<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PrimeTime:</div><div class="quote_post"> First learn some grammar then we'll talk. </div> WoW, what a low blow That one was real creative. I could throw a bunch of cheap shots but I wont. I will just leave it alone by saying, with my gammar & your lack of basketball knowledge (which is shown in your post) we both have alot to learn. :mrgreen:
saying Mj didnt have to face the KG's, Duncan's etc is riducluous... you remmebe rwhen jordan came back, even at FORTY years old, he was still hangin on the levels of most NBA superstars....now just imagine him in the 80's/ at the top of his game in 98.... You say KG and Td are good? Hakeem in his prime? Isiah Thomas? Joe Dumars? Larry? Kevin Mchale? Moses Malone? Dr. J? Magic? Kareem? Patrick? Charles? Kevin Johnson? Karl & John? etc....the list goes on and on dont even compare the talent of today to before cuz the NBA talent compared to then is pretty damn low.... saying MJ didnt have as great of competetion is stupid...thats like saying Larry bird isnt good cuz when he came in the league, only superstars were Dr.J and Goerge Gervin or something....ridiculous...
But in their Prime? HELL NO! Isiah-yea, hakeem and david-yea, but the rest not really and even though at times Mullin is underrated, he's not a great player. Especially since MJ didn't face someone almost as good at him that played his position!!! Come on people, think about it thuroughly before you post.
Barkley? Shawn Kemp in his prime? Gary Payton in his prime? Shaq and Penny in Orlando? Magic? Isiah? Dumars? Ewing? The Dream? John Stockton and Karl Malone? Dominque Wilkins? Tom Chambers? These players are only the tip of the iceberg of who he had to go up against. Last time I checked, 90% of them are all hall of famers.
Man, ppl have to stop doing this.. Michael Jordan was the best and always will be the best get over it. Kobe is really talented, but MJ was a whole different story. Kobe is the second option for the lakers when Mike was the first. Mike and Kobe have the same desire to win and a strong will thats all i see in common at this point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PS11:</div><div class="quote_post">Michael Jordan was the best</div> Absolutely true. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting PS11:</div><div class="quote_post"> always will be the best </div> Complete speculation. The guy's only been gone for 6 years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Complete speculation. The guy's only been gone for 6 years.</div> What do you mean, complete speculation? You know how many bars he's set? How many plateaus he's acheived? No one in the NBA currently is even close to being good enough to be compared to him, exceptions to only 1 person and that is Reggie Miller.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post"> In regards to Kobe coming before Jordan I think differently actually. I think Kobe is Kobe because Jordan came before him. Can you tell me seriously that Kobe (along with other superstars) does not try to mimic his game after MJ? They did not idolize Jordan when they were young? .</div> Absolutely True. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike didn't have many flaws but even he would tell you he missed more game winners than he hit, although It's hard to believe him. MJ supporting cast was very bad when he first entered the league. He would keep making the playoffs, would score 30+ and as we saw in the famous Boston series go off for 63 and still lose the game. It was basically just him and a bunch of role players, Kobe would be lucky to win 25 games If he was given the talent MJ had to carry when he first came out of college. Every great player needs support around him but you have to play with what you are given and Michael improved his team better than the talent level he was given. Kobe should never be considered in the same sentance as MJ, I get tired of people bringing it up. No matter how much the league trys to market a guy to be the next Jordan we will never get a guy better than and certainly not get a guy who did more for the league.</div> Agreed 100% btw 63 in a game and lost? reminds me of someone , lol seriously now T-Mac should read this that it took about 5 years losing and losing to do what MJ did... We need to see Kobe in his own team. Anybody remembers the with Shaq era and the after Shaq era of Penny Hardaway? From what AllNet said this thread should be locked no more discussion.
