Now dont be trying to behead me as I am a huge Pierce fan. That being said I am a Celtic fan first. For the sake of the Celtics Pierce must be dealt. It is rather obvious that he is not a number one option. He just didnt look like the same player this year as he had the prior couple. The fire wasnt there and his leadership he showed somehow disappeared. He will always put up numbers but numbers are deceiving. If there is a way to package him for T mac,its a must do. The C's need a guy who can create his own shot. Pierce seems to be more and more reliant on the jumper. They also need a guy who can can freakin rebound. If we can get one of these assets for Pierce,it needs to be done. I dont know what FAs are out there but I know they wont come to Boston. In a perfect world we would make a trade of Blount and Pierce for TMAC and sign Dampier. A team of TMAC,Raef at the 4,Welsch,TMAC,and Atkins would be a better lineup with Davis,Jones,Mihm,and Banks serving off the bench. Any thoughts??
What are you talking about Pierce getting traded? Ainge should be the one who leaves because he ruined it for Pierce. He had an amazing duo with Antoine and Ainge dealt him. I would pick Pierce over T-Mac anyday. He doesn't play as good of a defense as Pierce does. No one wants a guy that has back spasms every season.
We're civil here bro, no one's going to "behead" you for your opinion. IN fact, welcome to the Celtics forum and JBB.com <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It is rather obvious that he is not a number one option</div> I disagree with this premise. He is a number one option and I don't think this past season should be the lipmus test for debating such. Also, if you believe that we're in need of leadership quality, then TMac is not the answer. If you narrow this down to 2 teams with poor supporting casts, then Pierce at least led his team to the playoffs (not a huge distinction in the East this year, granted) despite the turmoil of all the roster and coaching changes. There is one thing that is undisputed when it comes to the Celtics and Paul Pierce: He's loyal and will give every last ounce of his being to help this team win. <font color="DarkRed"><font size="1">Open Invite: Anyone who wants to debate that TMac would do the same for any franchise he's playing for, feel free to step up to the debate. TMac is going to the highest bidder this offseason, as a hired gun. He's showing a certain degree of disloyalty to his franchise right now, after they've struggled</font></font>. While a trade for Pierce isn't out of the question (Dannyboy has clearly indicated everyone has a price to them) the reasoning for diong this particular deal would set the franchise back even further, just as it's starting to move forward. Thanks and look forward to talking with you in the future.
I agree with hagrid here, I don't think Pierce needs to be traded or necessarily should be, bit if he was I wouldn't mind. Maybe some sort of trade with the Clippers wouldn't be bad. But I have to disagree with you about Pierce being a main scoring option, yes he had a bad season, but Pierce is not a second option. Also the dampier Tmac scenario, no way that would happen because the Celtics wouldn't be able to afford Dampier
I actually won't mind seeing Pierce traded. The Celtics are in a slow rebuilding process and the best thing to have while rebuilding is cap space. This is where Pierce being traded can come in. If possible, I would trade Pierce and Ricky Davis for the number 2 pick and Quentin Richardson or Corey Maggette from LA. Then, I'd use the draft add Dwight Howard, Pavel Podkolzine, Sebastian Telfair and Josh Smith if possible. These 4 players could be a firm core of players in the future. With the cap space gained from Pierce and Davis's contracts, I'd then sign a player like Stephen Jackson or Emanuel Ginobili to a 3-5 year deal. The lineup would look like this: C:Podkolzine/Lafrentz PF:Dwight Howard/Humphries/Hunter SF:Welsch/Stephen Jackson or Manu Ginobili SG:Corey Maggette/Josh Smith PG:Chucky Atkins/Telfair Sounds like a strong team to me.
