let's just hope , here I'll copy/paste what I said in this other thread: T-Mac is not leaving We will get Okafor , Hill will become a role player and convince T-Mac to stay , Pat Garrity will be back , we might even trade Juwan and some others for a top 10 draft pick and listen to this : GRANT HILL WOULD BE OUR STARTING PG that's right , I don't have the site with me right now but I read that they said that , that would give us this: PG - Grant Hill/T-Lue/Reece Gaines/and/or Draft Pick..(Gaines could be traded with Juwan and someone else for that top 10 pick.) SG - T-Mac/DeShawn Stevenson/Britton Johnsen SF - Pat Garrity/Keith Bogans (even Stevenson and Hill could rotate here.) PF - Drew Gooden / ZaZa Pachulia(and/or 2nd round draft pick) C - Emeka Okafor / depends on what we do..either Steven Hunter..2nd Round draft pick...Andrew DeClerq and ZaZa Pachulia. now that sounds like T-Mac would give it a shot..at least see what happens before the trading deadline. We(the Orlando Magic fans) can only hope and pray for good things like that to happen and we don't draft busts or "promising projects" and Grant Hill is back at least not like he has was (hey we can always dream) but at least have over 10ppg and drop some nice assists let's say 5+ apg.
Whoever drafts Okafor needs to realize he is a PF, not a C. If you guys do get Okafor, the Magic will either have to: 1)Slide Gooden to the C spot 2)Continue to play him as a 6th man 3)Trade Gooden for a lottery pick At 6'8 or 6'9, I don't think Okafor is a good option at C in the NBA.
Obie... we've discussed that Okafor can and will play Center in the NBA http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16121
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post"> PF - Drew Gooden / ZaZa Pachulia(and/or 2nd round draft pick) C - Emeka Okafor / depends on what we do..either Steven Hunter..2nd Round draft pick...Andrew DeClerq and ZaZa Pachulia. </div> They should trade those Andrew DeClerg steven Hunter all those mediocur centers and their first pick this year for Big Z from Cleveland, Z can give the low post presence they need and he can free up more space for T-Mac too. PG Grant Hill SG T-Mac SF Pat Garrity PF Drew Dooden. C Z
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dachen33:</div><div class="quote_post">They should trade those Andrew DeClerg steven Hunter all those mediocur centers and their first pick this year for Big Z from Cleveland, Z can give the low post presence they need and he can free up more space for T-Mac too. PG Grant Hill SG T-Mac SF Pat Garrity PF Drew Dooden. C Z</div> You think the Cavs are going to want three of the lower end centers in this league for one of the top? They could probably find players as good as Hunter and Zaza right from the NBDL.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post"> Actually(This was said in an interview on TNT during a game) he said that he came to Orlando because he was going to be close to home AND he was going to be a 2nd man next to Grant Hill , not the one superstar team.</div> Come on, don't tell me you believe that he wanted to go from being one '2nd option' to another '2nd option.' TMac styles himself as a scoring machine, always has since Toronto, but he couldn't cut it as the 1st scoring option with Vince in the system. Coming to Orlando, he might not have been as big a name as Grant, but Hill was always a team guy who passed a lot and wasn't nearly the scorer Vince was, with the 2000 season as an exception. TMac knew he'd be the 1st option in Orlando. That being said, I don't see Tracy going anywhere where he won't be the 1st option. Several situations, like Sacto, San Antonio, etc, would be great, but if Tracy isn't the clear cut 1st option he's not gonna swallow it. He's too immature at this point to accept something like that. He's smart enough to realize that he can't cut it doing the same stuff if he's in the west. He's probably going to stay in the East if he moves at all, but I think he likes Orlando's chances next year since they'll be in the weakest of the league's six divisions. Really, don't believe the hype. Tracy's staying in Orlando, just like Kobe's staying with the Lakers.
Tracy's stats against the west are much better than the EAST. This is because the west plays a fast paced game
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dachen33:</div><div class="quote_post"> They should trade those Andrew DeClerg steven Hunter all those mediocur centers and their first pick this year for Big Z from Cleveland, Z can give the low post presence they need and he can free up more space for T-Mac too. PG Grant Hill SG T-Mac SF Pat Garrity PF Drew Dooden. C Z </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">You think the Cavs are going to want three of the lower end centers in this league for one of the top? They could probably find players as good as Hunter and Zaza right from the NBDL.</div> dachen33 just wants this No. 1 pick. He just loves the idea of getting the first pick two years in a row like Orlando back in the old days when they drafted Shaq and Webber. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">Come on, don't tell me you believe that he wanted to go from being one '2nd option' to another '2nd option.' TMac styles himself as a scoring machine, always has since Toronto, but he couldn't cut it as the 1st scoring option with Vince in the system. Coming to Orlando, he might not have been as big a name as Grant, but Hill was always a team guy who passed a lot and wasn't nearly the scorer Vince was, with the 2000 season as an exception. TMac knew he'd be the 1st option in Orlando. That being said, I don't see Tracy going anywhere where he won't be the 1st option. Several situations, like Sacto, San Antonio, etc, would be great, but if Tracy isn't the clear cut 1st option he's not gonna swallow it. He's too immature at this point to accept something like that. He's smart enough to realize that he can't cut it doing the same stuff if he's in the west. He's probably going to stay in the East if he moves at all, but I think he likes Orlando's chances next year since they'll be in the weakest of the league's six divisions. Really, don't believe the hype. Tracy's staying in Orlando, just like Kobe's staying with the Lakers.</div> It wasn't about first or second scoring option it was about first or second man in the team and imho that's different. T-Mac never wanted to become a leader and at the moment Orlando got Hill, T-Mac knew that Hill would lead this team and his own role would be only about scoring. And with Hill at his side he knew that he is the scoring option number 1 and Hill is a good passer so he knew that he would get his shots.