Well Micheal is always a great player with great personality, have your ever heard any bad rumors like sexual assult things like that happen to Micheal, no. Well unless we are talking about Micheal Jackson...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dachen33:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Micheal is always a great player with great personality, have your ever heard any bad rumors like sexual assult things like that happen to Micheal, no. Well unless we are talking about Micheal Jackson...</div> Actually I remember articles and stories about Jordan messing around with women after getting married, which is adultery. That's all we know Kobe has done so far, so they're even in that part too right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PS11:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you mean, complete speculation? You know how many bars he's set? How many plateaus he's acheived? No one in the NBA currently is even close to being good enough to be compared to him, exceptions to only 1 person and that is Reggie Miller.</div> First of all I'm going to ignore your statement that the closest person to the level that Jordan achieved has been Reggie Miller. I'll just assume you were stoned. Now, I say the claim that no one will ever be as great as Jordan is complete speculation because THAT'S WHAT IT IS. No one (and that includes you) has ANY idea what the future will hold. In 2001 Karl Malone was widely proclaimed to be the greatest power forward of all time. In 2004 it looks like Tim Duncan will surpass him soon enough. In 1976 could anyone have imagined a player that would have not only size of Wilt Chamberlain and shooting touch of Jerry West, but also the athleticism of Julius Erving to boot? 20 years later, ladies and gentlemen, lo and behold: Kevin Garnett.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually I remember articles and stories about Jordan messing around with women after getting married, which is adultery. That's all we know Kobe has done so far, so they're even in that part too right now.</div> Yes and he ended up having to pay the woman lots of money to avoid a lawsuit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PrimeTime:</div><div class="quote_post"> Especially since MJ didn't face someone almost as good at him that played his position!!! Come on people, think about it thuroughly before you post.</div> See that statement right there, show truely how much you know about MJ & his matchups. A guy like MJ not only raised the level of his teammates but he also raised the level of play by his opponets. I can name you some players that you probably never heard of or heard of very little about, yet everytime # 23 would step into the building they use to try to play like their life depended on it. Guys like: John Starks(during his knick days), Mark Aguirre(Mavs), Ricky Pierce(Bucks), Hersey Hawkins(sixers/sonics), Bobby Phills(RIP), Rolando Blackman(Mavs, Knicks). Cats that the outside public would view as borderline all-stars at best use to try to play like Hall-famers. And thats what made MJ so great. He knew every night no matter who was standing across the court, they were gunning for him. And he raised his level of play night in & night out for that exact reason. He didnt need to see some of the leagues better known superstar across the court to raise his level of play. He didnt only get up for his scoring duels with Nique, or his playoff battles with Joe D & the pistons. Or clyde in the finals. Or any other high profile matchup that the NBA likes to focus on when they talk about MJ. He loved to get up for matchups against guys like Mookie Blaylock,Alvin Robertson, Reggie Lewis, guys who were truely some of the best perimeter defensive players during MJ's era. But never got the attention from the media. Those were the guys who were the hungryest to out shine MJ. MJ was always the type of player, that used any little thing to movitivate himself. So he felt if you were trying to get a name by go after him. He had to step his game up that much more. Trust me some of MJ's lesser known battles were some of his best. So to say that MJ had a lack of competion because you dont really know a any of his high profile opponets. I say MJ had competion every night, you just dont know the history. So, you dont know MJ's real competion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Now, I say the claim that no one will ever be as great as Jordan is complete speculation because THAT'S WHAT IT IS. No one (and that includes you) has ANY idea what the future will hold. In 2001 Karl Malone was widely proclaimed to be the greatest power forward of all time. In 2004 it looks like Tim Duncan will surpass him soon enough. In 1976 could anyone have imagined a player that would have not only size of Wilt Chamberlain and shooting touch of Jerry West, but also the athleticism of Julius Erving to boot? 20 years later, ladies and gentlemen, lo and behold: Kevin Garnett </div> really good point...i beliueve skill wise there will be players down the years (very rare) that will have the raw skills he had and maybe even surpass his skills....but its also his leadership, respect, reputation, rings, his legacy and his legends that surpass Michael Jordan overall from every other player that has touched the hardwood...its more then just skills will there be a player in the future that will surpass his skills? yes probably but to go past michael jordan and be ranked ahead of him, takes more then skill...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PrimeTime:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, but MJ never faced the KG's, Tim Duncans, T-Macs, Paul Pierces', etc. He faced Magic (late state of his career) and Bird as well (Late state too.) But can you name one player that actually was half as good as MJ back then and in their Prime? I think not! If Kobe, MJ, T-Mac, Paul Pierce, KG, TD, etc. played in the same era, MJ would not the the "American Idol" he is right now. Sorry but that is just true men.</div> My lord playa...MJ faced Bird and Magic from '85 on up...when they were both in their 6th seasons..hardly late stage of their careers..more like prime stage. Lets see who else he had to face night in and night out.. Sidney Moncrief Alex English Mitch Richmond Joe Dumars Reggie Miller Clyde Drexler 'Nique Bernard King Julius Erving Reggie Lewis Isiah Thomas Ron Harper (before his knee injury this cat was unreal) I could go on and on and on..to say MJ had no competition is completely absurd. In MJ's early days (and before Pip) MJ had to guard not only 2 guards but the best 3's as well and sometimes point guards......you need to do some research before you post like this playa.
