<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SportsFiend:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe and Shaq are not the key to a Lakers victory. They didn't beat the TWolves and they didn't beat the Spurs. Fisher and Rush were the keys to their success. The Bullets have a GREAT chance to pull off a huge upset because they will defend against the role players much better than the West did. But you can read my full take here, if you wish: http://www.sportsfiends.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=174 Stephen www.SportsFiends.com</div> I think it is the Pistons, and what the hell are you talking about...it wasnt Kobe and Shaq. Without them two, L.A. doesnt even make the playoffs. Rush and Fisher were huge no doubt, but not bigger than Kobe and Shaq.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DonJuan:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry you are such a crybaby. The NBA did review the last play and it clearly showed that the ball left Fish's hand before the red light came on the backboard. Maybe it the tear's in your eyes blurring your vision. Yes, I'm pretty Stern scripted the whole playoffs. He probably phoned Duncan the night before and told him make two lucky shots at the end of regulation. </div> Ever wonder why the NBA states that all u can do in 0.4 is catch and shoot? It's because its true , u cant do anything but catch and shoot in that time--Fish didnt do that.The clock started late DonPendejo , thats the only reason he got it off before the red light...check it out for urself: Look at the first two , he catches the ball in the air at his waist then lands and brings it up for his shot yet no time went off...compare it to the rest where time goes off even tough all he did was move the ball up a few inches at most--u have to be extremely biased to not realize the clock didnt start at the right time.Besides any smart ref wouldve waived it off knowing all u can do is catch and shoot , but I guess its pretty hard to do that knowing it will affect the team Stern wants in the finals.Like I told Kobe8Ball , Stern had nothing to do with Fisher making the shot but he had everything to do with why it counted.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">^ ARe u ignoring the fact that the Lakers should have had .8 seconds on the clock??</div> Read all the posts man , then talk.Here's the post that wouldve answered ur question if u had read all of them , it was in response to Kobe 8 Ball regarding the same thing: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is getting way off topic , but I have to respond...u are completely misunderstanding what im trying to say.The fact that Fish made the shot had nothing to do with Stern , but the fact that it counted is a different story.U probably wont believe me but I guess I'll still tell u , in a local sports show here in San Antonio they broke the play down as slow as possible and determined it took fish in between .9 and .95 to get it off , however when they themselves tried it live with a stopwatch noone got it correct...so I guess I can understand the human element of them starting the clock late , but the NBA had a chance to break it down just like the guys from the sports show did and they still ruled it good.The least they could've done was atleast apologize. As for ur .8 arguement , like I said it took him over .9 to get it off but since u probably wont believe it I'll have to convince u in a different way...I have told u before and I will tell u again , time runs off in practically every single made shot with under a minute left , it doesnt compare to changing a rule that stated u can only catch and shoot in 0.4 (fish clearly didnt catch and shoot , he also turned)...and even if u were right--and the NBA took the fact that LA shouldve had .8 to begin with into account--then they would be breaking yet another rule to favor the Lakers.All u can review is the last play , the NBA had no business looking at Timmy's shot. As for Game 6 , if the Spurs get Game 5 (like they shouldve) it is very likely that they wouldve taken the series , possibly in Game 6...just look at last yr and at the history of the NBA , when tied 2-2 whoever wins Game 5 comes out on top like 99.9% of the time : The anger is gone tough , I've put this behind me...the Spurs got screwed but there aint nothing thats gonna change that.I guess the Pistons defeating the LA Sterns will have to do... :mrgreen: </div>
Good reasons. Especially the fact that they truly are one of the best defensive teams. Tayshaun has really stepped up as of late. I think Billups also will be the biggest factor along with 'Sheed and Rip. Players like 'Sheed and him thrive on the very demanding, so much on the line situations. The double doubles from 'Sheed plus the scoring have been a Godsend, especially his blocks and defense. Do not forget also that you have a great bench. However, Kobe will no doubt be at his best, when it comes to his game, he is not usually affected mentally anymore. Plus he has his buddy Malone at his side, he's happy for once again. As for the comments on Payton, my Father feels that he'll do great in these Finals. One of those players that'll give it his all and do well. I should agree seeing as during his days, players like Malone, Kemp, 'Zo and himself were people who worked hard only to find themselves losing simply because of the mediocre cast backing them up. I'm hoping that Detroit can, but also not. I want Malone and Payton to get themselves rings and for Kobe to leave on a happy note, having won another championship. Although like many other people, I despise the lazy Shaq, so I don't really care much for him. Detroit's worked too hard and come too far for another opportunity like this to slip away, it's about damn time that a real "team" orientated team gets the championship. Not some superstar ridden franchise.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 9SA21SPURS20:</div><div class="quote_post">Read all the posts man , then talk.Here's the post that wouldve answered ur question if u had read all of them , it was in response to Kobe 8 Ball regarding the same thing:</div> The officials have the right to add time back onto the clock if they feel too much was run off...but obviously they didn't... I'm not saying the league reviewed Duncan's shot. What I'm saying is that you are attempting to justify one bad clock problem (duncan's shot) while arguing against what u feel is another (fisher's shot)...biasness withstanding, that's a total double standard on your part. Regardless, the shot was good. The series is over...better luck next year :thumbsup:
I want to add one more thing before this gets closed for being off topic, or before someone tells us to get back ontopic...Duncans shot shouldnt of counted, he completely traveled with the ball, go back and watch teh tape. Now lets get back on topic...I still dont think Det will mount enough Fire power to beat L.A.
