I've been trying not to blame him for the Kings' sudden change of play, but now it's too plain to see. His shot selection is bad and I know before he could hit that 15 footer, but now for some reason he can't. When he's open and he gets the ball passed to him, instead of getting dirty in the paint, he'll take a jumper he can't even make and he won't even drop a dime to someone who got a better chance for the field goal. He kinda messes up the Kings' unselfish style of play. It showed all too well in the Kings/Suns game last night. I mean, he puts up like 20 points a night or so, but on like 8-18 shooting so it's bitter sweet. And I ain't diggin his attitude too much neither. He acts like he doesn't care and you can kinda tell by his body language that he probably doesn't. And in the Kings/Lakers game the other week, when he delayed the game, I forget if it was because he was hurt or if it was because he thought he was fouled. His attitude is bad and it looks like it's spreading. When the Kings play now, I don't see the fire and the passion they had before he came back. The stats tell the story. They're 10-9 with him in the lineup. I think Rick Adelman should try something different and start Brad Miller. Just try it for one game at least. It was working before. If it works, then just leave it that way. If Webber resents it, then he can leave. If he doesn't wanna do what's best for the team, then he doesn't belong in Sac Town. Brad Miller's value for the Kings just shot way up, cuz without him we would just have to deal with Webber's problems. Maybe Webber just took it too fast coming back from an injury, so having him come off the bench will allow him to take it slower.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">His shot selection is bad and I know before he could hit that 15 footer, but now for some reason he can't.</div> His shot selection isn't bad, it's mainly the same SHOT selection as before but now he isn't playing in the post because he's still not 100%. These shots are in his range, he's hit them his whole career. The reason the percentage is down is because he's shooting more of them, and not balancing out his average percentage with low post play. That of course is because of his lack of lift in his legs and his lack of explosiveness which doesn't allow him to be the dominate force he once was. Less to do with the shots he's taking, because he can hit those, and more to do with the fact that he doesn't have the easy buckets to even it out. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When he's open and he gets the ball passed to him, instead of getting dirty in the paint, he'll take a jumper he can't even make </div> What do you expect of this guy? He's not Hulk, he can't just explode whenever he wants. He's INJURIED! He hasn't played in nearly a year and he's trying to get himself back into shape. With those kind of situations working against him, how is he suppose to get "dirty" in the paint. He can't be explosive, he has no lift in his legs, and he can't be dominate. So playing in the post right now isn't as effective as it used to be and at this point it's probably just as effective as shooting the 15 footer. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he won't even drop a dime to someone who got a better chance for the field goal.</div> What? Chris is one of the best passing bigmen in this league. Even with the injury he's still averaging 5 assists per game. You won't find many power foward or centers with better assists numbers than that, trust me! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He kinda messes up the Kings' unselfish style of play. It showed all too well in the Kings/Suns game last night.</div> Chris Webber isn't selfish, he and Sacramento both know that in order to win a championship he has to be 100 percent. That's why he's being "selfish", if you can call it that when he's averaging 5 assists. He has to get the shots and the touches in order to work himself back into the team and more importantly work his game back to where it used to be. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And I ain't diggin his attitude too much neither. He acts like he doesn't care and you can kinda tell by his body language that he probably doesn't. And in the Kings/Lakers game the other week, when he delayed the game, I forget if it was because he was hurt or if it was because he thought he was fouled. His attitude is bad and it looks like it's spreading.</div> Attitude? The only attitude Chris Webber has is the kind that leads his team, he's a natural leader and he has always been so on Sacramento. As for his "body language" and him "not caring" your right he shouldn't. Should he become passive and get upset that he's not playing well right now? Why get discouraged, it's natural to be a step back from where you once were when your coming off an injury. He knows that, so what do you want him to do, cry? Crying about it or being upset with himself is going to get him back into shape, dealing with the fact that he's a step slower and just keeping working hard is what's going to improve his game. As for that foul situation against The Lakers, he got punched in the face by Malone and the ref didn't call a foul. He held the ball to send a message to the ref rather than fighting back with Malone or wasting a time out. I would have done the same thing, Malone has a history of playing dirty and Webber was letting the officals know to watch Karl Malone. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They're 10-9 with him in the lineup. I think Rick Adelman should try something different and start Brad Miller. Just try it for one game at least. It was working before. If it works, then just leave it that way.</div> Why? They can't win a championship without a healthy Chris Webber and everyone including Rick knows that. The only way Webber is going to get in peak physical condition and get his game to where it used to be is by getting starting minutes and working himself back into form. Sitting on the bench is not going to help his recovery, and in the long run it won't help Sacramento. There's a little saying, you have to take 1 step back to take 2 steps foward, I think Sacramento and Webber understood that and they're willing to deal with the setback in the present to succeed in the future. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Webber resents it, then he can leave. If he doesn't wanna do what's best for the team, then he doesn't belong in Sac Town.</div> This is what's best for the team, that's why he's still starting.