I dont think there is difference beetween Kobe and MJ. They are both Ball-Hoggers. They Hog tha ball but they can do somethin with it. If I was to choose one of them two to be on my team, I would pick Kobe. MJ is good but he gettin old.
Dr. J came in town...Oh my gosh...he's abosutely the best Bird and Magic...The best ever, no one like em. MJ...the best ever... Times change, nobody will know what's going to happen. Those of you who said MJ was a great leader on his own? First of all he had pippen and a squad of sharp shooters waiting on the bench... Even before pippen in the 80s, headlines in newspapers had titles like, "Will MJ even win a ring"..."Drexler v.s. Jordan"...."He can score, but can not win"....Dude, he was just like T-mac...or AI...just scoring...and then he matured and had a great supporting cast. Quit saying MJ is the best ever, it has nothing to do with the freaking thread, it's comparing the 2...and who knows if he's gonna be the best ever...say if Kobe doesn't go to jail, and plays in the league for another 10 years...he'll be breaking records, and winning championships with the Lakers, if another team...Man you guys are so hard-headed...I know Im a great MJ fan, and right now he can be the best....but u got to look at reality. KB8 is exactly like jordan. Except, Jordan...was more aggressive towards the hole, and didn't use mutch penetration tactics...contrary to Kobe, he takes his time, using his dribble and footwork to beat his defender. Kobe has the clutchness, that MJ had...the dunks..the fadeaway..the heart... Kobe in his first couple of years with the Lakers, would just do a crossover dribble, and cram it on someone...now he uses his mind...and fundundamentals...he can be as aggressive and creative towards the whole. MJ came in the L in such a perfect time...HE got the shoes, the love, commercials, vidoes etc...and the hype...Kobe does't have the love, because MJ made a revolution. If u look at Come FLy with Me...it's awesome...but the defense is sorry...Tall skinny guys are getting dunked on with countless holes...Now it's so hard, because players are bulkier and stronger, not to mention the zone rules. Kobe got Shaq...Jordan had Pippen...Pippen was a defensive wizard...guarded all the premier stars in the L...in the 91 finals..they put pipster on the Magic Man...he did all the dirty work...Jordan got those fake steals and blocks from behind...while pippen distracted and smothered the opposition. quit making MJ like the god of basketball, you guys act like he is like 100x better than everyone...Players now can do exactly what he did (skills wise)...but MJ did in the perfect time. It's all about timing. When you hear a song a thousand times you get accustomed to it, or some sort of fashion trend, you get used to it. when you hear MJ a thousand times, people start getting brain washed...It's the hype...If you hear a song and it was aight...and somebody told you it was by 2pac...you would be like that songs dope. There is no such thing as the best ever...but there is a best...right now Kobe Bryant out of Lower Merion H.S. of Los Angeles Lakers is the Best hands down...He got everything as MJ...Mj was born early and came into the League at the precise time...No body will get as much love as MJ got...that's the way the world is...Kobe Bryant is equally as good, or better, but MJ is not 100x times better...okay maybe he's better at golf. 1 more thing before I jam....The east was weak then also, not as weak as now, but it was...those 10 losses were probably against the way better west teams...(Sonics, Houston, Suns)...KNicks? just aggressive defensive fiends who had no offense (Ewing- Mj's fav. poster boy)...HEAT? my gosh...same physical losers who couldnt score... Maybe MJ is better, or not, whatever, the main thing is that I hate it when you guys say "BEST EVER"...that term should be eliminated out of our every day vocabulary...it's irrevelant...Kobe does stand against the GOAT (as u guys put it)...plus MJ doesn't have the sheer moves that Kobe has...the buzzer beaters that MJ had were just normal shots...he just ran full speed and shot it...Kobe is more versatile with the ball, and is more creative or equal... Kobe=MJ Kobe Bryant has the midrange jumper, the fade away, the clutch factor, the creativity, the dunks, the flare, the heart, the defense, the impact...WHAT MORE DO U GUYS want...I bet if he scored a freaking 100 pts...u guys would be like "oh he's a ballhog...he got lucky...Mj's the best..."