<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"> so he's tough because he got busted for gang rape???? fix yourself up FOR REAL!! gang rape is a cowardly crime, commited by a sicko with deep rooted mental issues, and was most likely abused as a child. (i took sociology classes in uni, i know what im talking about). get a clue! just because someone is convicted of a crime, does NOT make them tough. that is easily the most moronic comment i have EVER read on this board. what if he gang raped your sister or mother? how would you feel about it then?</div> alright, just as i suspected sarcasm doesn't translate well in large forums. was i glamorizing his crime or the dude? No, i was just pointing the raptors glaring weakness to identify a solid big man. the raptors are the same organization that brought us alec radiovich (sp.), nate didn't disclose his knee injury HUFFMAN and unfortunately the list is longer than those two scrubs. i merely was pointing out the desperation of the organization when the toronto star feels it newsworthy to report a story that the raptors are searching for a big who happened to do jail time in the Balkans. btw, the distinction between psychology and sociology is huge; sociology examines society specifically relationships at the macro, meso and micro level whereas psychology is preoccupied with the individual. criminality is much more of a focus within the psychology discipline than the sociology which strays away from casting moral assertions. i thought i felt compelled to drop u some knowledge cause u started preaching to me. btw, i'm a sociology major. and buddy u ain't the online moral gestapo, don't tell me whats right and wrong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you guys think its okay to have a convicted gang rapist on our team? what kind of message does that send to the community? </div> Couldn't have said it better, well put. People really don't realize how traumatizing rape is. It's an indescribable feeling which takes a lifetime to forget. For a guy to say 'Sorry' and then play in the NBA is ridiculous. Yes, he made a mistake, but mistakes like that aren't easily forgivable. Theres probably guys who can play basketball but are in JAIL because they've been conviced of lesser crimes. Just because he can play the game of basketball, that doesn't mean he should be on the Raptors making millions. Terrible move for the Raptors, if they sign him. Like hagrid said, the women of Toronto would be upset. It shows the lack of respect for the females who have been raped. And they are making it out to be ok. :thumbsdow
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">commited by a sicko with deep rooted mental issues, and was most likely abused as a child. </div> You posted that. You then posted this: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">sociology examines society specifically relationships at the macro, meso and micro level whereas psychology is preoccupied with the individual. criminality is much more of a focus within the psychology</div> If you were using the abuse as justification for the sociology link, then fine. Sociology can provide a potential societal excuse for him having "deep rooted mental issues" due to abuse, but does not properly address how those issues would manifest themselves in criminality, which you've already indicated is a facet of psychology. Alot of kids are abused as children. Not all of them turn out to be rapists.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">You posted that. You then posted this: If you were using the abuse as justification for the sociology link, then fine. Sociology can provide a potential societal excuse for him having "deep rooted mental issues" due to abuse, but does not properly address how those issues would manifest themselves in criminality, which you've already indicated is a facet of psychology. Alot of kids are abused as children. Not all of them turn out to be rapists.</div> i never posted your first quote, i think that was dj. lets not over-analyze the mentality of a teenage gang rapist, he committed the act in his late teens. i'm sure he's got issues.
