<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LA Clippers Trade-Melvin Ely, Peja Drobnjak Boston Celtics Trade-Jumaine Jones, Walter McCarty</div> Unless the FA trading opens before the Expansion draft date, then this one isn't likely to happen. Waltah and/or JJ are likely to be left unprotected. I don't think 1 or both would be around for the scenario to even play itself out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Unless the FA trading opens before the Expansion draft date, then this one isn't likely to happen. Waltah and/or JJ are likely to be left unprotected. I don't think 1 or both would be around for the scenario to even play itself out.</div> Why can't this happen before the expansion draft? The Clippers might even just look to unload the cap space by leaving Jones and McCarty unprotected.
That's kinda what I just asked. Can you trade FA's before the Draft or does that start after the draft's? Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone would pull the trigger on trades before the expansion draft, to know who's left unprotected, etc. Know what I mean?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">That's kinda what I just asked. Can you trade FA's before the Draft or does that start after the draft's? Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone would pull the trigger on trades before the expansion draft, to know who's left unprotected, etc. Know what I mean?</div> Yeah I getcha. I'm not sure about that? However, from what I've noticed from past offseasons, teams start trading after July 16th, the FA signing period, or on draft night. So why can't these teams pull this off during the expansions draft?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So why can't these teams pull this off during the expansions draft?</div> Assuming the FA period starts before then, nothing. The question would be though: Would they want to? Personally, I can't see any good reason to pull a trade before the Expansion Draft, unless you're setting something up for the Expansion draft (like getting rid of a big contract). Otherwise, I'd like to wait and see who was claimed, released, etc. Just makes the most sense in my mind to wait, rather than pull something prematurely that could hurt us.
A VERY different proposition Ok folks, this one is going to come out of seemingly NO WHERE, but I came across a thought recently and have pondered whether or not to share it. I'm normally not shy to offer anything up, but this one is going to come literally, from off the grid: <u>Let's Sign Miller. </u> No, not Brad or Mike.........<u><font color="DarkGreen">Oliver</font></u> Yes, I said that, but hear me out. The Big O was looking like he was going to be a very good Center, before weight problems derailed his career temporarily. In December of 2003, Minnesota signed him to a one year contract as a contingency when Olowakandi was placed on the IR. Consider the following:<ul> [*]He's a FA at seasons end. [*]He's dramatically worked on his wieght issue and reports are that he's back under 320 (and he looks it judging from seeing him on the bench) [*]He has exemplary passing skills [*]He'll be cheap [*]This is his last go around, so we're likely to get his best [*]We need size, particulary size that can help immediately [*]He's a veteran presence [/list] OK, now I know some of you are groaning that we don't need another player with issues that might come back to haunt us. I'd submit to counter that, that there's nothing to lose on this one. Even if he only plays 15 a game while guys like Mihm and Perkins are developing, he could be a solid acquisition. Ok, let the stones fly.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok folks, this one is going to come out of seemingly NO WHERE, but I came across a thought recently and have pondered whether or not to share it. I'm normally not shy to offer anything up, but this one is going to come literally, from off the grid: <u>Let's Sign Miller. </u> No, not Brad or Mike.........<u><font color="DarkGreen">Oliver</font></u> Yes, I said that, but hear me out. The Big O was looking like he was going to be a very good Center, before weight problems derailed his career temporarily. In December of 2003, Minnesota signed him to a one year contract as a contingency when Olowakandi was placed on the IR. Consider the following:<ul> [*]He's a FA at seasons end. [*]He's dramatically worked on his wieght issue and reports are that he's back under 320 (and he looks it judging from seeing him on the bench) [*]He has exemplary passing skills [*]He'll be cheap [*]This is his last go around, so we're likely to get his best [*]We need size, particulary size that can help immediately [*]He's a veteran presence [/list] OK, now I know some of you are groaning that we don't need another player with issues that might come back to haunt us. I'd submit to counter that, that there's nothing to lose on this one. Even if he only plays 15 a game while guys like Mihm and Perkins are developing, he could be a solid acquisition. Ok, let the stones fly. </div> Well, this wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but not a bad idea I don't think there will be any "issues" problems, but there will be problems with playing time. With Mihm and Perkins, when will Miller play? Perkins needs some playing time next season and unless Ainge has given up on Mihm, Mihm does as well. And with the draft, if Ainge keeps at least two of the picks then unless both rookies go on the IL there won't be a roster spot for Miller. But a nice idea if Ainge makes some deals freeing up roster spots. :thumbsup:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">With Mihm and Perkins, when will Miller play?</div> That's why I said 15 mins per game. If Mihm is still around, He's likely the starting Center (God help us all), with Blount almost a given to be gone. Perkins is unlikely to be ready for big minutes by next season. Yes, he'll need some, but there's no reason we can't play Center by committee next season, as it seems like the most likely scenario anyways. Barring an unforeseen move by Ainge to bring in an impact Center, we're not going to get one out of the draft that's ready to play. Most likely, any picks we retain will end up designated to the IR, so they can develop. Almost all the big's that we're rumored to be targetting in the draft are projects from overseas or HS. Mihm gets 20-25 Miller gets 10-15 Perkins gets whatever's left, depending on his progress. This also leaves Raef to play PF, where he rightly belongs anyways.