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Progidy:</div><div class="quote_post">Dr. J came in town...Oh my gosh...he's abosutely the best Bird and Magic...The best ever, no one like em. MJ...the best ever... Times change, nobody will know what's going to happen. Those of you who said MJ was a great leader on his own? First of all he had pippen and a squad of sharp shooters waiting on the bench...</div> you know he played about 4 seasons before Pip became an impact player. Jordan was the Bulls before Pip and he took 'em to the playoffs almost single handedly. To say Jordan wasn't a leader is uneducated. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even before pippen in the 80s, headlines in newspapers had titles like, "Will MJ even win a ring"..."Drexler v.s. Jordan"...."He can score, but can not win"....Dude, he was just like T-mac...or AI...just scoring...and then he matured and had a great supporting cast.</div> Jordan proved his greatness by throwing statements like that in the face of people who said them. Not only did he win 6 rings,but he made the all-defensive team....defensive player of the year..multilple MVPs AND scoring titles. Not bad for someone who was said to be too one dimensional to win anything in the NBA. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Quit saying MJ is the best ever, it has nothing to do with the freaking thread, it's comparing the 2...and who knows if he's gonna be the best ever...say if Kobe doesn't go to jail, and plays in the league for another 10 years...he'll be breaking records, and winning championships with the Lakers, if another team...Man you guys are so hard-headed...I know Im a great MJ fan, and right now he can be the best....but u got to look at reality. KB8 is exactly like jordan. Except, Jordan...was more aggressive towards the hole, and didn't use mutch penetration tactics...contrary to Kobe, he takes his time, using his dribble and footwork to beat his defender. Kobe has the clutchness, that MJ had...the dunks..the fadeaway..the heart...</div> First MJ being the best ever has alot to do with it when you comparing someone to him. MJ had several things Kobe doesn't have. First,his overall strength. MJ is pound for pound one of the strongest players in NBA history. MJ has a better basketball mind than that of Kobe,MJ was always one step ahead of his opponent. Leadership,MJ was a leader on the floor. MJ and the Bulls were forged in the fires of those hellish practices. They learned to trust and lean on each other because Mike demanded the best from everyone. He was the unequivacle leader on the Chicago Bulls. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe in his first couple of years with the Lakers, would just do a crossover dribble, and cram it on someone...now he uses his mind...and fundundamentals...he can be as aggressive and creative towards the whole. MJ came in the L in such a perfect time...HE got the shoes, the love, commercials, vidoes etc...and the hype...Kobe does't have the love, because MJ made a revolution. If u look at Come FLy with Me...it's awesome...but the defense is sorry...Tall skinny guys are getting dunked on with countless holes...Now it's so hard, because players are bulkier and stronger, not to mention the zone rules.</div> Mikes popularity REALLY took off when his game blossomed and became more complete. Before that his popularity was celebrated by basketball nuts,but after say 88-89,when his overall game went to another level people all over the world embraced him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe got Shaq...Jordan had Pippen...Pippen was a defensive wizard...guarded all the premier stars in the L...in the 91 finals..they put pipster on the Magic Man...he did all the dirty work...Jordan got those fake steals and blocks from behind...while pippen distracted and smothered the opposition.