The bottom line is Webber shouldn't be taking jumpers AT ALL unless he's WIDE open...because he's surrounded by some of the best shooters in the league. The Kings will ultimately fail in the playoff run without him but he does NOT help the team by taking more 18' shots than Peja.
It sucks seeing Chris getting taken to the rack everytime his guy faces him up, his lateral movement is damn near nonexistent. KG was taking it to him at will the other day. He is very hesitant to hit the glass in a crowd, and his jumping ability has been significantly affected. Not that he was ever accused of jumping out of the gym before. It's common knowledge that the Kings need him, 100% healthy, if they want to make a run at the title, but at this point I think he is hurting the team.
It's kinda sad to hear the fans boo him. I mean it's like they forgot that he is the biggest reason why their franchised has turned around. Fans are so use to winning, that they forgot who got them their. I mean he is messing up the chemistry missing so many games and all. He just needs to get healthy, and they should be fine. I know he isn't playing well, but the fans could go without booing him.
Ok, I think he can be a liability at times. The times that he can be are, like, down the stretch when you see him jacking up the jumper instead of Bibby or Peja. That's what I don't like. Cause, in those situations, unless you're wide open, don't take it. Plus, I realize he's not 100%, but, go to the paint a little more and establish yourself a little more. That's about all. I like the fact that his assists are at 5 per game, his rebounding isn't what it could be, I think it's like, 8.7, something like that. His FG% sitting at 41% bothers me, but, yea, not healthy. I think that it might almost be smart for him to sit out the rest of the season to get fully healthy for a playoff run, but, again, my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">His shot selection isn't bad, it's mainly the same SHOT selection as before but now he isn't playing in the post because he's still not 100%. These shots are in his range, he's hit them his whole career. The reason the percentage is down is because he's shooting more of them, and not balancing out his average percentage with low post play. That of course is because of his lack of lift in his legs and his lack of explosiveness which doesn't allow him to be the dominate force he once was. Less to do with the shots he's taking, because he can hit those, and more to do with the fact that he doesn't have the easy buckets to even it out. What do you expect of this guy? He's not Hulk, he can't just explode whenever he wants. He's INJURIED! He hasn't played in nearly a year and he's trying to get himself back into shape. With those kind of situations working against him, how is he suppose to get "dirty" in the paint. He can't be explosive, he has no lift in his legs, and he can't be dominate. So playing in the post right now isn't as effective as it used to be and at this point it's probably just as effective as shooting the 15 footer. What? Chris is one of the best passing bigmen in this league. Even with the injury he's still averaging 5 assists per game. You won't find many power foward or centers with better assists numbers than that, trust me! Chris Webber isn't selfish, he and Sacramento both know that in order to win a championship he has to be 100 percent. That's why he's being "selfish", if you can call it that when he's averaging 5 assists. He has to get the shots and the touches in order to work himself back into the team and more importantly work his game back to where it used to be. Attitude? The only attitude Chris Webber has is the kind that leads his team, he's a natural leader and he has always been so on Sacramento. As for his "body language" and him "not caring" your right he shouldn't. Should he become passive and get upset that he's not playing well right now? Why get discouraged, it's natural to be a step back from where you once were when your coming off an injury. He knows that, so what do you want him to do, cry? Crying about it or being upset with himself is going to get him back into shape, dealing with the fact that he's a step slower and just keeping working hard is what's going to improve his game. As for that foul situation against The Lakers, he got punched in the face by Malone and the ref didn't call a foul. He held the ball to send a message to the ref rather than fighting back with Malone or wasting a time out. I would have done the same thing, Malone has a history of playing dirty and Webber was letting the officals know to watch Karl Malone. Why? They can't win a championship without a healthy Chris Webber and everyone including Rick knows that. The only way Webber is going to get in peak physical condition and get his game to where it used to be is by getting starting minutes and working himself back into form. Sitting on the bench is not going to help his recovery, and in the long run it won't help Sacramento. There's a little saying, you have to take 1 step back to take 2 steps foward, I think Sacramento and Webber understood that and they're willing to deal with the setback in the present to succeed in the future. This is what's best for the team, that's why he's still starting.