<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not blaming anyone. I thought that everyone tried to help their team win. </div>I would hope so. I don't see anyone on anytime trying to lose games for their teams. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know why you have to blame anyone for losing. </div>Becuase that is how sports work. They have been one of the best teams in the league for a few years now and probably should have won atleast one title. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They tried their best and lost. You don't have to blame anyone. </div>That is a middle school excuse. The Kings simply didn't get the job done whether they tried their hardest or not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The better team won and thats why they lost. So it's nobody's fault. </div>That is your opinion. Nobody's fault?lol <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know that people shouldn't blame Webber because he tried his best to help when he was injured.</div>He was obviously healthy enough to have a dominating game against the league MVP in one game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Everybody tried. It just that Peja can't do anything more than shoot. </div>And that is why he is being criticized. He is a one demensional player and must work to become better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you stop him from doing that, he can't do much more. That's his problem but you can't blame him for that. It's just the way he plays.</div>Yes you can blame him for that. Becoming more than a shooter takes work and practice, you aren't just born with that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Becuase that is how sports work. They have been one of the best teams in the league for a few years now and probably should have won atleast one title. </div> They have been one of the best teams and everything but you can't expect them to win because they are the best. The Lakers are expected to win this year's championship but it doesn't mean that they will. Every team has it's problems. The Kings' problem is that they fail to win in the playoffs. When they win there's no problem but when you lose, you have to blame someone. I just don't agree with that. It was the same thing with KG. The fans criticized him for always losing in the first round. But was it necessarily his fault? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That is your opinion. Nobody's fault?lol</div> I'm not saying it's nobody's fault. Everybody has to take responsability for a loss. I'm just saying you can't just blame it on one player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was obviously healthy enough to have a dominating game against the league MVP in one game.</div> He wasn't healthy at all. So what he played better in one game. He didn't need to be double teamed everytime he got the ball. Thats not a excuse for KG who should want that because, he is the MVP. Webber got hurt numerous times after that. He isn't the player that he use to be. He doesn't have any strengh left in his legs to be as dominant as he use to be. You can't blame him for having a career changing injury. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And that is why he is being criticized. He is a one demensional player and must work to become better.</div> I know he has to improve in alot of areas but he can't suddenly be a all-around player. He has to be criticized for playing so poorly when his team needed him. I don't consider him a MVP caliber player. I'm not defending him but you can't blame him when the Kings lose. It is a team game. Everybody was a part of the game. You could blame KG for having such a great game against them and beat them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes you can blame him for that. Becoming more than a shooter takes work and practice, you aren't just born with that.</div> You can blame him for anything you want. He doesn't know much more than shooting. He was taught to shoot and thats what he does. Becoming a great shooter also takes alot of work and practice. I agree that he has to become more than a one-dimensionnal player. I'm not defending the Kings. I'm happy that they lost. I don't like the team at all. I don't consider Peja a MVP caliber player. He isn't such a great player in my opinion and is highly overrated. I'm just saying it's a team effort and not a one man team. He can't be blamed for everything. The Kings aren't going to be winning anything for a period anyways. They are getting older and older. Other teams are going to get better and better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post">They have been one of the best teams and everything but you can't expect them to win because they are the best. The Lakers are expected to win this year's championship but it doesn't mean that they will. Every team has it's problems. The Kings' problem is that they fail to win in the playoffs. When they win there's no problem but when you lose, you have to blame someone. I just don't agree with that. It was the same thing with KG. The fans criticized him for always losing in the first round. But was it necessarily his fault? </div>But aren't the best teams suppose to win? If you don't win than the blame must lie one somebody/s. Of coarse you can't blame Garnett for the years past, it is a totally different situation. I can't believe you are comparing the old Wolves to a much talented and deeper Kings team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not saying it's nobody's fault. Everybody has to take responsability for a loss. I'm just saying you can't just blame it on one player. </div>I'm not saying to blame it on ONE player. You are the one that said nobody should be blamed. That is nonsense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He wasn't healthy at all. So what he played better in one game. He didn't need to be double teamed everytime he got the ball. Thats not a excuse for KG who should want that because, he is the MVP. Webber got hurt numerous times after that. He isn't the player that he use to be. He doesn't have any strengh left in his legs to be as dominant as he use to be. You can't blame him for having a career changing injury. </div>I agree with you that he was injured and that is why I am not placing the blame on him. I actually thought he played well despite the circumstances. