Vince Carter's 03-04 Season

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  1. Premium

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    a couple things i wanted to talk about vince this year...

    first - he ended up missing only 9 games. thats not very much considering there are a lot of players who missed more time then him, and how many games he missed the passed two seasons. its a step forward, and since he isnt playing in the olympics and according to him, hes taking the summer to condition and heal up all his injuries...it can only get better from here.

    second - if anyone saw the year end 'court cuts' on the score, when they showed vince's breakaway windmill against the cavs early in the season, you might have noticed, his head was almost level with the rim. everyone says that he's lost the explosiveness he once had...but i saw plenty of times this season when he was above the rim. the dunk on malone, the dunk on curry from last week...etc. he may have lost some, but he hasnt lost THAT much

    third - jalen is good for him. jalens attitude towards the game and on the floor is exactly what vince needs. if we can get a decent point guard, and take the ball out of jalens hands at the point, he'd be as effective with less turnovers. i want to keep jalen and vince together...mix bosh in and toronto have a legit "big three"


    your thoughts on these issues....?
     
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    It's a good thing that he's gonna try and heal up during the summer. For his explosiveness, I say he still can at least get up around 40 inches. Defenitely higher then a 36 that posted on the top 50 jumpers in the league.

    I will like to see him do well and when he gets voted to start in the AS game again, ppl won't debate about him deserving to start. I expect him to Avg around 28ppg 7rpg 1.5spg 1.6bpg and 4.2 apg. Well I hope he can get around those numbers next season.

    With Jalen, they should make the playoffs and if Vince puts up those numbers, they should be around a 4th seed minimum.
     
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    Yeah i was really impressed from how carter was able to stay away from injury missing only 9 games bu i do not see him averaging th stats above. i see him at 24.5 ppg, 6 rpg and 4 apg along with 1 bpg and 1.50 spg.
     
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    I agree with everything you said, but at some points in the game I'd like to see jalen still switch to point guard, I Think the raptors at some points took advantage of jalen's hight advantage of many guards when backing up to the basket and at times it seemed like they could use this tactic effortlessly.
     
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    I think this year has to be a success for Carter in terms of how he played and how durable he was. Missing 9 games is a step up for him and I believe he even got a little tougher as well. There were times where I saw glimpses of the past Vince Carter and with a full summer to heal and work on his game he could be due for an even better season.

    Everyone who doesn't watch Raptors games were expecting Vince to miss 30 games this year and play horribly. I don't they expected him to average 20 5 and 5 this year. He still hasn't achieved that state of "No Fear" like he did when he was in his first three years but I don't see why he can't get better next season.
     
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    Yea Vince was great, its typical for ppl to not think of Vince doing well until the season ends and the highlights come up, then they'd say "Vince isnt doing well now, but in the 03-04 season" he was alright. Its typical of ppl to not believe in anything good until years go by and they consider it a memory, but Vince is even playing really good right now. Congrats to Vince.
     
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    good post. I hear too much that 'Vince Carter Sucks' sand people saying he's missed too many games. 9 out of 82 games missed. thats barely 11 percent. Thats a huge improvement compared to before. Compared(extreme) to Webber tahts nothing.
     
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    true....Vince really stepped up this year...this year was better then his last 2 years (injury free wise)

    stats wise, he stepped up big when we needed him in crunch time in most games and with a better supporting cast next year, he will only be stronger...hopefully he spends more time conditioning himself rather then wait till training camp to workout and spend the WHOLE summer with his wife...
     
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    thing i dont understand is a couple of you predicted his stats, and predicted his assits would go down?

    after posting a career high in assists, i wouldnt be surprised to see it go up next year.


    OH YEA!! cant believe i forgot this too...something i REALLY noticed this season...

    the reason vince's game has changed, is because the way he is played has changed. the scouting report on vince will say "be extremely physical". vince gets HAMMERED all the time. defenders really work him...its no wonder hes a little more tentative. he does need to learn how to fight through it...but you have to admit, vince gets absolutely smoked all the time
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">thing i dont understand is a couple of you predicted his stats, and predicted his assits would go down?

    after posting a career high in assists, i wouldnt be surprised to see it go up next year.