Whoops, my bad. I should have read the poster name more carefully. My apologies. Anyway, In general, it's too bad we even have to have this type of conversation about of potential NBA player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoops, my bad. I should have read the poster name more carefully. My apologies. Anyway, In general, it's too bad we even have to have this type of conversation about of potential NBA player.</div> well i thnk most of the labels attached to nba athletes are sensationalized and completely spurious on many occasions. if u where to compare 20 something pro athletes to the general population of 20 something's i think u would find that that athletes have a proclivity not to get themselves in trouble. most high performance athletes are completely detached especially in college. speaking to a friend of jamaal magloire he was telling me that jamaal had no friends outside the team and those were disingenuous relationships because of the ultra competitive environment. so he had no option other than to study, go to class, workout and play ball. consequently, jamaal was academic all american with a very high gpa, forget the exact number. to suggest that athletes are like us is absurd; they live in a world where failure is not tolerated but that doesn?t make them monsters either
Wow, that's certainly a different experience than I had in college. I wasn't a basketball star, but rather left the team because I was an all-american in track and field. (400 IH) Maybe the track environment is different though, as everyone on the "team" mostly did seperate, individual events. Not to mention that with college track, the competition format is mostly invitationals, where it doesn't really matter what Division you're in (Div 1,2 or 3). If you're good, then you get to compete on a level playing field with everyone. Not to mention that as a D-3 athelete, I had no pressure to perform to keep a scholarship. All I had to do was go to class to keep mine. That really sucks for Jamal though. College was a great time for me and I met and know alot of people outside the team. I wish it could have been different for him and truly hope his situation isn't indicative of all big time sports programs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, that's certainly a different experience than I had in college. I wasn't a basketball star, but rather left the team because I was an all-american in track and field. (400 IH) Maybe the track environment is different though, as everyone on the "team" mostly did seperate, individual events. Not to mention that with college track, the competition format is mostly invitationals, where it doesn't really matter what Division you're in (Div 1,2 or 3). If you're good, then you get to compete on a level playing field with everyone. Not to mention that as a D-3 athelete, I had no pressure to perform to keep a scholarship. All I had to do was go to class to keep mine. That really sucks for Jamal though. College was a great time for me and I met and know alot of people outside the team. I wish it could have been different for him and truly hope his situation isn't indicative of all big time sports programs.</div> what school did u attend? i think there is an entire racial/class dimension to not fitting in. remember most schools are predominantly white and middle class, i'm sure there would be feelings of awkwardness for black working class athletes. plus, i'm sure they are so preoccupied with their end goals (going pro.) that they could careless about fitting in.
I went to a pseudo-Ivy league school: St. Lawrence University. While I wasn't a minority because of color, I was one from a socio-economic standpoint: My parents aren't rich, like the vast majority who attend there. I was on scholarship, while most of my friends and people I knew were paying the full $27,500 (with no loans) to go there. I have to admit feeling slightly out of place my frosh year, but I overcame that. Just like with race, when people look beyond the obvious towards what's really important, like a person's character, there's nothing that seperates our basic human desires and needs.
You guys don't see the point, it's not like he was caught shoplifting or stealing a car stereo, the guy is a convicted sex offender that was part of a GANG RAPE. If this happened in America, he would be in prison right now and for a long time to come. All the charitable work, read to achieve, the team working with children, etc. and everything the Raptors have done in the community will go right out the window is they sign this scumbag. The Raptors have everything to lose and very little to gain by signing this idiot. There will be public outcry and the NBA has been working hard to seperate itself from the womanizing badboy stereotypes that go along with most of it's players, so i'm sure the NBA will have something to say about this.
maybe u don't get, the dude served his debt to society (in a eastern european jail cell nonetheless); what more do u want to him to do? besides, athletes shouldn't be role models cause there is a natural disjunction between the admirable qualities that a role model should have and the qualities that an athlete needs to succeed. the nba tried so hard to conjure up a sanitized public image probably cause they feel insecure about selling black urban kids to conservative corporate america. the nba pushes the read to achieve yet many of their athletes are coming out of high school and europe with basic literacy skills. trust me dude the contradictions abound and really glaring if u want to look it. i follow sports particularly basketball cause its a meritocracy, the only profession where merit is absolute. this is a regurgitated arguement of mine but i feel so strongly about. please don?t tell me that playing basketball is a privilege not a right, be original buddy cause i noticed u cited lamar odom has your fav. player and he isn't exactly MR. Do Good. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys don't see the point, it's not like he was caught shoplifting or stealing a car stereo, the guy is a convicted sex offender that was part of a GANG RAPE. If this happened in America, he would be in prison right now and for a long time to come. All the charitable work, read to achieve, the team working with children, etc. and everything the Raptors have done in the community will go right out the window is they sign this scumbag. The Raptors have everything to lose and very little to gain by signing this idiot. There will be public outcry and the NBA has been working hard to seperate itself from the womanizing badboy stereotypes that go along with most of it's players, so i'm sure the NBA will have something to say about this.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">be original buddy cause i noticed u cited lamar odom has your fav. player and he isn't exactly MR. Do Good.</div> He isn't a convicted sex offender that gang raped a women, oh and also: http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18687. The worst thing Lamar Odom did was fail a drug test for marijuana and left the Clippers on a negative note, how the hell can you even compare this with a sadistic scumbag that gang raped a women and is a convicted sex offender? I really don't care if some guy stole a car, did drugs, etc. and got caught and went to prison, but you've got to be one sick son of a bitch to gang rape someone. 2 years in prison certainly is not enough to pay a debt to society and this scumbag shouldn't even be allowed in our country.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">I personally don't see anything wrong with this. You have to be a little hesitant signing him, knowing the fact that he was a rapist. But if the guy could play, why not let him? He's human, and he made a mistake. I would give him shot.</div>yeh i agree i think the Raps should at least give him a chance. because they definately need big man help. who knows he could be there next big thing next to Bosh.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">He isn't a convicted sex offender that gang raped a women, oh and also: http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18687. The worst thing Lamar Odom did was fail a drug test for marijuana and left the Clippers on a negative note, how the hell can you even compare this with a sadistic scumbag that gang raped a women and is a convicted sex offender? I really don't care if some guy stole a car, did drugs, etc. and got caught and went to prison, but you've got to be one sick son of a bitch to gang rape someone. 2 years in prison certainly is not enough to pay a debt to society and this scumbag shouldn't even be allowed in our country.</div> are u the resident moral gestapo in these forums? i guess u think you're with that stupid bush ad, lets keep political endorsements out of the forums, please! i'm not defending the act or the dude for that matter but nevertheless he should be afforded a second chance. plus, i'm sure a balkan state trial wasn't exactly fair. btw, didn't your boy bush have a dui charge? that has to be the most reprehensible crime cause his act of selfishness endangered the lives of everyone and he's the president of the united states now. still can't believe how he bamboozled the election away from the rightful victor and he's got your endorsement. did I mention his lies, ?iraq poses an imminent threat?, ?wmd?s?, ?saddam-bin laden link? and don?t make me mention the economy stupid. u make strange bedfellows accord.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">are u the resident moral gestapo in these forums? i guess u think you're with that stupid bush ad, lets keep political endorsements out of the forums, please! i'm not defending the act or the dude for that matter but nevertheless he should be afforded a second chance. plus, i'm sure a balkan state trial wasn't exactly fair. btw, didn't your boy bush have a dui charge? that has to be the most reprehensible crime cause his act of selfishness endangered the lives of everyone and he's the president of the united states now. still can't believe how he bamboozled the election away from the rightful victor and he's got your endorsement. did I mention his lies, ?iraq poses an imminent threat?, ?wmd?s?, ?saddam-bin laden link? and don?t make me mention the economy stupid. u make strange bedfellows accord.</div> Why shouldnt he be able to endorse Bush? He has his rights? Well this is kind of related to the topic about not serving enough time: The maximum sentence for murder in Sweden is...21 years...that is def. not enough time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">are u the resident moral gestapo in these forums? i guess u think you're with that stupid bush ad, lets keep political endorsements out of the forums, please! i'm not defending the act or the dude for that matter but nevertheless he should be afforded a second chance. plus, i'm sure a balkan state trial wasn't exactly fair. btw, didn't your boy bush have a dui charge? that has to be the most reprehensible crime cause his act of selfishness endangered the lives of everyone and he's the president of the united states now. still can't believe how he bamboozled the election away from the rightful victor and he's got your endorsement. did I mention his lies, ?iraq poses an imminent threat?, ?wmd?s?, ?saddam-bin laden link? and don?t make me mention the economy stupid. u make strange bedfellows accord.</div> Keep your ignorant sentiments to yourself and get back on topic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Why shouldnt he be able to endorse Bush? He has his rights? Well this is kind of related to the topic about not serving enough time: The maximum sentence for murder in Sweden is...21 years...that is def. not enough time.</div> well what u fail to mention is that sweden has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world, unlike the united states which mirrors third world levels. people are so frustrated down in the states. of course he can endorse bush, i was pointing out the contradictions like pointing out that your tough on crime and punishment yet u glorify kobe in your username. anyways punishment has been proven not to be a deterence.
