Trade Rumor--Jamison

Would he really be worth that much and be of much help? Sure he's a great sixth man, good at boarding, a good scorer. But you'd be ridding yourselves of effort and defense found in Diop and Battie. I don't really know what to say about Wagner, if you developed him he could be useful but the Cavaliers need people who are ready and willing to work to be good. Someone like Battie and Diop are like, yet so is Jamison. I'd rather not do it though, they proved how hard they work.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure he's a great sixth man,</div>

Jamison is only a Sixth man on the Mavs. He's a starter anywhere else in the league and has been his whole career.

The only reason I can think of not to do this trade would be because they think the Diop will eventually be a better Center than Big Z. Otherwise, I'd pull the trigger.

 

I am worried about Jamison's contract from a cavs POV, but at the same time you can't build a team on potential unless you are sure it's going to work out - guys like Wagner and Diop to me have shown little to suggest they are going to be anything more than solid contributors. I think Juan is too short for a shooting guard, and has the wrong mentality and bad shot selection to play the point successfully. Here you have a legitimate 20/10 guy as a 4 in the East, and IMO would probably put Cleveland into contention for homecourt in the 04/05 playoffs.

Whether that's worth paying 'Tawn is a different matter, but I can see the immediate dividends it would provide.

 

you cant make this trade. silas said it at the end of the year, the cavs are looking for one thing this summer, and that is depth. you trade 3 solid bench players for 1 decent player is just not worth it. i know that diop and wagner have not lived up to their billing and i know that we cant just sit and wait for them to but they do have the potential. other teams wouldnt be after them if they didnt. they should trim their roster to the guys they need. add more depth in the draft and look for another big scorer and outside shooter in free agency. trading away your depth and small contracts to fill another teams same needs is silly


imo

 

Battie is worth way to much for us right now. The man is a legitamate back up and protects that hoop like it's his life. Unless the Cavaliers have enough cap space to sign 2 more big men to replace Diop and Battie I have no problem with the trade. Jamison can play 3 and 4 switching with Boozer in the lineup. But we wouldn't carry that backup defensive presents in the middle any more. But I think those three are way too much to give up for A-Jam.

 

^ Fair enough Infante. Is there anything that the Mavs could do to make it worth the Cavs' while, as in draft picks, someone like Best or Delk etc? I must say that, when making that earlier post, I was completely oblivious to the fact that Boozer is etched in stone at the 4. Depth is one thing, but I am not convinced that Wags and Diop are going to amount to anything that you couldn't replace through drafting and free agency. I respect Juanny's talents, but I do question where he fits into the league.

That said, you'd know a lot more about these players than I would, and I can understand Battie's importance in having a similar guy who does the dirty work in Vitaly Potapenko, someone I'm sure you know well.

 

I won't be a big fan of this trade from the Cavaliers' point of view. They lose 2 young prospects and one experienced big body who is a luxury to have in the weak East. They get an offensive powerhouse in return, but one whose offensive skills might be lost on a roster that wants to center their offense around Lebron James. I'm also worried that Cleveland loses two centers who are all much-needed in the East. If those 2 are gone, who do they have? Ilgauskas only? That makes their paint much weaker and they'd miss the defense that Diop and Battie provide. Wagner, I wouldn't mind losing, since he's obviously lost hope in his ability to score, which, let's admit it, was his only attractive skill.

The Cavaliers would be ripped off IMO. But I would like it better if they actually move Ilgauskas instead of Battie and Diop.

 

If they really have faith in Diop, then they could move Ilgauskas. I say this beacuse yes, he is the 3rd or 2nd option on that team right now, but what they recieve in Jamison would more than fill in that position. The only thing is, in the east he gives them great rebounding to side with Boozer. I haven't really gotten to see Diop play at all, but if he can develop and split time with Battie, i could see that working. I'm just not really sure about any trade like this. IMO, it just doesn't work out for the cavs at this point in time.

 

You should definitely not trade away Dajuan Wagner, he has immense talent and is transfering to Point Gaurd this summer which will be usefull for the cavaliers since all they got at PG is Deff Jeff and Ollie who has a oprah star sized contract. Diop has steadiily improved every year and is never given enough time to play or else he would be atleast a 10ppg 10rpg and 2bpg guy if he played 30-35 min a game.