</div> Chris Webber averages five assists per game. Okay. But I'm talking about when he selects a bad shot to take and he doesn't drop the dime to someone more capable than him of making the FG. I ain't even gotta tell it to you man, you could see it for yourself in the Suns game. We were chewing down on that lead and I forget who passed him the ball, but instead of driving, he took a jumper and missed. As for the ref situation, if the ref doesn't call a foul, there's nothing you can do about it. You play on. The refs don't care what the player thinks. Refereeing is their job and no one can tell them how to do it. Yes, Webber got fouled that time, but delaying the game wasn't nessecary. The ref wasn't going to call the foul then and he wasn't going to start watching Malone because of Webber. You said the reason the percentage is down is because he's shooting more jumpers. Exactly. That's what I'm trippin over. You said he can't drive because he's not 100% yet. Well if it isn't, then he shouldn't have come back yet. As for his attitude. No, I didn't say he should start crying. There's a difference between Webber's attitude and a leader's attitude. A leader's attitude is one like Kevin Garnett's. Webber said if the fans don't stop booing him then he'll ask to be traded. Is that a "leader's attitude"? He couldn't even admit that he was playing bad. And please, if he wasn't playing bad, the ARCO fans wouldn't be booing. Again, going back to the Suns game, when Webber was on the court, the offense was slow. When he was on the bench, it became alive again and they dropped more assists. Why is he still starting? I guess cuz Adelman believes that it's just injury side effects, or he's just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why don't you ask him? Well, his performance against the Fakers was off the hook so maybe the old C Webb is coming back.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for the ref situation, if the ref doesn't call a foul, there's nothing you can do about it. You play on. The refs don't care what the player thinks. Refereeing is their job and no one can tell them how to do it.</div> Are you serious? If you honestly believe that than you must not watch basketball too often. There's a little thing in this league called a "makeup foul", Also referred to as a "makeup call". Perhaps you've heard of it... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You said he can't drive because he's not 100% yet. Well if it isn't, then he shouldn't have come back yet.</div> He shouldn't have came back yet? How else is he going to get back into shape? How else do you want Sacramento to win a championship? Fact is Chris isn't going to get his game back to where it used to be by sitting on the bench in a suit, court time and quality minutes on the floor is what it's going to take. When you sit out for nearly a year with an injury, alot changes. Webber needs that court time to refind his role on the team, and more importantly get himself back into shape. You can't just snap your fingers after an injury and play the way you used to, it just doesn't work that way. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Webber said if the fans don't stop booing him then he'll ask to be traded. Is that a "leader's attitude"?</div> Webber never asked to be traded or threaten to for that matter. He was simply offended that fans, like yourself, don't seem to understand the situation at hand. You can't seem to comprehend the fact that Sacramento needs a healthy Chris Webber to win a championship. The only way Webber is going to get healthy is by working himself back into form and working himself back into the team. Even if that means taking a step backwards to take two steps foward, deal with it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He couldn't even admit that he was playing bad.</div> Where are you coming up with these assumptions? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, his performance against the Fakers was off the hook so maybe the old C Webb is coming back.</div> This is exactly what I have a problem with. Fans boo him when he's doing bad and praise him when he's doing well. How pathetic, that's not a true fan. Understand that he's working his way back from an injury, it takes time, but it will pay off in the long run. Rick understands it, real SAC fans understand it, and more importantly Webber understands it. It's not anything to worry about, it's not anything to get discouraged about. If it's a setback that SAC must go through to contend for a title than it's certainly a setback I'm willing to deal with. Would you rather keep Webber on the bench so you can win now and lose later? Or would you rather drop a few games now so you can work Webber back into the team and win later when it counts?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? If you honestly believe that than you must not watch basketball too often. There's a little thing in this league called a "makeup foul", Also referred to as a "makeup call". Perhaps you've heard of it...</div> Well the ref didn't call no makeup foul, now did he? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He shouldn't have came back yet?</div> I SAID if he if wasn't 100% and not ready to come back then he shoulda given himself more time. Don't get it twisted homie. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Webber never asked to be traded or threaten to for that matter. He was simply offended that fans, like yourself, don't seem to understand the situation at hand. You can't seem to comprehend the fact that Sacramento needs a healthy Chris Webber to win a championship. The only way Webber is going to get healthy is by working himself back into form and working himself back into the team. Even if that means taking a step backwards to take two steps foward, deal with it.