I wanted to know what all of the members of JustBBall think about this. Of course, most of the posters will say Kidd because he has had better success with the Nets and got them somewhere when Marbury couldn't do anything with them, but still, I think sometimes Marbury doesn't get enough credit. Marbury has the same level of talent if not better but Kidd just seems to make guys like Kenyon and Jefferson better. But when in the half court, its much more difficult for the Nets because Kidd cant create as much. But Marbury on the other hand will run a pick n' roll or break down the defense then to kick it out to a open shooter or just drive past the defense and lay it up. But Kidd is also really good, so I dont know. Please, no one argue in this either. I mean, dont cuss other people out and stuff, you know what I mean.
i too believe marbury doesn't get enough credit... he's a hell of a player, #2 PG imo, but kidd is something really special... his court vision amazes me... Kidd #1, Marbury #2
Marbury is definetly #1 PG.... He's turned the knick team all around.. He does everything with the team... But its true he doesnt get enough credit i think he should have been in the All-Star Game...
Marbury is a shoot-first point guard, with an inferior court vision and mentality compared to Kidd. He's a good offensive player. That's probably his only bonus, as he doesn't even meet the expectations of other aspects of the point guard. Kidd is a pass-first point guard, with excellent court version and a flaw-free mentality. 98% of the time, he doesn't make mistakes. He has had a bigger impact on his team than Marbury because he turned around the '02 Nets 360 degrees into a championship-contending team.
If you make em play 1 on 1 of course Marbury will win. Kidd is more of a team player than Marbury is. That's why Kidd has had more success.
tho marbury plays the point, i would really consider him a ball-handling sg, while jkidd is without a doubt a point guard so it depends what you're looking for
marbury, IMO, is the better point gaurd becase he produces more points for the team. stephon averages 20 pts 8.9 asts. kidd averages 15 pts 9.2 asts. marbury produces 37.8 pts and kidd produces 33.4 pts. remember asts equal pts just mutiply the number of asts by two and thats the pts they're worth. there you have it. starburys better. end of story.(marburys also shoots lights out from anywhere on the court and kidd's not consistent with jumpers most of the time)
That's what I'm sayin...stats show that Marbury is the better PG but because Kidd has had success with the Nets and Marbury didn't, Marbury is number two to Kidd.
If I had to pick a pg for the next 5 years it would be Kidd over Marbury by quite a bit, Marbury would be 2nd, but the gap between them is still significant in my book. For all his talent and emotion he simply has not figured out how to lead a team. The way it stands right now, a team with Stephon Marbury as its best player will have a very difficult time making beyond round 2 of the playoffs. Marbury needs to either step it up, make all his teammates better, lead on the floor and dominate games from time to time or step back a bit and learn to be Scottie Pippen to someone else's Jordan. He is young enough to move in either direction but for now he is sort of stuck in between, showing up as one or the other each night hurts his team, in my opinion.
Well at least Marbury is healthy right now. Kidd might have to get surgery done on his knee or whatever it was, and sometimes those type of injuries never go away 100 % pain-free, even after successful surgery, if you know what I mean.
You cant really pick between the two. They are both good for certain types of teams. Put Kidd on the Suns with High flying Marion and Amare and Joe Johnson and he would instanly make that team better and do a better job than Marbury would. Put Marbury on a team like the Bucks or the Kings or a team with good job shooters and Marbury would do a better job creating open shots for them. Marbury imo is far more supurior when playing in a half court setting. Take this into account, if you can stop or slow down Kidd's fastbreaks, then you can take away his affectiveness. Marbury in an open court can put the ball in himself but isnt a great passer like J.kidd, but most teams spend more time in a half court offense than running on the fastbreak. Personally I'd rather have Marbury. Kidd is getting older and may even have to have surgury on his knee this offseason, if kidd slows down a little he will really lose alot of his affectiveness because he wont be able to get up court fast enough to make his wonderfull passes. Plus if you take away Kidds High flyers, Jefferson and Martin (who the nets could lose) then Kidd will be forced to try and creaste more in a half court setting which isnt going to work. IM going with Marbury.