Exactly , he didn't have to worry about being a leader , about running the point , you came home and become a top 3 NBA player with your moves and offensive game while improving all around game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Mcgrady would not fit in Indiana, where Ron Artest has molded himself into a good scorer and excellent defender. T-Mac would not fit under Rick Carlisle's style of defense. I agree with flight42 in the sense that he is more suited to playing an Eastern Conference style. How's this for a trade: Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall to Orlando, and McGrady to Toronto. The Raptors' GM will obviously be looking to shake things up, and McGrady has been quoted as saying wanting to come back to Toronto. And besides, the thought of Vince and T-Mac back together is enticing....</div> Not Gonna happen, he's been there before and he not going ack. Plus his stats would lower immediatly. He needs his own spotlight like in Orlando. In Toronto Vince is there and hes a perfect match for the Raptors. Plus in his last season of the Raptors he averaged somthing like 9 or 15 PPG. Then on his first Season on the Magics he Averaged 26PPG and went on to be the 2 time scoring Champ. And on three of his seasons he averaged the 20-6-5. And even one time a 32-6-5. Just tyoed all of this cuz I was bored, lol.
McGrady on sun's with amare, now thats ill. i just dont want tmac turning out to be another penny...if that ever happens, that'll be a disney story gone wrong.
i just dont want tmac turning out to be another penny...if that ever happens, that'll be a disney story gone wrong.
Yep, I agree with all of you. He will likely go, we need to have a great summer to improve our team this offseason, and I don't want him to turn out like Penny. This is the end of the respectability of our team. There were a bunch of trade possibilities in the paper today, most of them sucked, but there was one for the Blazers that I love. It was Zach Randolph, Theo Ratliff, and their lotto pick. The others were like Tmac for Stevie Franchise, which would be really dumb. We got to pray that we can get a leader this offseason. If we do a deal with the Suns we have to get either/both Amare and Marion. I wouldn't take anything less than one of them and more. Pat Garrity would not be our starting SF Tmacownz. Our starting lineup would be PG-Hill SG-Tmac SF-Bogans or Stevenson PF-Juwan(Gooden and Okafor would come off the bench and have to share about 20 mins a game, that just won't cut it, IMO) C-Declerq(JD loves this guy, so he would start him)
If we do a deal with the Suns we have to get either/both Amare and Marion. I wouldn't take anything less than one of them and more. Pat Garrity would not be our starting SF Tmacownz. Our starting lineup would be PG-Hill SG-Tmac SF-Bogans or Stevenson PF-Juwan(Gooden and Okafor would come off the bench and have to share about 20 mins a game, that just won't cut it, IMO) C-Declerq(JD loves this guy, so he would start him)
TMac ponders future as magic wait <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady ponders future as Magic wait By John Denton, Florida Today ORLANDO ? John Weisbrod is admittedly an impatient man, vowing he won't allow some long-range plan to distract him from rebuilding the Orlando Magic as quickly as possible. Weisbrod, the Magic's general manager, has taken a similar tact with the negotiations regarding star guard Tracy McGrady. Though McGrady can't become a free agent until after next season and has hinted that he might not have an answer regarding his future with the Magic until the February trade deadline, Weisbrod has already started pressing McGrady's representation team on the matter. </div> Full Story
I guarantee you that nothing is going to be resolved until the Magic draft a player and make a couple trades.
For the first time in this forum I agree with you explosive lol , T-Mac will decide after Draft pick and at least a trade the looks like it could make a change (e.g. not re-signing hunter and trading for a 2nd rounder..or a 3rd PF..) I think T-Mac will stay after drafting Okafor and talking with Hill but If thing goes bad until the trade deadline he might ask for a trade , and we would have to trade him or he is gone..unless he signs an extension or something like that.
Man, if you think back to a year ago, the pistons series. The Magic messed up big style. They should never have signed Howard. This Knocked Gooden's confidence, he was moved out of position after playing a huge series. Gooden and T-Mac were a great foundation for the Franchise. They should have signed Darrel and Tyrone Lue. So the Point gaurd position was set. I f they had closed out that series they would have faced philly. Which they would have won, we always beat the sixers. Prob. would have lost to the nets but hey, finals would have been okay. TMac's confdence is now at an all-time low. He can't carry a team when he feels like that. H's still got the swagger, but his mindset is "I'm great, but I haven't got the help." I love the guy but you'd never see Jordan playing like that. You have to make your team better. I think the magic need to apologise to Drew, trade Howard for a small forward, let's say Jalen Rose or Mashburn (the hornets are looking to move him cause of the outburst) Hill should be back and you have to take the chance, but play him at PG DRaft Okafar C Okafur PF Gooden SF Mashburn SG McGrady PG Hill That is a big improvement. Mash said he didn't get the correct rehab that's why he was injured so with the right medical staff, he could be putting up big numbers again. If Drew can get back to the Rookie season form, he has the potential to develop into an all star. Hill will be the leader. Peace