I think Boston can get even more for Pierce than Richardson/Maggette and the #2. I think they should call and aske about working out a MCgrady, Pierce deal. Pierce is in the 2nd tier of superstars in the league, just behind Mcgrady and I think he's gotten a bit numb in boston. He just doesn't seem to play hungry like he used to. A change in scenery could really help him out some. Boston has multiple first round picks and could burn some picks on this deal and if Mcgrady is intent on leaving then this would be one opportunity for them to get a legit superstar, who is still young, in exchange for Mcgrady. It probably won't happen because they are in the same conference and all but It would not hurt to ask..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually won't mind seeing Pierce traded. The Celtics are in a slow rebuilding process and the best thing to have while rebuilding is cap space. This is where Pierce being traded can come in. If possible, I would trade Pierce and Ricky Davis for the number 2 pick and Quentin Richardson or Corey Maggette from LA. Then, I'd use the draft add Dwight Howard, Pavel Podkolzine, Sebastian Telfair and Josh Smith if possible. These 4 players could be a firm core of players in the future. With the cap space gained from Pierce and Davis's contracts, I'd then sign a player like Stephen Jackson or Emanuel Ginobili to a 3-5 year deal. The lineup would look like this: C:Podkolzine/Lafrentz PF:Dwight Howard/Humphries/Hunter SF:Welsch/Stephen Jackson or Manu Ginobili SG:Corey Maggette/Josh Smith PG:Chucky Atkins/Telfair Sounds like a strong team to me.</div> Is there something wrong with you? Maggette and Richardson are babies compared to Pierce and Davis. You don't know what it's like living in Boaton. Pierce will always be a Celtic. No one is gonna want to the Fleet Center if Pierce wasn't there. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BRockwell:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Boston can get even more for Pierce than Richardson/Maggette and the #2. I think they should call and aske about working out a MCgrady, Pierce deal. Pierce is in the 2nd tier of superstars in the league, just behind Mcgrady and I think he's gotten a bit numb in boston. He just doesn't seem to play hungry like he used to. A change in scenery could really help him out some. Boston has multiple first round picks and could burn some picks on this deal and if Mcgrady is intent on leaving then this would be one opportunity for them to get a legit superstar, who is still young, in exchange for Mcgrady. It probably won't happen because they are in the same conference and all but It would not hurt to ask..</div> Get your junk outta here. Why would we want a player that isn't better than Pierce. Sure T-Mac is exciting to watch, but he's not an overall player like Pierce is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Van Exel:</div><div class="quote_post">Is there something wrong with you? Maggette and Richardson are babies compared to Pierce and Davis. You don't know what it's like living in Boaton. Pierce will always be a Celtic. No one is gonna want to the Fleet Center if Pierce wasn't there. Get your junk outta here. Why would we want a player that isn't better than Pierce. Sure T-Mac is exciting to watch, but he's not an overall player like Pierce is.</div> My logic also goes into the bigger picture. In todays NBA guys are followers. They follow the stars. Its a fact that ballers want nothing to do with Boston. I think Mcgrady is a guy who could lure potential free agents a lot better than Pierce can. There is a certain likability and whatnot with Mcgrady. I do like Pierce better but he needs help. Mcgrady I think can be a scorer without help. Unfortunately we have no others to make us better. My thinking is doing what Dallas did with Kidd. They traded for Finley and Nash and I believe a draft pick and turned out better for it. If we could coup a PG or a banger along with a scorer for Pierce,I think long term we would be a better squad. Also look at the Pacers. They traded Rose and netted Brad Miller and Artest. Hopefully Ainge can work some Magic cuz last years edition was painful to watch.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In todays NBA guys are followers. They follow the stars. Its a fact that ballers want nothing to do with Boston. I think Mcgrady is a guy who could lure potential free agents a lot better than Pierce can.</div> Ok, a couple of points in relation to the above: 1. Paul Pierce is a star. 2. Ballers may have reservations about Boston right now, but that doesn't preclude a trade for one. Once we're back on the winning track, all reservations will disappear. IMO, Players are more concerned with winning. 3. I have no faith that TMac is an upgrade over PP. He may be a more consistant, big scorer, without help, but he has also shown that he's not a leader, nor has he shown much loyalty to his respective franchises. He bolted from TO for selfish reasons and now may bolt from Orlando for selfish reasons. Paul Pierce will lay down his life for this franchise (and almost did at the beginning of his career). I'll take that over a few more points per game, ANYTIME.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">He may be a more consistant, big scorer, without help, but he has also shown that he's not a leader, nor has he shown much loyalty to his respective franchises. He bolted from TO for selfish reasons and now may bolt from Orlando for selfish reasons.</div> That there sums up McGrady. What most GM's want from stars is commitment, and T-Mac just doesn't possess that loyalty. That is also mainly the reason why Orlando is actually willing to trade McGrady for even Steve Francis for that commitment.