</div> Of course we need a healthy C Webb to win a ring!! Everybody knows that!! I comprehend that very clearly dawg, so don't even tell me that I don't. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Where are you coming up with these assumptions?</div> What assumptions, playa? They're all in the stats. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is exactly what I have a problem with. Fans boo him when he's doing bad and praise him when he's doing well. How pathetic, that's not a true fan.</div> What are us fans supposed to do?? Praise him for doing bad?? LMFAO Us ARCO fans are passionate, and after we've been cruising by and all of a sudden we hit a bump in the road, you can expect us to be trippin. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Understand that he's working his way back from an injury, it takes time, but it will pay off in the long run. Rick understands it, real SAC fans understand it</div> Real Sac fans huh? Well you seem to be a Kings fan and a Cavs fan AND a Magic fan so you must know a lot about that <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Would you rather keep Webber on the bench so you can win now and lose later? Or would you rather drop a few games now so you can work Webber back into the team and win later when it counts?</div> DROP A FEW GAMES???? WTF??? WE HAVE NO TIME TO DROP A FEW GAMES. Do you not understand that we're in a battle for the number one seed??? You say Webb needs time to work himself back into the team. I know it could be a long process. So when the playoffs come, he's still gonna be "working himself back into the team"? With the playoffs coming, he has to be ready mentally and physically. And if he's not then it's gon be all bad. Is that a setback you're willing to deal with too?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the ref didn't call no makeup foul, now did he?</div> That's not the issue, you said his actions stemmed from his "bad attitude" but clearly that wasn't the case. The guy was STRUCK IN THE FACE, and he was just sending a message to the offical, regardless if he gets the makeup call or not. I could gurantee you if the same situation were to happen to C-Webb the next play down the court, the offical would have been right on top of it. That's why players make those kinds of stands towards officals, they persuade them into making similar calls. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course we need a healthy C Webb to win a ring!! Everybody knows that!! I comprehend that very clearly dawg, so don't even tell me that I don't.</div> Do you realize you just completely contradicted yourself? You said you understand you need a healthy Chris Webber to win a ring, yet your bashing him for doing the necessary things to return to 100%. The only way he'll get to 100% is by getting those quality minutes and having the court time to fine tune his game, so what's the problem? Either your willing to drop games to get Webber healthy, or you rather lose in the playoffs because you don't have a Chris Webber who's ready to play at that level. If you truely want a chance at winning it all, I think the choice is an obvious one... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What assumptions, playa? They're all in the stats.</div> How can you say "Chris Webber wont admit he's playing bad" is in the stats? Is there a box score for that kind of stuff? Show me one quote where Webber said, or even said anything remotely similar to "I'm playing great" or "I'm on top of my game." You can't, because Webber knows he's not 100% and he knows he's not playing to potential. Injuries will do that to you, they take time to FULLY recover from. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What are us fans supposed to do?? Praise him for doing bad?? LMFAO Us ARCO fans are passionate, and after we've been cruising by and all of a sudden we hit a bump in the road, you can expect us to be trippin.</div> Your "tripping" over an expected setback. And no one is praising Chris for playing "bad" but you don't bash him when he's TRYING to get healthy so he can TRY to bring Sacramento a championship. This was expected, you can't snap your fingers and make a player who's been out for a year start performing like he hasn't missed a day. It just doesn't happen, it takes time "dawg"... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Real Sac fans huh? Well you seem to be a Kings fan and a Cavs fan AND a Magic fan so you must know a lot about that </div> No, real fans take the good with the bad, and they certainly don't turn their backs on their players because they got INJURIED! The guy is working his way back from injury so he can win YOU and SACRAMENTO a championship. Yet your bashing him because your so selfish and you can't take the fact that Sacramento has lost some games. Well boo who, get over it. Chris and Sacramento are doing what they have to do to compete for a championship, and if you don't like it and you can't deal with it than your not a true fan in the first place. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">DROP A FEW GAMES???? WTF??? WE HAVE NO TIME TO DROP A FEW GAMES. Do you not understand that we're in a battle for the number one seed???</div> So you rather have a unhealthy and unprepared Chris Webber so you can win the No.1 seed more so than you would want to have a healthy and prepared Chris Webber with say the 2nd seed? Like you said, you need C-Webb healthy and ready to win the championship, so why are you complaining....AGAIN!?!
