I'm just starting this to see what you guys think the Hawks will do next year. I think they may be in trouble if Delonte West leaves, because that will leave them w/o Nelson, West, and defensive specialist Barley. But still now that SJU has gotten some national respect for such a great season I think this will attract some good recruits. Plus Phil Martelli is a great coach and I can't see anyone that wouldn't want to play for him. Well anyway what do you guys think?
If Delonte stays they shouldn't be too bad. All depends on who else they get for recruiting and all that kinda stuff.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shunt:</div><div class="quote_post">what we will find out is what kind of coach that horses-ass really is.</div> How do you figure? Phil Martelli is one of the top 5 coaches in the NCAA's. He brought St. Joe's a little school from Philly to be one of the power houses last year. He may have a tough time next year but he'll still be in the top 3 teams in the A10 not saying the A10 is great.
I don't know I think the'll be garabage, even with good leadership in Phil Martelli. Last year was there year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pgrudo00:</div><div class="quote_post">How do you figure? Phil Martelli is one of the top 5 coaches in the NCAA's. He brought St. Joe's a little school from Philly to be one of the power houses last year. He may have a tough time next year but he'll still be in the top 3 teams in the A10 not saying the A10 is great.</div> That ass as a top fifty coach is even a stretch. You are really stretching this. That's fan bias at it's best. As for Saint Joseph's, forget about them; they're dead. Saint Joseph's does not have a strong recruiting class coming in. All they have is Pat Calathes, a wing from Florida, and Abdulai Jalloh, a point guard from Maryland. Neither of those two players has actually signed a letter of intent yet. It's not like it matters too much though. Neither one is ranked in any of the top 150 or top 200 recruits lists that I've seen. Out of all last year's top twenty-five teams, Saint Joseph's definitely has the worst recruiting class coming in. To put it in perspective, Southwest Missouri State University has a recruiting class that blows Saint Joseph's away. If you look at the top 100 list of 2005 recruits, you'll see that no one is interested in Saint Joesph's and Saint Joesph's has no commitments whatsoever. St. Joe's basketball as we know it is dead for years to come. Their only hope of making the NCAA tournament will be through winning the Atlantic 10 championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">That ass as a top fifty coach is even a stretch. You are really stretching this. That's fan bias at it's best. As for Saint Joseph's, forget about them; they're dead. Saint Joseph's does not have a strong recruiting class coming in. All they have is Pat Calathes, a wing from Florida, and Abdulai Jalloh, a point guard from Maryland. Neither of those two players has actually signed a letter of intent yet. It's not like it matters too much though. Neither one is ranked in any of the top 150 or top 200 recruits lists that I've seen. Out of all last year's top twenty-five teams, Saint Joseph's definitely has the worst recruiting class coming in. To put it in perspective, Southwest Missouri State University has a recruiting class that blows Saint Joseph's away. If you look at the top 100 list of 2005 recruits, you'll see that no one is interested in Saint Joesph's and Saint Joesph's has no commitments whatsoever. St. Joe's basketball as we know it is dead for years to come. Their only hope of making the NCAA tournament will be through winning the Atlantic 10 championship.</div> Wave your gonna tell that SJU didn't have a beautiful season last year? I know they had 2 of the premier players in the nation but still w/o a good coach their nothing. And I realize that SJU probably will not do anything next year or longer than that due to the fact that they are a small school that no one really cares about. The point I'm trying to get across is that St. Joe's big success last year was mostly because of Martelli, 2 losses the whole season? That's not luck.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pgrudo00:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not luck.</div> That's not skill either. He had the best player in college basketball and another first-round caliber guard on his team. Add to that the weak Saint Joseph's schedule and I'd be shocked if they didn't lose only two games. If they played the caliber schedule that Michigan State played, they would have racked up 8-10 losses if not many more. The Hawks had a magical season, and they were very talented. However, that doesn't make Martelli a good coach. Let's see what he can do this season when he doesn't have anything to work with. How are you going to call him better than Tubby Smith, Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Bobby Knight, Coach K, Eddie Sutton, etc.?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not skill either. He had the best player in college basketball and another first-round caliber guard on his team. Add to that the weak Saint Joseph's schedule and I'd be shocked if they didn't lose only two games. If they played the caliber schedule that Michigan State played, they would have racked up 8-10 losses if not many more. The Hawks had a magical season, and they were very talented. However, that doesn't make Martelli a good coach. Let's see what he can do this season when he doesn't have anything to work with. How are you going to call him better than Tubby Smith, Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Bobby Knight, Coach K, Eddie Sutton, etc.?</div> Matter of fact Wave, I cannot understand how this can come out of one's mouth. You just don't go 20-2 with a coach that isn't considered a good coach, even if your in the Ivy or Patriot league and you go 20-2 your considered a good coach. Nuff said. I made a poll and we'll see what people think about this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pgrudo00:</div><div class="quote_post">Matter of fact Wave, I cannot understand how this can come out of one's mouth. You just don't go 20-2 with a coach that isn't considered a good coach, even if your in the Ivy or Patriot league and you go 20-2 your considered a good coach. Nuff said. I made a poll and we'll see what people think about this.</div> I never said he wasn't a good coach. He's a good coach. He's just not one of the top five like you stated earlier.
Well losing West was a killer because they won't make the tourney without him. Pretty much their main scoring option in '05 is going to be Pat Carrol.
Pat Carrol is good but he needs to work on creating his own shot. This team will be a dud this year. With Nelson and West gone their backcourt is drindled.I can see them making the NIT at the most. They wont be the surprise of the year. This team wont be on ESPN everyday day because their undefeated. Martelli is a good coach, but it will be hard for him to lead his team to the Tourney with the 2 best players gone. There post players will have to produce more this year then they did last year if they want to accomplish anything worth talking about.