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I know he has to improve in alot of areas but he can't suddenly be a all-around player. He has to be criticized for playing so poorly when his team needed him. I don't consider him a MVP caliber player. I'm not defending him but you can't blame him when the Kings lose. It is a team game. Everybody was a part of the game. You could blame KG for having such a great game against them and beat them.</div>Can't suddenly improve? He isn't a rookie brah. He has been in this league for a few years and has always been a one demensional player. You may not consider him an MVP calibur player but he did get some votes. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You can blame him for anything you want. He doesn't know much more than shooting. He was taught to shoot and thats what he does. Becoming a great shooter also takes alot of work and practice. I agree that he has to become more than a one-dimensionnal player. </div>Yes he has become a great shooter but he has been a great shooter for a few years. When do you think he should add another demension to his game? You give him way too much credit. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not defending the Kings. I'm happy that they lost. I don't like the team at all. I don't consider Peja a MVP caliber player. He isn't such a great player in my opinion and is highly overrated. I'm just saying it's a team effort and not a one man team. He can't be blamed for everything. The Kings aren't going to be winning anything for a period anyways. They are getting older and older. Other teams are going to get better and better.</div>No one is putting all the blame on him, that is why I started this thread! You dont seem to understand that. I don't believe he has got enough blame for his lack of production in the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">But aren't the best teams suppose to win? If you don't win than the blame must lie one somebody/s. Of coarse you can't blame Garnett for the years past, it is a totally different situation. I can't believe you are comparing the old Wolves to a much talented and deeper Kings team.</div> I agree that the best team are suppose to win but it isn't always going to be that way. If the best team who is suppose to win always does, it would make sports less exciting. I'm not comparing KG's situation with the King's. I'm just saying why do people always have to blame someone for a loss. The media and fans always blames someone for a loss but it doesn't help. Criticizing players might help them want to play better but it can sometimes hurt them mentaly. Blame doesn't help the situation get any better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying to blame it on ONE player. You are the one that said nobody should be blamed. That is nonsense.</div> Sorry about that. I wasn't thinking straight when I wrote that. I agree with what you said. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can't suddenly improve? He isn't a rookie brah. He has been in this league for a few years and has always been a one demensional player. You may not consider him an MVP calibur player but he did get some votes. </div> He has been in the league for a few years and I agree that he has always been a one dimensional player but it has only been now that he is being criticized for being that. He has always been that way and everybody was fine with that until now. I know he has to improve vastly in other areas of his game but he didn't feel the need to until in this playoffs. Every team exploited his weakness. He might have gotten some votes but I still don't consider him a MVP caliber player. Voters can sometimes be blind. I remember a voter voted for Jermaine O'neal even if she knew KG deserves to be the MVP because Jermaine was nicer to her. Voters can sometimes do stupid things. Peja is very overrated. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes he has become a great shooter but he has been a great shooter for a few years. When do you think he should add another demension to his game? You give him way too much credit.</div> I do agree that I give him a bit too much credit but he is truly a great shooter. I think Peja will start to work on his game and add more things to it after this experience but he should have done it a long time ago. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No one is putting all the blame on him, that is why I started this thread! You dont seem to understand that. I don't believe he has got enough blame for his lack of production in the playoffs.</div> I do understand that you think he hasn't enough blame for his performance in the playoffs. He should be blame for a part of the loss but I just believe everybody should have equal blame for losing. Peja was expected to produce but just couldn't. I know he should be blamed for that and I agree that he hasn't been blame enough. I agree on what you are saying. Peja has to be blamed for the lack of production. I'm just saying blaming players isn't the answer for the problem.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that the best team are suppose to win but it isn't always going to be that way. If the best team who is suppose to win always does, it would make sports less exciting. I'm not comparing KG's situation with the King's. I'm just saying why do people always have to blame someone for a loss. The media and fans always blames someone for a loss but it doesn't help. Criticizing players might help them want to play better but it can sometimes hurt them mentaly. Blame doesn't help the situation get any better.