</div> Pip was great,but you make it seem like he was the SOLE reason. He did get alot of the harder defensive match-ups but that was in part to keep Mike fresh for the offensive side. But having said that,Mike was still very capable of locking down thr 1-3 positions on any given night. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">quit making MJ like the god of basketball, you guys act like he is like 100x better than everyone...Players now can do exactly what he did (skills wise)...but MJ did in the perfect time. It's all about timing. When you hear a song a thousand times you get accustomed to it, or some sort of fashion trend, you get used to it. when you hear MJ a thousand times, people start getting brain washed...It's the hype...If you hear a song and it was aight...and somebody told you it was by 2pac...you would be like that songs dope. Kobe Bryant has the midrange jumper, the fade away, the clutch factor, the creativity, the dunks, the flare, the heart, the defense, the impact...WHAT MORE DO U GUYS want...I bet if he scored a freaking 100 pts...u guys would be like "oh he's a ballhog...he got lucky...Mj's the best..."</div> Have you ever seen MJ play? Ever? By this entire post you leave that open for debate. Kobe has a long way to go before he is even considered in the same atmosphere as Mike. He's not a leader. As we've seen several times,when Shaq is out the Lakers stumble and fall. Last year...how many did the Lakers drop in a row while Shaq was gone? Where was Kobe's leadership then? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There is no such thing as the best ever...but there is a best...right now Kobe Bryant out of Lower Merion H.S. of Los Angeles Lakers is the Best hands down...He got everything as MJ...Mj was born early and came into the League at the precise time...No body will get as much love as MJ got...that's the way the world is...Kobe Bryant is equally as good, or better, but MJ is not 100x times better...okay maybe he's better at golf.</div> Kobe has some of the same attributes but he is not 'as good or better' than MJ. You act as if MJ did nothing to garner what he did. Without MJ we would possibly have no Kobe Bryant as we know it. Kobe has a ways to go before he can stand shoulder to shoulder with MJ. Accept it.
Jordan's Statistics: YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2 85-86 CHI 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7 86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1 87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0 88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5 89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6 90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5 91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1 92-93 CHI 78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.70 5.00 6.70 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6 94-95 CHI 17 17 39.3 .411 .500 .801 1.50 5.40 6.90 5.3 1.76 .76 2.06 2.80 26.9 95-96 CHI 82 82 37.7 .495 .427 .834 1.80 4.80 6.60 4.3 2.20 .51 2.40 2.40 30.4 96-97 CHI 82 82 37.9 .486 .374 .833 1.40 4.50 5.90 4.3 1.71 .54 2.02 1.90 29.6 97-98 CHI 82 82 38.8 .465 .238 .784 1.60 4.20 5.80 3.5 1.72 .55 2.26 1.80 28.7 01-02 WAS 60 53 34.9 .416 .189 .790 .80 4.80 5.70 5.2 1.42 .43 2.70 2.00 22.9 02-03 WAS 82 67 37.0 .445 .291 .821 .90 5.20 6.10 3.8 1.50 .48 2.11 2.10 20.0 Career 1,072 1,039 38.3 .497 .327 .835 1.60 4.70 6.20 5.3 2.35 .83 2.73 2.60 30.1 Playoff 179 179 41.8 .487 .332 .828 1.70 4.70 6.40 5.7 2.10 .88 3.05 3.00 33.4 All-Star 13 13 29.4 .472 .273 .750 1.70 3.00 4.70 4.2 2.85 .46 3.23 2.40 20.2 Kobe's Statistics: YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 .417 .375 .819 .70 1.20 1.90 1.3 .69 .32 1.58 1.40 7.6 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 .428 .341 .794 1.00 2.10 3.10 2.5 .94 .51 1.99 2.30 15.4 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 .465 .267 .839 1.10 4.20 5.30 3.8 1.44 1.00 3.14 3.10 19.9 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 .468 .319 .821 1.60 4.70 6.30 4.9 