The bottomline is Adelman needs to adapt. If Webbers being played by a person who is laterally quicker AND HE CAN'T ABUSE ON THE OFFENSIVE END, then he should pull him earlier. I thought Webber should have come off the bench initially, and then moved up to the starting rotation. Duncan got hurt and that's what the Spurs did for him. Webber didn't HAVE TO come back as a starter, because we all know he's the driving force behind the teams prosperity. If Webber's being beat on D, but can score relatively well, flash another defender to make his man pass.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you realize you just completely contradicted yourself? You said you understand you need a healthy Chris Webber to win a ring, yet your bashing him for doing the necessary things to return to 100%.</div> I wasn't bashing the fella, I was something called fustrated. And any Sactown fan who ain't fustrated at this point ain't no passionate fan. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The only way he'll get to 100% is by getting those quality minutes and having the court time to fine tune his game, so what's the problem? Either your willing to drop games to get Webber healthy, or you rather lose in the playoffs because you don't have a Chris Webber who's ready to play at that level. If you truely want a chance at winning it all, I think the choice is an obvious one...</div> Do I hafta keep repeatin myself homie??? THERE'S NO TIME TO DROP GAMES!!! There's only one game left in the season, so when are we supposed to drop these games you're talking about???? In the playoffs? LMFAO <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you say "Chris Webber wont admit he's playing bad" is in the stats? Is there a box score for that kind of stuff? Show me one quote where Webber said, or even said anything remotely similar to "I'm playing great" or "I'm on top of my game." You can't, because Webber knows he's not 100%</div> Webb never said nothing bout the way he's playing so what are you talking about? You don't know whether he thinks he's playing good or bad.....that's unless you can somehow read the fella's mind.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">.... it takes time "dawg"...</div> Welcome to the hood, Malibu <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No, real fans take the good with the bad, and they certainly don't turn their backs on their players because they got INJURIED! The guy is working his way back from injury so he can win YOU and SACRAMENTO a championship. Yet your bashing him because your so selfish and you can't take the fact that Sacramento has lost some games. Well boo who, get over it. Chris and Sacramento are doing what they have to do to compete for a championship, and if you don't like it and you can't deal with it than your not a true fan in the first place.</div> Who said I'm turning my back on C Webb? I love the fella, I jus don't love the way he's playin. We've lost some games??? Uh... yeah, and we picked a damn bad time to lose em. And if they're just "some" games to you, then you tell me who ain't the true fan up in here. We're nearing closer and closer to the playoffs, these lost games aren't just "some" games. And they're not just games to put in the win or loss column, they build momentum. If we go into the playoffs with negative energy, like I keep sayin, it's gon be all bad. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So you rather have a unhealthy and unprepared Chris Webber so you can win the No.1 seed more so than you would want to have a healthy and prepared Chris Webber with say the 2nd seed?</div> Contradiction, contradiction, contradiction. You keep sayin we hafta drop a few games. So if we're gonna get the second seed, we can't drop games. So what are you talking about? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Like you said, you need C-Webb healthy and ready to win the championship, so why are you complaining....AGAIN!?!</div> Uh......how am I complaining homie? Please tell me. Maybe I'm slow.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">I wasn't bashing the fella, I was something called fustrated</div> You aren't bashing him? Wow, let me remind you of some previous statements straight from your keyboard... "His attitude is bad and it looks like it's spreading." "He acts like he doesn't care and you can kinda tell by his body language that he probably doesn't." "messes up the Kings' unselfish style of play." -sactown_dyme So basically with those quotes your making Chris Webber out to be a player who's selfish, a player who has a bad attitude, and a player who doesn't care about anything. That's not bashing him? It's certainly not the truth... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Webb never said nothing bout the way he's playing so what are you talking about?</div> Exactly!!! Once again let me remind you of a quote that came straight from your keyboard... "He couldn't even admit that he was playing bad." -sactown_dyme You did say that, didn't you? Once again, your contradicted yourself, keeping talking because your making my case for me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Uh......how am I complaining homie? Please tell me. Maybe I'm slow.</div> I'll say this one last time so maybe you'll finally understand it and give your keyboard a rest. Why go into the playoffs knowing your going to lose because you don't have a healthy C-Webb, like you said, No healthy C-Webb equals no Ring. Doesn't it make more sense to try and work C-Webb back into the lineup and get him healthy so you HAVE a chance at that ring? You rather have a chance than no chance what so ever, right? So yeah, that's why C-Webb is starting and that's why Sacramento needs him. SO STOP COMPLAINING!
