<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">Give Vince a break! Man, no matter what he will never be good enough for everyone. If you look at his highlight reels for this year, its just as good as his first two seasons, except for the flashy dunks. You cant expect him to drive it every time. He's the only real offence of the raptors. Instead of asking him to improve himself, why dont you ask the other raptors to get better and complement him, or ask mgmt to get some better players!? You think he can always just drive it in and drive it in? The defenders KNOW he's the only offence, so they will zone in on him alone mostly. But if you had better players around Carter, m/b he wouldnt get triple teamed so often, then Carter could drive it in. And dont you think he's tired? He's the only one running back and forth to get the ball from the teammates since everyone else just stands around and watch him. And i hate when ppl compare him to T-Mac. They say he has to compete with T-Mac. T-Mac is the #1 scorer of the NBA. If Carter was to be #1 scorer next year, ppl would still find flaws in him regardless and say T-Mac is still better than him. Why bother? Asking so much from him, change things around him, and you'll see that he'll be a much better player if you dont give him so much of a load to burden. Remember: He's the only American great superstar that is willing to give Canada a shot, and still gets criticized. That's SACRIFICE. He's forgoing alot of extra fame in the US for us, so stop asking for too much insane requests. No player is perfect, competing with T-Mac? Did you see the time this season they played and Carter hit the side 20 footer while fading away and T-Mac was defending him to win the game? Didnt you also see him beating the Cavs the last game? Dont you notice he has a better record than T-Mac? Dont you notice T-Mac cant just drive it in all the time either? People Consider T-Mac the best, and when they say Carter should improve this or improve that to even be considered close to T-Mac. And if you consider T-Mac the best, and Carter close to him if he were to slash more, dont you think Carter should be getting a little more respect than what people give him? If he were to do all the slashing people are asking of him (which they say for him to compete with McGrady), will you consider him one of the best of the NBA? Like how ppl consider McGrady one of the best? I dont think so. People will still be down on him even if they say things like that. Do you get my reasoning? Its been like this time and time again..</div> I don't see much bashing going on in here. Who said that Carter isn't one of the better players in the NBA? Also, just because someone is the star player on the team does not mean that he doesn't have to work on some aspect of his game. The reason we expect the most out of Carter and Bosh is because they are the best players of the team and by strengthening any of their weaker skills it would help the team tremendously due to the fact that they have the most time on the court. Being the best player means you will be scrutinized even more than a bench player. <font color="black">WE don't ask Jerome Moiso to step up, we ask Vince and Bosh to. </font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady= one of the best (Top 5) Criticizers= For Carter "to compete with McGrady" he must slash and drive to the basket like every possession, and dont take fade away shots that miss Carter for the season= drives every time, slash etc Then should happen ----> Carter=McGrady (based on criticizers quotes) And if McGrady= one of the best Carter should also = one of the best (Top 5) BUT THE REALITY IS Carter = still not one of the best in ppl's views even if he were to do that. There will always be something else ppl will throw at him. Why? Why is it like this?!</div> Why? Because he has not done this since his 1st-3rd season. We are not doubting that he is an elite player but we are definitely not going to say that he is on the same level as Mcgrady and Kobe yet. He's close but not there yet. One thing that would come to mind before comparing them is defence. Kobe and Mcgrady are great two way players playing both ends of the court. We all know that Carter is below average defensively. I'm the biggest Carter fan but even I don not get these players mixed up with each other. If Carter can keep on improving his D and aspects of his offence then he could rejoin in the next year or so. As of now he is not a complete player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another thing: why would ppl trade Carter for Artest? Artest doesnt have the burden of leading a whole team, no way he can do it all on his own. Some ppl may look good when amongst other stars, but on their own they can be pretty crappy.</div> Who the hell said this? It's either you got bad information or are just looking at my avatar too much. Carter for Artest? Damn, I would go for that but it won't happen. I don't think Indiana would trade Artest and Toronto wouldn't trade Carter. I would love for this trade to go down but it was never mentioned in this thread. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I mean if Carter had a 30 point scoring avg, most ppl will still turn a blind eye next season and say the same things over and over again. Jus chill and give Carter a chance, dont ask more from him than he's giving, cuz without him, raptors would not even win half the games. He's given enough to the Raptors offensively, including the assists that have the other raptors players put their numbers up, so stop asking. If they dont bring in some other skilled players soon, all the talent he currently has will be wasted giving his all. We're lucky to even have him on our team. How bout giving him some help for all he's done for the raptors?! Its not like he isnt asking for it! Give him something in return rather than asking him to be better to win for the team. Its like you're asking for him to be superman so that when his teammates always screw up, he will be depended on to do everything. Change the garbage, not the star.</div> If Carter scored 30 he would not be recognized for it? Please tell me the last time that happened to somebody. Any player that has ever scored 30 a game has got nothing but publicity for the feat. Why would Carter be different? Thats just silly. To ask for help is just as bad. You are telling me that Rose, Bosh, and Marshall are not talented enough to win a few games in the East? Give me a break. You can't say he had no talent around him. You can say that maybe he didn't have a centre but he had a talented team they all just didn't get it done. If you don't make Vince Carter accountable for the Raptors losses and just blame it on the players around him then that makes you a Vince Carter fan not a Raptors fan. Just because a stars a star, doesn't mean that he gets left off the hook.
Exactly, no one in here is bashing Carter. The reason why we want him to improve so much is because he is our leader. He sets the tone for everyone else on the team. If he does poorly, the whole team does poorly and if he puts in the time and effort to improve his game, the whole team will do the same. You may say that it's unfair to put that much responsibility on VC but that's just the way things are. He's the leader so he must be the one to set an example for the rest of the team. It obvious to everyone (Raptor fan or not) that VC needs to improve his game if he wants to be our go-to-guy. And EVERYONE in the nba can improve on their game, so just because we're picking on VC doesn't mean we don't respect him as a player. And just for the record, I too would trade VC for Artest. VC may be a little better on offense but Artest just kills him on defensive. He didn't win defensive player of the year by fluke.
Not some, just intrepid, wow that was the most surprising post I've seen lol. How can we not expect out franchise player to improve?
Jalen Rose need's to bulk up he looks like a 13 year old kid out there. Rose is the best point gaurd the raptor's have currently and he need's to bulk up so he can handle the bigger gaurds in the league. Vince Carter is the franchise, he need's to improve anything he can and he need's to lose that fear of getting hurt and take it to the rack HARD. Carter need's more heart.
I made many comments throughout the season of how Vince needs to attack and control the game, but now that I think about it, I'm willing to back off a bit. If you build a team around Vince, then I guarantee you that a more aggressive Vince will come out. It has to be absolutely draining on a guy when he knows that he has to do EVERYTHING for this team. Yes he is the best player, yes he is paid the most money, but on offense he ends up having to go 1 on 3 for the majority of the time. I don't care what you say, by the half way point in a season, that has to be exhausting! So I'm cutting Vince some slack in hopes that when he actually gets some real players (besides, Bosh and Rose) then we'll see Vince elevate his game even more. Bosh, needs to work on his post moves as well as his jumper. In the post he is OK, but needs some weight on him so he can actually attack the basket when he is in the post. His jumpshot isn't bad, except he always hesitates before he takes it. Gives a bunch of jab steps before he pulls up. That just gives the defender time to gather himself. Rose, although he was better after returning from injury, he just needs to play. If he wants to be a playmaker, then he needs to get in the gym and learn how to pass the ball better. His turnover numbers are rediculous.
