Okay.......once people in this thread start comparing Tony Parker to Michael Jordan you know you are in for some bad quality. I won't even bother with that one. I think Parker is the next biggest contributor to the Spurs success next to Tim Duncan. He plays the same consistent/robotic style of point guard that perfectly complements Tim in every way. Put any other point guard in his place and they would not be guranteed a championship because of their style of play. Baron takes too many bad shots to be considered a true point. Jason is more adept at running the break whereas the Spurs are a half court team based from the inside out and pick and rolls. Also who is going to take that three pointer when Timmy is doubled in the post? JKidd can't shoot as well as Parker and the last time I checked, a point guard has to have a consistent shot from the outside. Tony Parker (whether it was forced or not) has developed his game to perfectly complement Tim Duncans presence. Any other point guard would put a monkey wrench in the Spurs offense. Why are people disregarding him as a shooting point guard? Anyone who has seen him play knows that 90% of the decisions he makes out there are the correct ones. I thought being a point guard was always about making the right decisions anyways be it shooting or passing to the post. Just because his assist numbers aren't up to par (which they are actually for the playoffs) doesn't mean he is a shoot first guard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike Bibby </div> In away I might agree because probably benefits the most from the team he plays on. Sac has so many weapons teams cant really focus on stopping Bibby. But with that being said, Webber & Peja arent clutch players so where would the kings be these last few season without Bibby 4th quarter play alot of nights? Probably alot of early exits in the playoffs like when they had Jason Williams at the point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Gary Payton </div> of course he is on the Lakers, that system has tried to turn him into a glorified Derek Fisher. And that isnt Payton's style, so he cant contribute. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Baron Davis</div> Granted his stats are a bit inflated due to the fact he takes like 21 shots a game & his efficiency is horrible. But with all the injuries to the Hornets this year especially Mashburn going down, Davis has at times been there only option who can create shots for him & others. So its hard for me to see that Parker meant more to his team this year then B.Davis. ,<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Steve Nash </div> No,No,No imo. I not a huge steve Nash fan but he sets so much of the tone & pace for the Mavs. The Mavs look totally lost when he misses a game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Chauncy Billups</div> This one is questionable,But the Piston get alot of their offense from their backcourt. If you take Billups off that team their offense would have a hard time finding players to produce his type of points & clutch shooting on their current roster.
I keep on seeing more talent on Parker that in Kobe, i dont know who im talking, so, basket in tv is a total different story than played basketball, maybe u love Kobe coz he dunks... and i never compared Parker with Jordan, i said he was a MINI version, based on their styles of play, quick and explosive, and a great lay up maker. And the closest thing to Jordan is not TMac or Kobe, is LeBron. Btw i played 10 years organized basketball, since i was 6 years old and went to my county selection, and you? I say that coz most people think they know basketball coz they watched lots of games on tv...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">I keep on seeing more talent on Parker that in Kobe, i dont know who im talking, so, basket in tv is a total different story than played basketball, maybe u love Kobe coz he dunks... and i never compared Parker with Jordan, i said he was a MINI version, based on their styles of play, quick and explosive, and a great lay up maker. And the closest thing to Jordan is not TMac or Kobe, is LeBron. Btw i played 10 years organized basketball, since i was 6 years old and went to my county selection, and you? I say that coz most people think they know basketball coz they watched lots of games on tv...</div> You played 10 years of organized basketball and you think Tony Parker has more talent than Kobe Bryant?? Parker a mini-version of Michael Jordan??
Henacy- I don't like comparing players because it is simply too hard and nearly impossible. I am just saying that Parker is a rising star and should be considered amoung the ellite point guards in the League.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Henacy- I don't like comparing players because it is simply too hard and nearly impossible. I am just saying that Parker is a rising star and should be considered amoung the ellite point guards in the League.</div> Yea, I was pretty much done with this debate & topic anyway. I see people bring up Jordan & kobe. And I really dont see how tony Parker has anything to do with the 2. This topic has gotten a bit off the subject matter. I agree Tony Parker has had an excellent playoffs. And is slowly moving up the food chain of the point guard position.
