. even tho neither should hav been mvp. mcgrady was the mvp. he was the mvp not the leader. darrel armstrong was leader, but he brought them to the playoffs. sorry about being off topic. KG = MVP.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm really tired of showing how dumb people are in this website. What did Minny do before this year? NOTHIN. Now that sammy and spree are on the team, they are battling for first in the tough west. Don't tell me its all KG.</div> 4th seed last year without Cassell and Sprewell. You take Garnett from last seasons team, you are talking out of the playoffs (which is a 4-6 team standing difference) this year with Cassell and Sprewell they are a #1 which is a 3 team standing difference. Numbers, Team Standing, Team Leadership, Garnett has everything in his favor this season. There should be absolutly no reason he doesnt win it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">My god shapecity, you have really been p*ssin me off lately. You have zero basketball IQ. I don't know why you get so much respect on this site, you have shown over and over again, that you don't know squat about ball. HIT THE SHOWERS.</div> whoa there sparky.. Unless im drunk or something, he made a good post. And- He owns the site I didnt know he smells bad though..Thanks for that info
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm really tired of showing how dumb people are in this website. What did Minny do before this year? NOTHIN. Now that sammy and spree are on the team, they are battling for first in the tough west. Don't tell me its all KG.</div> Then start looking for a new forum. Stats might not matter to you, even if you don't look at that KG deserves the MVP over O'Neal. He has hit big shots for his team, come up with key defensive stops and has taken leadership of the team. When I watch the Indiana Pacers I see more leadership out of Ron Artest than O'Neal, and Reggie Miller is still the one who hits the big shots at the end of games. Not trying to take anything away from what Jermaine has done this season, but Garnett is MVP without a question this season IMO.
Yes, this is a re-post. But the argument that was made AT the All-Star break still stands. What you say is true. How about "THE MIDSEASON MVP=Kevin Garnett" . Check this out... Ranks #4-Points Per Game(24.8) Ranks #1-Rebounds Per Game(14.0) Ranks #11-Field-Goal Percentage(0.495) Ranks #7-Blocks Per Game(2.31) Ranks #8-Minutes Per Game(39.8) Ranks #6-Minutes Played(2069.0) Ranks #1-Field Goals Made(536.0) Ranks #2-Field Goal Attempts(1082.0) Ranks #18-Free Throw Attempts(279.0) Ranks #8-Offensive Rebounds(166.0) Ranks #9-Offensive Rebounds (3.2) Ranks #1-Defensive Rebounds(561.0) Ranks #1-Defensive Rebounds (10.8)Ranks #1-Total Rebounds(727.0) Ranks #6-Blocks(120.0) Ranks #2-Points(1287.0) Ranks #1-Double-doubles(46.0) Ranks #2-Triple-doubles(2.0) Ranks #1-Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(12.43)Ranks #4-Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(25.1) Ranks #1-Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(13.0)Ranks #3-Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(16.9) Ranks #4-Points Per 48 Minutes(29.9)Ranks #1-Total Efficiency Points(1715.0) Ranks #1-Efficiency Ranking(32.98)Ranks #1-Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(39.79) ....And these numbers are consistent if not better now. If your looking for stats, these should help. If your looking towards records.....Please compare the East to the West in difficulty and playoff team records. Looking for leadership, Cassell wouldn't have been focused in the Sac game if KG didn't berate him. You gotta remember, Sprewell is not the same player he was in the Knick finals period. Cassell doesn't hit shots (OPEN SHOTS) is KG is not so intimidating that opposition has to respect him and stay close. If you read my earlier post, I am pro-O'Neal....just not ahead of KG. I feel if KG would falter and lose the Division, O'Neal gets it. But only a fool would consider the East and West of equal caliber IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm really tired of showing how dumb people are in this website. </div>
I chose Kevin Garnett for MVP. He should of clearly won it last season, and the year before that Jason Kidd should of won it. If KG does win it this season, can someone explain to me why he did not win last season? Last season he did not have a good support cast in my opinion but this year he is surrounded by both Latrell and Casell. His numbers are slightly down from last season since this season he has a better supporting cast.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CorneliusW:</div><div class="quote_post">I chose Kevin Garnett for MVP. He should of clearly won it last season, and the year before that Jason Kidd should of won it. If KG does win it this season, can someone explain to me why he did not win last season? Last season he did not have a good support cast in my opinion but this year he is surrounded by both Latrell and Casell. His numbers are slightly down from last season since this season he has a better supporting cast.</div>I agree that Kidd deserved it two years ago, but TD deserved it last year. KG was derserving as well but it came down to respect, the respect you get after winning a championship, or getting out of the first round for that matter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">yup...if he doesnt win it, i really think its an injustice. with only 4 pacer games left, against toronto, jersey, philly and chicago, they'll likely win at LEAST 3, and finnish with the best record in the L. although KG has had a phenomenal season...the pacers have a better record, and dont have even close to the surrounding cast KG has in mini. i mean they start jeff foster, and lets face it, hes pretty much a 2nd string player, whos been doing an ok job starting jermaine has led his team...a weaker team then they had last year, to the best record in the nba.</div> i think jermaine oneal= mvp of the eastern conference because how can you have an mvp from a weak eastern conference when there is KG who's team is in the number 1 spot leads the league in rebounds is 4th in points per game and has really carried his team in a far more advance western conference
MVP of the Eastern Conference just means you get to be this year's Jason Kidd--thus, it means nothing.
