<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Peja King:</div><div class="quote_post">9/11 was a sad day yeah but you think what USA did to Irak, Afghanistan and Serbia in 98 was better?? no man that was even worse</div> What in the world are you talking about? What exactly did the US do to Iraq,Afghanistan and Serbia in 1998? I'll say it once more....this case is a different animal all together,some cats value money and prestige more than anything. Pat Tillman didn't do that. He gave it all up to do what he believed and do what he thought was right. That deserves respect from everyone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Peja King:</div><div class="quote_post">9/11 was a sad day yeah but you think what USA did to Irak, Afghanistan and Serbia in 98 was better?? no man that was even worse</div> I like to know that too.
they bombard my country in 98, they bombarded hospitals and schools.. some members of my family died.. for what? nothin'! war is useless!! nobody wins, everybody lose
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, sorry to hear that. Now I see why you feel that way about the war.</div> i was young and i wasn't concient of the impact of the war like today so its not that bad.. My dream would be that there's just one country called world and all the money spent in war would be spent in useful things ...but that's dream and i won't be alive to see it
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mogame:</div><div class="quote_post">Who cares if an NBA player would do it, the AVERAGE PERSON WOULDN'T DO IT. NBA Players are not some sort of Gods with supernatural powers.</div> That's beside the point man. The point here is a professional player gave up fame and fortune to serve his country. We're just honoring him for that. If there's an NBA player who'll go this way too, he deserves to be honored as well, together with the average persons fighting alongside him. But if an NBA player doesn't want to give up fame and fortune, totally understandable. But still, we have to honor those who do. Sorry to hear about your family Peja King.
Peja King's earlier comments may come across as ignorant and insensitive but I hope everyone can now understand his point of view. He probably left Serbia and came to North America in hopes of leaving the ravages caused by war. When he comes here he finds out that things aren't much better after all, why? Because over here we're actually glorifying war. Whether you want to admit it or not, Tillman's story of a brave soldier leaving fame and fortune to fight overseas is still a glorification war. The man has heart and his intentions were good, but it's just a shame to know that he lost his life for a cause such as this. You may think that the soldiers going out to battle overseas is actually going to benefit your country, but in reality, war accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. Remember, You can bomb the world into pieces but you can't bomb the world into peace.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ming-dynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Peja King's earlier comments may come across as ignorant and insensitive but I hope everyone can now understand his point of view. He probably left Serbia and came to North America in hopes of leaving the ravages caused by war. When he comes here he finds out that things aren't much better after all, why? Because over here we're actually glorifying war. Whether you want to admit it or not, Tillman's story of a brave soldier leaving fame and fortune to fight overseas is still a glorification war. The man has heart and his intentions were good, but it's just a shame to know that he lost his life for a cause such as this. You may think that the soldiers going out to battle overseas is actually going to benefit your country, but in reality, war accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. Remember, You can bomb the world into pieces but you can't bomb the world into peace.</div> Yes, couldnt have put it any better
How can you say war accomplishes nothing? The people of Iraq will be free because of the U.S's actions. The war on terrorism well help prevent psychotic idiots like Osama bin Laden from taking innocent lives. World War II stopped an evil dictator in Adolf Hitler from continuing his genocide and exterminating an entire religion. Believe me, if I could have it my way the world would be full of love and no one would fight...but it isn't that way and sometimes war is necessary to help preserve the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you say war accomplishes nothing? The people of Iraq will be free because of the U.S's actions. The war on terrorism well help prevent psychotic idiots like Osama bin Laden from taking innocent lives. World War II stopped an evil dictator in Adolf Hitler from continuing his genocide and exterminating an entire religion. Believe me, if I could have it my way the world would be full of love and no one would fight...but it isn't that way and sometimes war is necessary to help preserve the future.</div> great post man....I completely agree...war isn't a pleasant thing, but unfortunately it is sometimes neccessary...
^^Especially when billions of dollars in oil is up for grabs. Where exactly are those weapons of mass destruction? That was the main reason they went into Iraq in the first place right? Again I want to ask: If Iraq was the first to go down, how come North Korea isn't being dealt with? BTW I didn't say this in my previous posts but Rest in Peace Pat Tillman. I will always respect a man who fights for what he believes in (it doesn't matter if I find it wrong or not).