 

Diop will never average 10ppg even if his life was on the line. He has no offensive abilities and to tell you the truth, if they trade him away he won't be missed.

 

I think this helps both teams. Lebron will need another offensive player to help him, Illgauskas is not that reliable, and the energy that Boozer and Mcginnis brings will be unreal.

PG: Mcginnis
SG: James
SF: Jamison
PF: Boozer
C: Illgauskas

It will also be great for Us.

PG: Daniels(if Nash isnt with us)
SG: Wagner
SF: Finley
PF: Nowitzki
C: Diop

 

Yeah Dallas can really use Diop. Forcing Dirk to play center this season has caused alot of defensive problems. Desegana would better fit and will protect the hoop better than Bradly can. But I still think that Dallas wants too much for Jamison. Dallas needs to cough up another player or a draft pick if they want Diop, Battie AND Wagner.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting samoan-maverick:</div><div class="quote_post">I think this helps both teams. Lebron will need another offensive player to help him, Illgauskas is not that reliable, and the energy that Boozer and Mcginnis brings will be unreal.

PG: Mcginnis
SG: James
SF: Jamison
PF: Boozer
C: Illgauskas

It will also be great for Us.

PG: Daniels(if Nash isnt with us)
SG: Wagner
SF: Finley
PF: Nowitzki
C: Diop</div>
Daniels isn't a PG, he looks more to score than create for his teamamtes, not to say he can't pass but that's not his position. If Wagner could improve his PG skills and ability to run the point it would help a lot.
Also since when was Diop capable of being a full time starter at center on an NBA team, he would go to Dallas but he wouldn't start.
<u>Dallas</u>
PG: Wagner (If Improved, if not they won't really have a PG)
SG-SFaniels
SF-SG:Finley
PF: Dirk
C: FA signee or Battie

6th Man: Josh Howard

 

i thought dallas wanted to keep jam and get rid of walker. anyway, tony,diop and wags is what that team needs around lebron. they are nice players and don't have ego's where they would give the ball to bron first, themselves second. im not saying jam has an ego, but he will need his fair share of touches to help the team and those touches would be coming away from lebrons touches. cavs should just get solid role players, not just a known player. they got rid of ricky for many reasons and one was so it was fully lebrons teams, i just dont think bringing in jam would improve them when they lose depth. they just need to add, not subtract and add, just add. plus, dallas shouldn't worry about shopping jam around, they need to pay 100% of their attention on nash, b/c w/o him they will decline.

 

Of course, If Daniels wanted too, he'd have the ball in his hands 24/7, but Donnie is going to put him as point cuz he has seen Daniels play at the point, a lot more than Wagner.

If Jamison isnt enough, add Delk or Best, and Cleveland still might do it w/o them since, Wagner gets close to NO PT whatsoever.

 

If the Cavs signed swift, and drafted Biedrins (or whatever his name is) this would be a good deal for the Cavs. If we give up Battie and Diop, we need those front court spots replaced. Swift and that Euro would do that.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting throwback:</div><div class="quote_post">i thought dallas wanted to keep jam and get rid of walker. </div>

Jamison is much better trade bait, especially after accepting his sixth man role and excelling in it, he has shown he can do just about anything, whether he is comin off of the bench or being a teams go-to guy. Walker hasnt accomplished anything, and he is a ball hog.

 

iknow jam is absolutly more attractive to other teams, but i think dallas should try and shop walker first and see what you get for him, then shop jamison and see what you get for him. if they shop jamison first, then nobody will make a good offer for walker b/c jamison is the better of the two. bottom line, as good as jamison is, i dont think he is worth three players just because of the addition of the 6th man of the yr award. he is a very nice player, but not his stock isn't that high..yet. eventually he will need to get out of dallas unless they make him a starter. he isn't supposed to be coming off the bench, he is too talented. he reminds me of richard jefferson. rj came into the league and came off the bench for van horn. the nets saw his potential and traded kvh so rj can have the starting spot. i expect dallas to do something like that unless they are totally in-love with walker.

of course contracts always come into play when talking about trades and i dont know the contracts of everybody, so this could happen, i just dont think coach s would agree with the trade