<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Harter has worked for over 50 seasons as both a head coach and an assistant. He was Charlotte's first head coach, serving from 1988-90.</div> Nothing to get too excited about. But a new assistant coach won't hurt us. Link
Like you said, <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nothing to get excited about</div> Hopefully he will be a good addition to next year's team.
So does this mean that Chris is gone? Seeing as Jim brings over his two assistant coaches, and now Harter is involved.
I can see this team taking a turn for the better. A new assistant coach cant bring harm to this team look at it, and they got Jim O'Brien and Harter's experince what more do they need?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can see this team taking a turn for the better. A new assistant coach cant bring harm to this team look at it, and they got Jim O'Brien and Harter's experince what more do they need?</div> Turn for the better? I hope so...What we need right now. Is to get rid of Derrick Coleman, Glenn Robinson ( Possibly ), Buckner, McCaskil, Slamons and Hamilton. I'm not sure what we can get for those players. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So does this mean that Chris is gone? Seeing as Jim brings over his two assistant coaches, and now Harter is involved.</div> Most likely. I was kind of hoping he would stay as an assistant. He would teach some dicipline. According to BC/Hagrid thats one quality that Jim O'Brien doesnt posess. Then again, Chris Ford and Allen Iverson don't see eye to eye.
I mentioned to Philly fans that there were certain things that were sure to come, once they hired OB. This was one of them. I'm starting to truly feel for Philly fans. Here's a stock tip: Buy Ben Gay stock. There's likely going to be alot of stiff necks from watching all the over the top lobs in the fronting post defense that Harter's sure to implement. That's likely to come off as harsh, but OB's nothing, if not consistent. My condolences.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I mentioned to Philly fans that there were certain things that were sure to come, once they hired OB. This was one of them. I'm starting to truly feel for Philly fans. Here's a stock tip: Buy Ben Gay stock. There's likely going to be alot of stiff necks from watching all the over the top lobs in the fronting post defense that Harter's sure to implement. That's likely to come off as harsh, but OB's nothing, if not consistent. My condolences.</div> Here we go again...Hagrid you keep assuming that the 76ers will end up no better than last season with Jim O'Brien as the head coach. Honestly, what makes you so sure that they will end up the way you assume they will. You’re making it sounds as if Jim O’Brien is going to be on the court with them playing 48 minutes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, what makes you so sure that they will end up the way you assume they will.</div> 1. I'm entitled to say what I think. You're entitled not to listen. 2. I have alot of experience in watching OB and Harter. 3. The same comments were made when I made my last post indicating what I thought would happen in Philly. To date, I've already got one prediction correct. Therefore, what I'm telling you has to have some merit, Now doesn't it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2. I have alot of experience in watching OB and Harter.</div> I understand that you have a lot of experience watching Jim O’Brien and Dick Harter. You follow the Celtics and you obviously have more knowledge on Jim O’Brien and Dick Harter and their coaching style. But you have to remember that’s with another team and OB and Harter could possibly change their coaching philosophy with the 76ers or they can continue what they did with Boston. But what I’m saying is that Jim O'Brien and Harter did a good job with the Boston Celtics. You can't deny it. And I don't see how it's going to be any different with the 76ers. And I see your mentioning the flaws to Jim O’Brien and Dick Harter coaching style. But what coach doesn’t have any flaws to their coaching. According to you, OB and Harter aren’t necessarily strong on the post defense. But for a coach that led his team to the eatern conference finals and has a +.500 record as a coach he obviously has more strengths than weakness to his coaching. And that's going to help Philadelhpia more than it will hurt them.
Of course they are different situations and I've not said that I see anything as matter-of-fact. Likely and possibly have accompanied many of what I've said COULD happen. Like I said, consistancy is the hob-goblin of little minds and OB and Harter fit the bill. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But what I?m saying is that Jim O'Brien and Harter did a good job with the Boston Celtics.</div> If you're the type of fan who values meaningless wins at any cost, then OB is your man. IMO, he's the type of coach who throws out the baby with the bath water. He doesn't develop young players (Hint: better hope that doesn't apply to Dalembert) and I'm guessing that you'll find many of his player rotations and defensive schemes difficult to comprehend and non-sensical. Sure, Philly isn't Boston and I'm not saying that there's not a chance he'll coach differently. I can however, provide you the warning signs to be wary of in the meantime.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you're the type of fan who values meaningless wins at any cost, then OB is your man. IMO, he's the type of coach who throws out the baby with the bath water. He doesn't develop young players (Hint: better hope that doesn't apply to Dalembert) and I'm guessing that you'll find many of his player rotations and defensive schemes difficult to comprehend and non-sensical.</div> Meaningless wins? I'm not too sure on what you meant by that. The way I’m comprehending that statement, it seems as if you didn’t appreciate what Jim O'Brien did for the Celtics ball club. And your drawing the 76ers future based on what Jim O'Brien did with the Celtics this season. Well if you don’t think he did a decent job at least. I don’t know what to say. Well like I said, I’m not exactly clear on what you meant by that, (Meaningless wins) but maybe you can clarify that? As for Samuel Dalembart, I doubt Jim O’Brien and the new coaching staff will have any affect on him. Dalembart developed into a good player on his own. Larry Brown probably mentored him on a thing or two, but his injuries and lack of minutes didn’t allow him too show it off. But nonetheless, Dalembart developed into something on his own, and he’s doing a pretty good job with it. Neither Randy Ayers nor Chris Ford had anything to do with Samuel Dalembart growth. And like you said Jim O’Brien doesn’t develop young basketball players. But correct if I’m wrong, but did he even get a chance to develop a young basketball player that actually had potential to be worth some kind of value for the team? I’m not aware of any… <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, Philly isn't Boston and I'm not saying that there's not a chance he'll coach differently. I can however, provide you the warning signs to be wary of in the meantime.</div> Well since you already gave us some of the warnings. Is there anything positive we can look foawrd to at least?