Exactly Court Vision. Theres no war if there aint no oil. North Korea has no natural resources worth fighting for, so they are left alone. This war is an embaressment, and I for one as an Australian, am ashamed to be part of.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">^^Especially when billions of dollars in oil is up for grabs. Where exactly are those weapons of mass destruction? That was the main reason they went into Iraq in the first place right? Again I want to ask: If Iraq was the first to go down, how come North Korea isn't being dealt with? BTW I didn't say this in my previous posts but Rest in Peace Pat Tillman. I will always respect a man who fights for what he believes in (it doesn't matter if I find it wrong or not).</div> Regarding North Korea, we can't just go knock out one country, then turn around and knock out another one...that's political suicide...I agree that North Korea needs to be dealt with, but the fact that they could potientially produce nuclear weapons has to make us more careful... Regarding Iraq...I don't know Mr. Bush's true motives...but I will say that this war will free the Iraqi's from a violent dictator...Hussien has commited horrible crimes against his people, and that's not even debatable...for once, put yourself in the Iraqis' shoes...this is the right thing.....that's y i'm supporting this war...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post"> Regarding Iraq...I don't know Mr. Bush's true motives...but I will say that this war will free the Iraqi's from a violent dictator...Hussien has commited horrible crimes against his people, and that's not even debatable...for once, put yourself in the Iraqis' shoes...this is the right thing.....that's y i'm supporting this war...</div> Its sad that one bad egg, causes thousands of innocent people to be killed. Things needed to be done, but the way the so called civilised have carried it out has been appalling. Remember it was the USA who armed them to start with. Talk about creating a monster.
^Afghanistan too. NMG: Potentially produce nuclear weapons? They are already in front of the USA's face. Its not like they are trying to hide the fact from them. I would think that North Korea is a bigger problem then Iraq because Iraq was "alledgedly producing" WMD. What does it come down to? Oil, Money, Power. In regards to Iraq I agree that getting rid of Saddam is a good thing. But to keep your troops in there and contract the oil jobs to a certain company? Just let the UN come in as a neutral party. Bush is acting like "I did this to Iraq, therefore I claim Iraq". Doesn't he realize that the people don't want him or his troops there?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">^Potentially produce nuclear weapons? They are already in front of the USA's face. Its not like they are trying to hide the fact from them. I would think that North Korea is a bigger problem then Iraq because Iraq was "alledgedly producing" WMD. What does it come down to? Oil, Money, Power. In regards to Iraq I agree that getting rid of Saddam is a good thing. But to keep your troops in there and contract the oil jobs to a certain company? Just let the UN come in as a neutral party. Bush is acting like "I did this to Iraq, therefore I claim Iraq". Doesn't he realize that the people don't want him or his troops there?</div> The North Koreans haven't produced any nuclear weapons YET....they've only begun to acquire the capabilities...the fact is that most of their threats are for money...They say they need to open up nuclear facilities to run their country...other countries say NO...so they use that to ask for money...sort of like a blackmail...but I agree this needs to be dealt with I agree with u that post-war hasn't been handled the best way...but the neccessity of de-throning Saddam was there....that was my original point and about the WMD, Saddam WANTED people to think he has WMD's...perhaps intelligence failed us, but it was only due to Saddam's own doing...we had the chance, and we took him out...
The U.S's plan is to help establish democracy in Iraq and leave when all is good. If the U.S were to leave Iraq right now then all that they accomplished by setting the Iraqis free would go to waste because they have known no other government than Saddam's dictatorship. As Weapons of Mass Destruction go... just like notmuchgame said, you can only rely on your intelligence. I for one feel safer knowing that the chance is gone instead of saying, "oh he might or might not have them...i guess we'll find out."
As bombings continue and innocent people continue to die, how can anyone say it was successful. Humainity continues to be the loser with Bush's ego leading the way. The fact is, with or without Saddam, Iraq do not want or need us there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KarmaCav:</div><div class="quote_post">As bombings continue and innocent people continue to die, how can anyone say it was successful. Humainity continues to be the loser with Bush's ego leading the way. The fact is, with or without Saddam, Iraq do not want or need us there.</div> I disagree...the majority of Iraqi's wanted Saddam out and were happy that we were there...and for the time being, they do need us there to build and restore they government...
^^I don't agree with that. I would have a neutral party such as the UN deal with Iraq. The US is not wanted there, especially after they killed so many innocents.