yeeah i dpnt see t-mac helping the Celts in any way better than Pierce can. I believ Pierce is lovely in Boston. i hear hes trying to motivate Ricky to become a better player. I just dont see T-mac doing that if he was in the same position. Now true Pierce might have lost his fire. but I think all great players go through that process. I believe Pierce will be back once he probally feels he has legetimate help on the floor and as his coach.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I hear he's trying to motivate Ricky to become a better player.</div> <u>Attention Celtic Fans: Pay attention please.</u> Wise, non-celtic fan is imparting wisdom in the above quote. I know we know that this is going on, but it summarizes why we should try to retain Ricky Davis. <font color="DarkRed"><font size="1">I know he's a chip that could look good in a trade scenario. I'll concede that if presented with the right deal, we'd have to move him.</font></font> However, he's also the biggest talent potential on the team. We know he can play. The only questions are whether he can play within a system and if he can play team basketball. a cog in the machine, rather than the machine. In other words, not the #1 option. OK, we know that he can swallow his ego. He came off the bench and was still the #2 scorer on the team. While nothing of our offense really ran efficiently this season for more than 5 minute intervals, he seemed to understand what he was responsible for doing. He ran the break as well as anyone on this team, bar none. He also played some exemplary defense at times. Take for example the game he clamped Tmac down. Right now, He's with the undisputed team leader, working on what he needs to do to make himself better in the offseason. That's what we know. Even with the thoughts that he could be a headcase, he's shown that when put in a situation where he's happy, he'll do whatever it takes for the team. He's happy and I truly think that he's ready to tear some ish up this coming season. <font color="DarkRed">(Isaac Hayes voice)</font> The heavy funk that is Ricky "Pimp Daddy Cornrows" Davis, is about to be unleashed. Stick around my man......and behold the brotha's magnificence <u>Your Honor</u>: In conclusion, the defense submits that Ricky Davis should be in Boston next year.
What are the chances of him getting traded? I'm thinking of getting a Pierce jersey., os I'd like to know.
Whether we like it or not 1) PP is our number 1 option 2) PP is the heart of this team right now. This is the guy that upped his assist and rebounding totals for the good of the team. This is the guy that while being double and tripled teamed put up better than 20 a game (yes, he made some mistakes with the ball ie: turnovers) We have a proven 20+ point a game scorer, that despite all adversity (multiple trades, Idiotic coaching) Stayed within the framework of the team, but probably tried to do too much. That being said, I dont think PP is trade bait ... yet. Our back court is actually pretty stable, even though they have not played together all that long. The only way we give up PP at this point and time is for proven size. I would not totally rule out PP being traded next year, but for the time being he is ours and our most valuable piece.
I discussed Pierce with hagrid, he likes him and know he tries really hard. However he said something that I totally agree with, he tries too hard at times to do too much. Now for my input, we've lost Blount whom I think could've with "a lot" of improvement mind you, become one of our better options alongside Pierce and Ricky D, however Pierce doesn't have what it takes, in terms of what TMac and AI were able to do in the same sort of situation. You need a better GM fast as you've lost quite a lot of decent players so far. One thing I suggest if you're to keep Pierce, get him help in the C department, LaFrentz doesn't cut it.
IMO peirce is all the celts have left without him they would have been down and out after all the stupid moves made by ainges pierce did all he could basically being a one man band wagon in boston. Leading the team in points, assists, and rebounds. It is not his fault he has no supporting cast. They had no true talented point guard to handle that position all year. They got side tracked yet again witht he vin baker situation eventually waiving him and still having to pay him. There off season signing were huge dissappointments for them. And they traded there real locker room influences in battie and williams to the cavs. Peirce is all they have left he is doing his best. He is basically what tmac was beforee this year a one man team that leads his team to the playoff but wont advance do to no supporting cast. If he gets so0me help he will be very affective.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">I discussed Pierce with hagrid, he likes him and know he tries really hard. However he said something that I totally agree with, he tries too hard at times to do too much. Now for my input, we've lost Blount whom I think could've with "a lot" of improvement mind you, become one of our better options alongside Pierce and Ricky D, however Pierce doesn't have what it takes, in terms of what TMac and AI were able to do in the same sort of situation. You need a better GM fast as you've lost quite a lot of decent players so far. One thing I suggest if you're to keep Pierce, get him help in the C department, LaFrentz doesn't cut it.</div> What exactly have T-mac and Iverson done? yes, they scored a lot of points, give PP 30 + shots a game and how many do you think he will score if he is scoring better than 20 with 20 shots? As for Blount, he put together a string of some pretty good games, too bad he is too stupid to realize what caused it (Obie's departure) He still has rocks for hands and has no idea what it means to play the team game. He disappears against better teams and was more worried about padding his own stats to get that big payday, never mind bashing his team in public all the while. I do agree that PP does not have the leadership qualities we are looking for and Toine led with his mouth, not his play, he was probably the worst example for the team. There is nothing wrong with the GM...yet. see my post in the thread "why cant we get GMs like that?"