This is just my opinion but I'm pretty sure that almost everyone here is looking forward to seeing what JO can do for our team. And I'm also pretty sure that most of us have confidence in him. We've heard what you've been saying about him but just let us have the opportunity to judge for ourselves before you sit there and pick everything apart.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We've heard what you've been saying about him but just let us have the opportunity to judge for ourselves before you sit there and pick everything apart.</div> That's fair enough, I'll back off a little. However, you'll have to forgive me the indulgence of notating any futher warnings signs as they might pop up. I'll try to keep the tone lessened though. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well like I said, I?m not exactly clear on what you meant by that, (Meaningless wins) but maybe you can clarify that?</div> What's meant by that is that in Boston, trips to the ECF's don't mean as much. We demand banners, period. OB rode the backs of his stars: PP and AW to get there. Sure he gets some credit, but those who know better, know he wasn't doing much in terms of exemplary coaching that's usually credited with advancing that far. He's also extremely guilty of sacrificing the future of the franchise for success now. Success, I might mention that not only didn't come, but if you'll allow one brief example: JJ for Rogers and Delk. This was a move advocated by OB. It was a NOW move, that was all about him trying to find a way to keep his job and in most Celtics fans minds, that's all he was concerned with. That's what I mean by meaningless wins. No young player development and many, many more issues. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well since you already gave us some of the warnings. Is there anything positive we can look foawrd to at least?</div> Sure. OB and AI will likely get along famously, which will be good for the mental states of Philly fans. OB gives his vets free-reign on and off the court. That means that Philly fans should be able to expect AI to return to MVP type status (and unfortunately, probably a very poor fg%, as OB won't reign him in). OB's not a stupid man, but he losses focus on what's really important and the here and now is at the sacrifice of tomorrow. That's all fine and good if it pays off. Problem is, when it doesn't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What's meant by that is that in Boston, trips to the ECF's don't mean as much. We demand banners, period. OB rode the backs of his stars: PP and AW to get there.</div> Don't mean as much? You might be the type of fan, who will appreciate a team if and only they can get a championship. But making it to the EFC is pretty good IMO. That gives you an impression like, hey this guy known what he’s doing if he’s gotten this far. So that’s one thing I’m taking into consideration since Jim O’Brien became head coach. As for the coaches riding their players (no pun intended)…what coaches don’t? Players come first. Coaches coach well if and only they’re best players are on the court. Sports analyses are always talking about how Phil Jackson does his best coaching job in the Playoff’s. Why? That’s because their players, in this case it would be Kobe, Shaq, Malone etc ... Are usually 100% mentally set and ready to go. When its playoff time they step up their game therefore that would lead the coach to do his best job coaching. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's also extremely guilty of sacrificing the future of the franchise for success now. Success, I might mention that not only didn't come, but if you'll allow one brief example: JJ for Rogers and Delk. This was a move advocated by OB. It was a NOW move, that was all about him trying to find a way to keep his job and in most Celtics fans minds, that's all he was concerned with. That's what I mean by meaningless wins. No young player development and many, many more issues.</div> I see what your saying. That was indeed a dumb move. But Billy King is a smart GM and wouldn’t let a trade like that go down. He would look more into it, and see how it would best benefit the team and it's future. If he was the type of GM that would allow a trade like that to go down, Samuel Dalembart wouldn’t be a 76er today. But then again, you can't blame Jim O'Brien all that much for suggesting a trade for JJ. Joe Johnson was injured prone that season and wasn’t really contributing to the team. I think he only played like 45 games that season. But when they acquired Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers, it was a good pick up at that time. They both contributed more to the team, than JJ did. And I doubt the Celtics would make it as far without Rogers and Delk. So in a way it had an effect on the Celtics positively and negatively.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You might be the type of fan, who will appreciate a team if and only they can get a championship</div> I'm not sure how you meant it to come across, but it sounds like you just called me a bandwagon Celtics fan?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure how you meant it to come across, but it sounds like you just called me a bandwagon Celtics fan?</div> I never said that you were a bandwagon fan, nor was it my intentions to make it sound like you’re a bandwagon fan. I could tell your a <font color="YellowGreen">true</font> Celtics fan. But it was just when you said: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What's meant by that is that in Boston, trips to the ECF's don't mean as much. We demand banners, period.</div> That banner sentence made me think as if you want a championship or nothing else matters.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That banner sentence made me think as if you want a championship or nothing else matters.</div> Fair enough and thanks for clarifying your statement. Allow me to better explain that portion of my statement. Many Die-hard Celtics fans, like myself, demand a certain and lasting level of excellence. It's a Celtics thing, maybe even a Boston fan thing. Yes, the ECF's are a nice accomplishment, but it will never satisfy or sustain us. Even when we win a championships, Celtics fans debate how we could have done it better. Get what I mean now? Constant vigilance and examination are the price of excellence. If we're ever to return to greatness, that's just the way it has to be.