1.61 .94 2.76 3.30 22.5 00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 .464 .305 .853 1.50 4.30 5.90 5.0 1.68 .63 3.24 3.30 28.5 01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 .469 .250 .829 1.40 4.10 5.50 5.5 1.48 .44 2.79 2.90 25.2 02-03 LAL 82 82 41.5 .451 .383 .843 1.30 5.60 6.90 5.9 2.21 .82 3.51 2.70 30.0 03-04 LAL 65 64 37.6 .438 .327 .852 1.60 3.90 5.50 5.1 1.72 .43 2.63 2.70 24.0 Career 561 413 34.4 .454 .331 .834 1.30 3.80 5.00 4.3 1.47 .62 2.69 2.70 21.8 Playoff 101 81 37.3 .435 .341 .792 1.20 3.70 4.90 4.2 1.29 .82 2.60 3.30 22.2 All-Star 6 6 30.3 .505 .429 .750 1.70 2.80 4.50 4.3 2.33 .50 2.67 2.80 20.8 For those of you who think Kobe is better than MJ the statistics says otherwise. Until the day Kobe averages better than 30 ppg AND shoots better 50% there is no point comparing the two. MJ has far better numbers than Kobe does. Short of a time machine that will allow us to zap Kobe back to 1988 and play MJ one on one, statistics is what we have to rely on. The stats speaks for itself.
Who knows Dre? who knows? About what u said about Shaq being out...umm...The Lakers offense goes through shaq...and the Bulls offense goes through MJ...MJ has to be the leader...If Shaq gets out...and Kobe is the primary offense for a couple of weeks...the chem. is not there, the experience is not there... The leadership is not arguable. Leadership is not easy to measure. U got to be in the locker room and practices to do that. You got to be in the huddle to see that...We as fans, spectators, can not really see that. Lakers ain't Kobe's team...MJ was the team. You act like I'm saying that Kobe is better than MJ. Kobe Bryant has similar, or the same, attributes as MJ. We will see after Kobe goes to jail, or retires, because it's hard to argue. Do you know how many shots Jordan sometimes took? Do you know why Horace Grant left the team? What about Kerr gettin' socked? What about the fact that he was criticized for not passing the ball in the 4th? What you said about Pippen being mentored by Jordan is wack, did you forget about Phil Jackson. can you read Kobe's lips during close games. He's tellin' them advice. He was tellin' the 40 year old vetaren, Malone, to calm down, during a bad call (I forgot when or what it was, but he did) He was telling Malone what to do. He's a b-ball prodigy...He tells Shaq that he can hit the freethrows when the game is on the line... Besides those "abstract" points you pointed in your thread...Kobe Bryant is = to Michael Jordan...Kobe has to develop the leadership (when he gets his team) and is maturing vastly year by year. I don't know how you say Kobe shouldn't even be in the same atmosphere. Look I'm talking skillwise, not that drama about MVP, determination, helping, leadership, etc. They both got that thing, zest. Kobe is developing maturity, leadership (when he's in that position) because he's barely in his 7th or 8th year...He's barely 25!!! Talk to me after he retires k? Remember the finals against the Pacers, how Kobe made the key decisions and points, when SHaq was gone...How old was he like 21, 22? Bottom Line, MJ was dope, maybe dopest, but MJ's hype has created this "thing", that nobody can erase, there is also nostalgia towards him. MJ said it him self, that people think he can do stuff that he probably can't even do. KB8 is so much like Jordan, but don't say that Jordan will be the bestest ever and ever and he aint no where near. Trust me Kobe Bryant has the ingredients. MJ stood out, that's why, now every one is alike, in terms of athleticy and style of play. Kobe has the potential to be Mr. Jordan. Kobe and MJ are the same skillwise, and if you send Kobe Bryant to the CHicago Bulls, and give him a 6,8 defensive wiz, and 5 sharp shooters, and a former Knick as a coach, I think he would be successful. They both have the same style of play. The fact that they played in different eras and teams make them different. The team has a lot to do with it. Don't make MJ like a million X better based on what he did, because Kobe still gotta eliminate the Rockets, let alone finish his career. In Raw talent they got that same attributes.