Yea I think we all agree he's a rising star/ PG but he's aobut the 10th or 11th best PG in the league, and getting higher by the day. I'm sorry Spud but I think many of us here also play basketball and if you're saying he's like Jordan because he's quick and explozive and a good layup maker, we can say that and even more about Baron Davis, Steve Francis, Kobe, Tmac, etc etc etc
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post"> I see people bring up Jordan & kobe. And I really dont see how tony Parker has anything to do with the 2. </div>I don't either. Horrible comparisons. So I guess we both agree that he is a rising star.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">omg arroyo is also better no? Tony Parker is top 5 in my opinion and for sure 1 of the funniest players to watch. Davis, Nash and Francis are not better.</div> Ok Davis Nash and Francis are all better than Parker, but i dont agree that Parker is not a star. Dropping 30 on the Lakers, enough damage to make Phil Collins question his defense as well as hav a conference on how to stop Parker. Star, well a rising one. Wait till he hits his prime.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ReRun:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok Davis Nash and Francis are all better than Parker, but i dont agree that Parker is not a star.</div> You might be able to make a case for Nash and Davis being better but there is no way in hell Francis is a better PG. He looks for his shot and his shot alone, kinda like Davis at times. Parker is always looking to get someone else a shot like a PG should be doing.
For Baron I won't say it's his fault he shoots a lot since he's basically, actually not basically, but is the only player in hi team that can create. David Wesley I guess could too but he's an old man. Magloire can get his own shot at times but not enough to be a No.1 option. If Baron had a big man that the ball could go to for 20 points a game or something you'd see a different Baron, but right now on the team he's the only guy basically.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">For Baron I won't say it's his fault he shoots a lot since he's basically, actually not basically, but is the only player in hi team that can create. David Wesley I guess could too but he's an old man. Magloire can get his own shot at times but not enough to be a No.1 option. If Baron had a big man that the ball could go to for 20 points a game or something you'd see a different Baron, but right now on the team he's the only guy basically.</div>Well Magloire wasn't an all star for nothing, he can play. Good PGs know how to utilize their players. I see where you are coming from though.
Yea you know, Magloire can score, but the most he could put up is about 15 points a game, and a fair amount of his points come from drive and dishes by Baron. One thing though is that Baron can drive at will and absorb contact and get to the line, but he doesn't, but it could also be because he know's he can't shoot free throws that well
Just try to understand my points, Kobe or Jordan ever will be better scorers, also better clutch shooters, but since Michael nobody has impressed me like Parker in my concept of the game. This coming from a guy who with 12 years spend all his birthday money buying 3 jordan tapes to imititate all his moves... Parker is doing some incredible moves and been 6.2" give him lots of credit, if basketball is a sport, just get Kobe, if is a game I prefer to see Parker. I would take Kobe for my team, but valuability is not the same than basketball talent. At least you have to agree with me that if Parker played in New Orleans in place of Baron he could average 20ppp with ease. Duncan and Popovich are the real reasons why Parker is not a superstar.
If he played in place of Baron, he'd could average 20 points, but his FG% will be something like Iversons, or maybe worse, he'd shoot like 35% (Okay not that bad lol). Baron's (FG%) isn't good either, but he's better than Parker right now, better passer, defender, and scorer. If Baron took a normal person's amount of 3's, he'd shoot about 43% from the field, but he takes 9 which is really why his FG% is bad.
i hav a correction for myself i called phil collins phil jackson. and parker is so effective because of his quickness; quick feet and quick thinking.
i think parker is not in the top10 pg its my opinion 1.Kidd 2.Francis 3.Davis 4.Cassell 5.Marbury 6.Nash 7.Arenas 8.Bibby 9.Payton 10.Billups
Steve Francis is not the #2 PG. That is a complete joke. Francis had a terrible season, and he dropped alot. Why is Payton so low?
^well i think he means this year and i think that is exactly where Gary Payton is this year IMO. But i do agree with you, Francis is WAY too high on that list. I would have BDavis, Nash, Cassell and Marbury all ahead of him.
I personally think Marbury is one of the best in the league. He's similar to Parker, but has more talent I think. Marbury can dominate in one-on-one matchups, and if he had someone like Duncan to run pick and rolls with, it would be insane. I also think Marbury has a better jumper than Parker.