Well I think Chris Webber isnt playing to his full potential either, but I'm not blaming it on his working initiative... just on how long he;s been away from the game...I mean, he;s been gone for awhile. He will be a liability if he doesn't get back to his full potential when it really counts... the playoffs. I'm not so sure the rest of the team can carry the team without CWebb, especially past MINN and LA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">You aren't bashing him? Wow, let me remind you of some previous statements straight from your keyboard... "His attitude is bad and it looks like it's spreading." "He acts like he doesn't care and you can kinda tell by his body language that he probably doesn't." "messes up the Kings' unselfish style of play." -sactown_dyme So basically with those quotes your making Chris Webber out to be a player who's selfish, a player who has a bad attitude, and a player who doesn't care about anything. That's not bashing him? It's certainly not the truth...</div> I seriously don't even know why I waste my time arguing with fans like you. :shakehead I'm gonna ask you a serious question: Have you been watching Kings games lately?? In particular, the Lakers game, the one we played before last Sunday, and the Suns game? All the quotes you pulled were all judging from what I've seen with my own eyes. Are you seeing something different from what I'm seeing??? I dunno homie, maybe I should go see my eye doctor or something....better yet, maybe you should. But please, tell me this: Who started the thread, The Webb Sacramento Is Caught In???? I believe it was you, wasn't it??? But I'm the one who's bashing him?? Let me pull some of your quotes outta that thread.... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">Should Sacramento trade Chris Webber? This guy no longer looks like the TOP Power Foward he was prior to his injury, and I have to ask the question, is C-Webb on the decline? You've seen it before, Players look to be in the prime of their career than suffer an injury and no longer can provide like they used to. Alan Houston is a prime example. I would hate to see Sacramento get stuck with Webber's contract and I would hate to see him not be able to contribute do to injury. I would personally trade him if he does not improve come playoffs, while he still has market value. He looks like he no longer has explosive moves, and no longer has that strong lift in his legs, those signs don't look good. Sacramento has plenty of quality players on their team that can step up and play high caliber basketball, we saw it all season long while C-Webb was out. So why not trade him? Even if that does mean for a lesser player, at least you aren't forking out 10s of millions of dollars to a veteran player who seems to be injury prone. Just an idea, but I defintely think its one Sacramento should seriously consider.</div> It looks like you agreed with just about everything I said in this argument, am I lying? Here's another one <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">When he's healthy he's a top power foward, but he's simply INJURY PRONE! The last two seasons he's struggled with his injuries and it looks as though it's caught up with him. Perhaps he works himself back into shape and returns to his old self, but he's growing older and he's on the floor contributing less and less. It's becoming a problem trying to work him back into the lineup every time he returns from an injury, which seems like every few months now. Why take these chances when you have Brad Miller and Vlade Divac? You could trade Webber to aquire a younger and almost equally talented bigmen who can contribute every night and stay healthy? Rather than paying Chris Webber who puts your team in an unstable and uncertain situation both on the court and financially.</div> Hahahahaha. Very funny playa. You come up in here tryna argue amd I see you agreeing with jus about everything I've said. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly!!! Once again let me remind you of a quote that came straight from your keyboard... "He couldn't even admit that he was playing bad." -sactown_dyme You did say that, didn't you? Once again, your contradicted yourself, keeping talking because your making my case for me.</div> I think you're confused homie. Let me straighten things out for you a little bit, okay? What I said was that he couldn't admit he was playing bad. And you said that he never said he was playing on top of his game or nothing like that. And I said he never said anything about the way he was playing. I'm looking for the contradiction but it's nowhere to be found..... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll say this one last time so maybe you'll finally understand it and give your keyboard a rest. Why go into the playoffs knowing your going to lose because you don't have a healthy C-Webb, like you said, No healthy C-Webb equals no Ring. Doesn't it make more sense to try and work C-Webb back into the lineup and get him healthy so you HAVE a chance at that ring? You rather have a chance than no chance what so ever, right? So yeah, that's why C-Webb is starting and that's why Sacramento needs him. SO STOP COMPLAINING!</div> I'll put my keyboard to rest when I damn well feel like it or when you answer my damn question which ever comes first. How and when is Webber going to work himself back into the team with the playoffs starting this Saturday???? And what's that you said about dropping games??? Yeah, you damn right we did. We lost to the Warriors for crying out loud. And we lost the division crown and now we're the number four seed and we're going into the playoffs with no momentum. That "dropping games" plan isn't as good as you thought, is it? No, didn't think so. I know Webb still needs time to work himself back into the team. But the fact of the matter is, there is no time. So basically, this argument is meaningless, so do us both a favor and call it a day.
Your once again missing the point. What's the common theme in all of those previous posts? The future of Sacramento with Chris Webber. I stated in those posts the HUGE amount of money Webber makes, we're talking about 20 million plus dollars a season coming right around the corner. Now with Webber getting up there in age, and growing increasingly more injuried, that isn't a salary many teams should be keeping around. What does that have to do with Webber's current state on the team or his importance on this team, Nothing! Am I bashing Webber? Not really, I'm simply stating that investing 20 million plus a season isn't the greatest of ideas given Chris Webber's health and age. I would say the same for any player given those circumstances, case and point Allan Houston. Now onto why I'm arguing with you. I'll say this one last time (and this is likely to be my last post in this thread because you seem to simply refuse to believe, or take into consideratio,n anything I'm saying). Sacramento NEEDS Chris Webber to win a championship, you ask any knowledgable basketball fan and they'll tell you that. Sacramento without Webber will not win that ring, regardless of how good their regular season record is...or was. Now, You said that you FULLY understand Sacramento needs Webber back and healthy to win a championship. Yet you fail to understand why Sacramento has him starting even though they are current losing. Here's an everyday situation that I'm going to apply this theory to, hopefully it can help you understand better. It's midnight. You do HALF, only HALF, of your homework. Now you know going to school the next day that HALF won't get you that good grade, but you take it with you anyway. Now you take it anyways because you know there's a chance you could still complete your homework and turn it in for that good grade. You simply wouldn't leave it at home just because it's only half finished, than you'll just fail. Same situation here. Homework = Chris Webber Homework's Completion = Chris Webber's health School = Playoffs Good Grade = Championship You take your homework even though it's not done because there's a chance you can still finish It. You wouldn't leave it at home because than you KNOW you'll fail. Same Situation, you start Webber going into the playoffs because there's still a chance he can get healthy. You don't leave him on the bench because than you know, I know, and EVERYONE KNOWS that Sacramento doesn't win it all!!! Do you understand know?
C'mon guys. We all know that even if Webber was even 100% they would not even win a championship. I'm just sayin.....
How could I not defend another KJ? The Kings need Webber. If he had not got injured last season, I REALLY felt they would have won it all, serious. But then again...that is always his problem, he never holds up when the team needs him the most. It is terrible to boo the guy because he is the REASON why the Kings are a face of the NBA now. I ******* hate greedy fans who only care about winning for themselves, get a life. I'm here for ya KJ, keep up the great posting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stunt101:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont know how u ppl can type so ffreaking much</div> This is JustBBall, not Hooked On Phonics. People come here for the best basketball discussion. If anyone is not here for that or they can't bring anything to the tanle (like your post did) they would be asked to leave. Pick it up.