What Kidd does doesn't show up on the stat sheet. Not many players can dominate the game without scoring.. Kidd is one of them. When he leads a break, finds the open man, etc.. Not to mention Kidd is one of the, if not THE best defensive point guard in the league.. You can crunch numbers all you want but there is a very good reason why Kidd has had more success (in terms of team wins) than Marbury. And don't forget Marbury once had Garnett on his team.. Basically I see Marbury as a poor man's Iverson. Yes he scores a lot for a point guard--probably more than any other point guard in the league.. But will it result in a W for his team? As for ranking point guards, I'd have to put Parker above Marbury, especially if you're talking about potential as well.
everybody has made the arguement for me. plus it is hard to compare the two because eventhough they both play the point, they are both totally different players. it also depends on what team they play on. im pretty sure that kidd can fit in and succeed on any team now because of his experience and leadership than marbury could because of his lack of experience and lack of leadership. marbury is still young, thats the key. kidd should get more vote than steph b/c he has been on a winning team and has proven himself in multiple playoffs series and steph obviously hasnt. it really isnt fair to compare b/c they are totally differnt in playing style and one is older than the other and one has more talented player around him than the other. steph has years left to try and take himself into the elite pg list.(kidd,tp,payton,bibby,nash,billups,cassell;all have proven themselves more than steph. by proven that means having some success in the playoffs, not just nice regular season numbers)
marbury is better at scorring, kidd is better at everything else. marbury, francis, bdavis, nash...all good points, but none are great. kidd is great....and i dont even like him as a player, but hes just that good.
[quote name='BRockwell']If I had to pick a pg for the next 5 years it would be Kidd over Marbury by quite a bit
I am not a fan of kidd, but he is still the No1 PG in the league right now. Scoring is the only thing Murbury have over kidd.
This isn't even close, KIDD ALL THE WAY... Marbury will always have stats because his style and the way he forces teams to play will produce good looking stats, but he doesn't help teams, he can't play with guys who need the ball to score, and I don't think he's made anyone better in his entire career. I heard once that if your point guard is playing great and your team is horrible, there's something wrong with your point guard, that's been Marbury every year but one, and the years he played with KG. All this talk that he's the number 2 point guard is bogus as well, that belongs to Baron Davis, then it's Mike Bibby, then it's Sam Cassell, maybe Marbury is 5th but I would still take a couple of PG's before him.
They're almost equal, but sometimes JKidd is inconsistent like when he had no points in game 7 against Detroit. Also, Marbury doesn't seem to make the players around him better like JKidd.
Even if you look at the stats you could still bid for Kidd, he also rebounds better, is a better defender, and even get's more steals. It's true that Starbury is good, and I think he gets his credit because he's always considered by many to be the second best PG, but Kidd just has that ability to control a team better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You cant really pick between the two. They are both good for certain types of teams. Put Kidd on the Suns with High flying Marion and Amare and Joe Johnson and he would instanly make that team better and do a better job than Marbury would. Put Marbury on a team like the Bucks or the Kings or a team with good job shooters and Marbury would do a better job creating open shots for them. Marbury imo is far more supurior when playing in a half court setting. Take this into account, if you can stop or slow down Kidd's fastbreaks, then you can take away his affectiveness. Marbury in an open court can put the ball in himself but isnt a great passer like J.kidd, but most teams spend more time in a half court offense than running on the fastbreak. Personally I'd rather have Marbury. Kidd is getting older and may even have to have surgury on his knee this offseason, if kidd slows down a little he will really lose alot of his affectiveness because he wont be able to get up court fast enough to make his wonderfull passes. Plus if you take away Kidds High flyers, Jefferson and Martin (who the nets could lose) then Kidd will be forced to try and creaste more in a half court setting which isnt going to work. IM going with Marbury.</div> The thing is that Kidd has been on teams without the Kenyon's and Jefferson's, and he still suceeds and manages to average 9+ assists a game. For the next five years, no one should choose Kidd, Marbury is a lot younger, and Kidd is not a young man anymore. One more thing is that I think you can make a case that Baron should be the second best PG after Kidd, I'm quite a bit a fan of Marbury's, but Baron is a better all-round player, he can score just as well, can play in the open court or on the break, can shoot, is uo their in passing, and he's a better rebounder, defender, and he's also very good at picking passing lanes.