</div>Of coarse the best team doesn't win but why is that? Because somebody didn't do their job. And you did compare the Kings to the Wolves because you asked why KG should be blamed in the years past but he shouldn't because it was a total different situation. Criticizing players might hurt them mentally? We are not in the 3rd grade buddy. These guys are grown men making millions of dollars to play a freaking GAME and your worried about hurting them mentally? :thumbsdow <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He has been in the league for a few years and I agree that he has always been a one dimensional player but it has only been now that he is being criticized for being that. He has always been that way and everybody was fine with that until now. I know he has to improve vastly in other areas of his game but he didn't feel the need to until in this playoffs. Every team exploited his weakness. He might have gotten some votes but I still don't consider him a MVP caliber player. Voters can sometimes be blind. I remember a voter voted for Jermaine O'neal even if she knew KG deserves to be the MVP because Jermaine was nicer to her. Voters can sometimes do stupid things. Peja is very overrated.</div>So now you're saying he should work on other parts of his game because people are blaming/criticizing him? I thought that no one should be blamed because it only "hurts" them mentally? He knew he was a one demensional player and has done little to fix that. He is the only one to blame and no one else for that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I do agree that I give him a bit too much credit but he is truly a great shooter. I think Peja will start to work on his game and add more things to it after this experience but he should have done it a long time ago. </div>I agree with you here and this has been my point all along. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I do understand that you think he hasn't enough blame for his performance in the playoffs. He should be blame for a part of the loss but I just believe everybody should have equal blame for losing. Peja was expected to produce but just couldn't. I know he should be blamed for that and I agree that he hasn't been blame enough.</div>They all should get equal blame? So you think Brad Miller should get equal blame with Peja? That makes no sense. Miller played a great series coming off the bench. Peja was their regular season MVP and was no where to be found in the playoffs, again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I agree on what you are saying. Peja has to be blamed for the lack of production. I'm just saying blaming players isn't the answer for the problem.</div>Of coarse it might not be the answer but isn't that what fans are supposed to do? Are we supposed to just kiss their asses? These guys are millionares and we are critiquing their games. You think they give a crap about what we think?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Of coarse the best team doesn't win but why is that? Because somebody didn't do their job. And you did compare the Kings to the Wolves because you asked why KG should be blamed in the years past but he shouldn't because it was a total different situation. Criticizing players might hurt them mentally? We are not in the 3rd grade buddy. These guys are grown men making millions of dollars to play a freaking GAME and your worried about hurting them mentally? :thumbsdow </div> Yes, these guys are making millions of dollars to play a game <font size="1">and I think that is completely wrong when doctors and people who risks there lives to save people get alot less</font>. I'm not worried about them mentally, I'm just worried that they could hurt the team by playing even worst. I just think blame just makes the situation even worst. You say that KG shouldn't be blamed for always losing because it was a different situation but he still got blamed by the fans and media. I know that that was a different situation. My point is sometimes they could be blamed unfairly. I'm just saying you are putting too much blame on Peja. He played poorly because of defense. Thats not a good reason for playing so poorly but Bibby was also defended very well and didn't shoot that well. He did do other things but that isn't the point. Alot of players didn't play so well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So now you're saying he should work on other parts of his game because people are blaming/criticizing him? I thought that no one should be blamed because it only "hurts" them mentally? He knew he was a one demensional player and has done little to fix that. He is the only one to blame and no one else for that.</div> I'm saying he should finaly know that he has to improve in other parts of his game. I agree he knew that he was a one dimensional player who can only shoot and didn't do anything about it but that is his problem. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They all should get equal blame? So you think Brad Miller should get equal blame with Peja? That makes no sense. Miller played a great series coming off the bench. Peja was their regular season MVP and was no where to be found in the playoffs, again.</div> Ok, I was wrong about saying everybody in general should get equal blame. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Of coarse it might not be the answer but isn't that what fans are supposed to do? Are we supposed to just kiss their asses? These guys are millionares and we are critiquing their games. You think they give a crap about what we think?</div> They don't care about what we think but true fans don't whine about what he should have done. He didn't produce like he should. That's the end of the story. What does this accomplish, blaming players everytime they lose? The have already had their hearts broken a couple of times already. They don't need more fans putting blames on players and coaches.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not worried about them mentally, I'm just worried that they could hurt the team by playing even worst. I just think blame just makes the situation even worst. You say that KG shouldn't be blamed for always losing because it was a different situation but he still got blamed by the fans and media. I know that that was a different situation. My point is sometimes they could be blamed unfairly. I'm just saying you are putting too much blame on Peja. He played poorly because of defense. Thats not a good reason for playing so poorly but Bibby was also defended very well and didn't shoot that well. He did do other things but that isn't the point. Alot of players didn't play so well.