Oliver Miller...I wouldn't mind him if he comes for the right price, but I question his commitment and stamina to play big minutes. If Mark Bryant is gone and the C's don't get a big man through deals or the draft, it's very likely that Miller would play for more than 20 minutes a game. Could he manage that PT for 82 games? Also, he gives his best only when he's back is against the wall. Will he think that this gig could be his last? That's hard to tell. Oliver Miller is the only person that is stopping Oliver Miller from being the player that Oliver Miller could be.
Plain and simple, build around Paul Pierce. Ricky is a nice addition. Perkins does need some playing time next season. Marcus Banks should get his chance. Chucky should stay. Jiri Welsch,uuuhhhhh, well, the rest could be trade bait!!! The C's are 1 "great" or 2 "good" players away from contending. DON'T sell out in a trade, Ainge is building! Let's see what his "plan" looks like in 2 years. What I wonder is where Raef LaFrentz fits in to Ainge's "blueprint"
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">DON'T sell out in a trade, Ainge is building! </div> There's little reality in thinking that Dannyboy isn't going to make trades this off-season, or even with our draft picks. It will happen, I have absolutely no doubt about it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's see what his "plan" looks like in 2 years. </div> If his plan take 2 more years, we better make significant improvement in the stay, otherwise, he won't be here in 2 years. He's already turned the franchise seemingly on it's head and he's got most people willing to wait it out a bit, but 2 years is too long. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What I wonder is where Raef LaFrentz fits in to Ainge's "blueprint"</div> That's a good question. I think he's the type of player that Danny wants, but who knows. I'm waiting to see how he handles all the media speculation when he's left unprotected for the Expansion draft.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">This also leaves Raef to play PF, where he rightly belongs anyways. </div> Wow, I completely forgot about Lafrentz, probably because almost every trade I've seen has something to do with him being shipped out. I kind of like the idea, but I'm just scared that Perkins will follow the trend of drafted Celtics that get no playing time and don't develop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm just scared that Perkins will follow the trend of drafted Celtics that get no playing time and don't develop.</div> I think pretty much every Celtics fan who knows about the personel moves and lack of young player development in the last 5-7 years, <u>has</u> to have the very same worry BC. I know I do. I think Doc, with Danny's assistance can find a much better mix of playing time options than we've seen under previous regimes. <font size="1"><font color="DarkRed">(Not that it could be any worse...)</font></font> PS: What trade rumors have you heard that involve Raef? <font size="1"><font color="DarkRed">(I only ask because I can't recall any and want in on the rumors)</font></font>
I haven't heard any rumors regarding LaFrentz, but rumors are inevitable, especially in LaFrentz's case, who has skills but injuries and a big contract holds him back. He is an enticing trade bait, although he has too many years left on his contract to arouse much interests.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>OT: </u> Trip, you change your sig? I thought there were more JJ's in the last one?</div> Yeah I did. Props to TimFlem for making it. Hot eh?
Here's an idea, this is kind of like hagrid's but instead of Oliver Miller Ainge signs Mehmet Okur. I know he'll be more expensive than Miller, but he's a much better player and is younger. The Piston's won't be able to sign him unless they let Sheed go. Okur is a great rebounder, a decent shooter, and if he wasn't stuck playing with two great defenders and rebounders his stats would be even better.
Okur would be good to have, but I think the Celtics should try to put re-signing Mark Bryant as their top priority. It's better to have someone who knows the system play for you than someone who is not acclimated to the coach's style and new teammates. Also, Okur has mentioned that he looks forward to staying in Detroit, and I think the Pistons are willing to let Rasheed Wallace go and start Okur at PF.