    OH YEA!! cant believe i forgot this too...something i REALLY noticed this season...

    the reason vince's game has changed, is because the way he is played has changed. the scouting report on vince will say "be extremely physical". vince gets HAMMERED all the time. defenders really work him...its no wonder hes a little more tentative. he does need to learn how to fight through it...but you have to admit, vince gets absolutely smoked all the time</div>

    Do you mean players can score easily on him? If so when Vince tries on Defence he is one of the best, im serious. I've seen him so many times when he takes things personal and shuts down the other guy or gets him into foul trouble. He blocks shots when he feels like it too. I also heard a while back that Vince saves most of his energy for offence which is why his defence is scrapy. But I dont believe that, he just doesn't like to go threw screans and be phisical.

    As for Bosh. He said he will be putting on more then 10 pounds during the off-season. And I can't wait to see him play next season. I don't think Bosh is much like the next KG but more of the next JO, Bosh has a better range (he can shoot threes pretty good). But JO is more polished and so much more tough.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Fundamentals:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah i was really impressed from how carter was able to stay away from injury missing only 9 games bu i do not see him averaging th stats above. i see him at 24.5 ppg, 6 rpg and 4 apg along with 1 bpg and 1.50 spg.</div>

    Whoa those are high for the block and stealing. At least you didn't list turnovers, I'm glad he plays smart now, a lot more intelligent game than he use to have. He still has the bravery and the explosiveness, but along with this he's brought something your name has, fundamentals. That's the key to him staying healthy, because damn he's still clutch and an awesome shooter. Plus his handles are still there, no turnovers and still good passes coming here and there.
     
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    Well back in his good days Carter averaged those in blocks and steals.

    Rookie: 1.10 steals, 1.54 blocks
    99-00: 1.34 steals, 1.12 blocks
    00-01: 1.52 steals, 1.09 blocks

    I see him next year with more like 23-25 poimts, 5.1 rebounds (Carter doesn't like to rebound unless its crunch time for some reason), 5.0 assists, 1.30 steals, and 0.9 blocks.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoa those are high for the block and stealing. .</div>

    it is?

    in his career he avg's 1.04 blocks a game and 1.33 steals per...this year it was .89 blocks and 1.21 steals

    i dont think thats very high at all really. pretty reasonable actually
     
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    well considering he is on the trading block............ I highly doubt that he will be back on the raptors next year
     
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    give a link/source to that...thats not a fact, more like a rumour

    i doubt Vince would be traded... [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CANT STOP ME:</div><div class="quote_post">well considering he is on the trading block............ I highly doubt that he will be back on the raptors next year</div>

    what are you talking about? the raps dont even have a GM yet. they have an interim GM, and i doubt they are going to let him make any major moves like shipping off carter

    hes hardly on the trading block...which ever GM does come in, wouldnt be doing his job properly if he didnt just put vince's name out there just to see what his value is and what we could get for him. thats not the same as being on the trading block.

    think about it...why is basketball popular in toronto? vince carter. why are the raptors have the 6th best attendance in the league? vince carter. you really think they are going to let him go? its possible, but i dont think very likely
     
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    Vince won't get traded...he IS the raptors...

    I would say this has been a successful year for Vince (indiviually obviously) considering he was healthy for the most part...

    I would still like to see him work on other aspects of his game, as well as ease up on the jumpers...
     
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    he had a pretty good season, had 12 asts 2 times and scored in the 40's twice also. Career high in apg. I think next year is 23 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg. Or if he scores more points it could look like 25-6 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg.
     
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    it was an ok season...the problem that i have with it was he would disappear thru large parts of games, especially when we needed him most and his field goal% is going down because he refuses to drive to the net

    couple years back, he wouldn't get as many assists but you could always depend on him to get the 27pts,5reb,5asts which i would take over this year's version
     
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    hmm

    Vince still has 99%, if not 100% of his hops.

    Just look at his block on Jason Terry...he almost hit the rim with his head. The Windmill against the Cavs was almost sick and he said after the game that he bruised his wrist badly because of the dunk. In the allstar game Vince once again showed that he was the premiere dunker there. Unfortuneatly, Carlisle only played VC for a disgusting 13 mins.

    However, Vince often chooses to conserve energy and doesn't go for the dunk or highlight reel anymore. In a sense, he is becoming more like...tim duncan.
     

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