</div>So what do you think we should do as fans/spectators? Just kiss their asses all day and never critique their game? We are not in the third grade. These guys are profesional athletes and I think they can handle some criticism after being paid millions of dollars to play a freaking GAME! How am I putting too much blame on Peja? All I said is that he is not getting enough. It was all falling on Webber's shoulders when Peja should be getting the most as he was the least productive for a so called MVP candidate. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm saying he should finaly know that he has to improve in other parts of his game. I agree he knew that he was a one dimensional player who can only shoot and didn't do anything about it but that is his problem.</div>Finally know? Why should he finally be figuring this out? He has been stricktly a jump shooter since he came into this league. And of coarse it is his problem, that is why he should get some of the blame. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> They don't care about what we think but true fans don't whine about what he should have done. He didn't produce like he should. That's the end of the story. What does this accomplish, blaming players everytime they lose? The have already had their hearts broken a couple of times already. They don't need more fans putting blames on players and coaches.</div>Again, of coarse they don't want/need to be blamed by the fans but that is why we are here. Please answer my question then, should we just be kissing their asses all the time? I hate fans like that, no offense. These guys are freaking MILLIONARES and you are worried about hurting their feelings. If they are true professionals than they will get past it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">So what do you think we should do as fans/spectators? Just kiss their asses all day and never critique their game? We are not in the third grade. These guys are profesional athletes and I think they can handle some criticism after being paid millions of dollars to play a freaking GAME!</div> I don't think just kissing their asses and never critique their game is the answer. Fans can do whatever they want <font size="1">(except for looking like a idiot and throwing stuff on the floor which the fans did but that isn't the point)</font> but normally fans and spectators are usually suppose to cheer for the team. You can critique their games and how they should improve but like you said they don't care at all about what you think, so does it matter if you do critique or don't? I don't think being profesional athlete means they can handle criticism. My opinion is that fans blaming athletes doesn't help. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How am I putting too much blame on Peja? All I said is that he is not getting enough. It was all falling on Webber's shoulders when Peja should be getting the most as he was the least productive for a so called MVP candidate.</div> I know you think he hasn't been getting enough blame and I agree. I still do not consider Peja the MVP for the Kings. I would consider Bibby to be that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Finally know? Why should he finally be figuring this out? He has been stricktly a jump shooter since he came into this league. And of coarse it is his problem, that is why he should get some of the blame.</div> He should be finally figure out his weakness. That is not being to do much more than shoot. Sometimes players could be slower than others at learning things, <font size="1">I'm not directing this at Peja</font>. I agree that he needs to be blamed for that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Again, of coarse they don't want/need to be blamed by the fans but that is why we are here. Please answer my question then, should we just be kissing their asses all the time? I hate fans like that, no offense. These guys are freaking MILLIONARES and you are worried about hurting their feelings. If they are true professionals than they will get past it.</div> I don't like fans who kisses their asses all the time and I don't think i am one. You shouldn't be like that. Just don't complain all the time. I don't think fans are here for blaming. They are here to cheer for their team and help them win, not to blame. There is a difference between a ass kissing fan and a good fan. I'm not worried about their feelings. True professionnals are still human. Some might be strong but some could be weak. I don't really care how they feel. I just don't want them to affect the game in a negative way. This discussion won't get us anywhere. We have both different opinions and I agree alot on your points. I agree that Peja isn't getting enough blame.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think just kissing their asses and never critique their game is the answer. Fans can do whatever they want <font size="1">(except for looking like a idiot and throwing stuff on the floor which the fans did but that isn't the point)</font> but normally fans and spectators are usually suppose to cheer for the team. You can critique their games and how they should improve but like you said they don't care at all about what you think, so does it matter if you do critique or don't? I don't think being profesional athlete means they can handle criticism. My opinion is that fans blaming athletes doesn't help. </div>Well the Kings aren't my team. But I do the same things will the Warriors. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticism as it is part of the game. Peja deserves some of the blame for yet another collaspe just as much as anyone, if not more. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I know you think he hasn't been getting enough blame and I agree. I still do not consider Peja the MVP for the Kings. I would consider Bibby to be that. </div>Whether you consider him the MVP or not, he was for the Kings. He carried this team with his scoring through out the season when Webber was out. It was no fluke that he got MVP votes, those are hard to come by. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He should be finally figure out his weakness. That is not being to do much more than shoot. Sometimes players could be slower than others at learning things, <font size="1">I'm not directing this at Peja</font>. I agree that he needs to be blamed for that.</div>I thought you said no one should be blamed. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't like fans who kisses their asses all the time and I don't think i am one. You shouldn't be like that. Just don't complain all the time. I don't think fans are here for blaming. They are here to cheer for their team and help them win, not to blame. There is a difference between a ass kissing fan and a good fan. I'm not worried about their feelings. True professionnals are still human. Some might be strong but some could be weak. I don't really care how they feel. I just don't want them to affect the game in a negative way. </div>I agree that fans shouldn't be complaining ALL the time. But the season is over and now we should evaluate the season and I evaluated Peja's playoff performance. What is wrong with that? Affect their game in a negative way? You think Peja is going to come to JBB and read this thread by Rudeezy who isn't even a Kings fan in the first place? I play College basketball and when I have a bad game my coach lets me hear about it in the locker room. Do I go home and start crying? No I strive to fix my weaknesses so that he will have no criticism after the next game. It is a part of basketball whether you think it is damaging or not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> This discussion won't get us anywhere. We have both different opinions and I agree alot on your points. I agree that Peja isn't getting enough blame.</div>You agree with that? Than what the hell are we debating about?!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the Kings aren't my team. But I do the same things will the Warriors. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticism as it is part of the game. Peja deserves some of the blame for yet another collaspe just as much as anyone, if not more.</div> I also don't think there is anything wrong with criticism. I will criticize the players the Wolves but I don't blame. I might sometimes but not alot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Whether you consider him the MVP or not, he was for the Kings. He carried this team with his scoring through out the season when Webber was out. It was no fluke that he got MVP votes, those are hard to come by.</div> In my opinion, he is highly overrated that could be a reason for him getting votes. But like I have said, voters can sometimes be blind. Some voters voted for Lebron, Carmelo, Yao, Andrei, Cassell ( they didn't get vote for 1st place but they still got some votes). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I thought you said no one should be blamed.</div> I did say that so I take that back. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that fans shouldn't be complaining ALL the time. But the season is over and now we should evaluate the season and I evaluated Peja's playoff performance. What is wrong with that?</div> I don't find anything wrong with that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Affect their game in a negative way? You think Peja is going to come to JBB and read this thread by Rudeezy who isn't even a Kings fan in the first place?</div> You never know. There is a chance of him seeing this. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I play College basketball and when I have a bad game my coach lets me hear about it in the locker room. Do I go home and start crying? No I strive to fix my weaknesses so that he will have no criticism after the next game. It is a part of basketball whether you think it is damaging or not.</div> I'm happy for you. I wish I could play for a team. I agree criticism is a part of the game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You agree with that? Than what the hell are we debating about?! </div> I don't know...
His problem is he is easily shut down by good defenders. I think he would show up in the playoffs if he didn't have to face defenders who are good on and off the ball. He's still a great shooter with a hand in his face. He still has a problem tightening up for big shots.
Its obvious........... Hes NOT good enough. Look at him in the playoffs he sucked and couldnt make any shot.
peja does not show his best when it counts like the playoffs.he might me good in the season games but he is not at his best in the playoff.maybe because he is nervous?
Peja deserves more respect. You all are not the ones out on the court with high-pressure situations with millions of dollars being directly deposited into your bank accounts with 5 months off every year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Just-Magic:</div><div class="quote_post"> In my opinion, he is highly overrated that could be a reason for him getting votes. But like I have said, voters can sometimes be blind. Some voters voted for Lebron, Carmelo, Yao, Andrei, Cassell ( they didn't get vote for 1st place but they still got some votes). </div> First off, I'm curious to see what's your definition of an MVP. To me, Lebron, Carmelo, Andrei and so on were MVPs. They carried their team, made their team better, and won games for their teams. So, why shouldnt' they be included as MVPs? Because their stats don't match Tim Duncan's or KG's?
Y u all blaming Stojakovic He is a good player i think alll the blame should go on Webber because when he came back they went 10-12 and they even lost to the nuggets so in my opinion i think that Webber messed them up because when he came back they started loosing before him they used to be tied with Indiana for the best record. Stojakovic will never win MVP because he is just not good engough a defenition of a good player thats an MVP is someone that can do it all and simply put Peja Cant do it all yet.