I think if the Pistons can somewhat contain Kobe through out the series they can possibly win this series,like if they can hold Kobe to under 20 ppg in the series than they will probally win,IMO Kobe is the key to the finals. Also I think Detroit can score enough to win the series,Indiana usally always plays good defense thats why the ECF series was so low scoring.But LA has proven that they can be very inconsistant on the defensive end.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I think if the Pistons can somewhat contain Kobe through out the series they can possibly win this series,like if they can hold Kobe to under 20 ppg in the series than they will probally win,IMO Kobe is the key to the finals.</div> I dont see that happening, the Pistons will not keep Kobe to under 20 a game, he can go for 40 on any given night.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I think if the Pistons can somewhat contain Kobe through out the series they can possibly win this series,like if they can hold Kobe to under 20 ppg in the series than they will probally win,IMO Kobe is the key to the finals. Also I think Detroit can score enough to win the series,Indiana usally always plays good defense thats why the ECF series was so low scoring.But LA has proven that they can be very inconsistant on the defensive end.</div> They dont have to hold Kobe under 20ppg imo. They just have to make Kobe take alot of shots to get his points, that will disrupt the effiency of the Laker offense. If you make Kobe over dominate the ball for 48 minutes, then that often means that the ball isnt going into Shaq the way it surpose to. Which means players like Fisher, Rush, even Malone, who need Shaq to get double teamed in the post wont be able to get going
Kobe shot 10-27 wow he scored 25 points!! and cost them the game! Meanwhile...Shaq shot 13-16. Why did Kobe force up 27 shots? Tayshaun prince owned him
Payton and Malone have to step up big time. Kobe didn't play too smart. This is going to be a tough series for the Lakers to win.
Three things why I think the Lakers will beat the Pistons: 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. Someone else contributing Now they got reason 1 and 2 during game 1. They are a contributor away from winning games against the Pistons. Sad but true. But really, I'm hoping that the Pistons win it. Great post iamme.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">The officials have the right to add time back onto the clock if they feel too much was run off...but obviously they didn't... I'm not saying the league reviewed Duncan's shot. What I'm saying is that you are attempting to justify one bad clock problem (duncan's shot) while arguing against what u feel is another (fisher's shot)...biasness withstanding, that's a total double standard on your part. Regardless, the shot was good. The series is over...better luck next year :thumbsup:</div> Excellent point. In other word's he's a crybaby. He can totally ignore the .8 seconds "because the league is not required to review it", yet is hung up on the technicality that, in the end, clearly shows the ball out of Fish's hand before the light came on.
He also conveniently ignores the fact that Duncan traveled on that last shot. But I'm sure that's not something we want to bitch about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">The officials have the right to add time back onto the clock if they feel too much was run off...but obviously they didn't... I'm not saying the league reviewed Duncan's shot. What I'm saying is that you are attempting to justify one bad clock problem (duncan's shot) while arguing against what u feel is another (fisher's shot)...biasness withstanding, that's a total double standard on your part. Regardless, the shot was good. The series is over...better luck next year :thumbsup:</div> Took him over .9--and besides the two sitiations dont even compare son...check the 3 Kobe made last night , the shot went trough the net at 2.5 and the clock didnt stop till 2.1.There is a difference between human element and changing a rule altogether...catch in shoot is all u can do in 0.4 , everyone knows that.So even if it appeared he got it off time it shouldve been waved off knowing he didnt just catch and shoot.I wonder why the NBA didnt realize that , when they're are the ones that made that rule...I wonder if it had something to do with Stern wanting LA in the finals. Pick-up ur dribble and take two steps , since when is that a travel?
He COMPLETELY picked up his pivot foot when his handoff to Ginobili didn't work. How do I take screenshots with Windows Media?
Guys, stick to the topic. This is about the Pistons winning the Lakers and why. You can be with it or against it, just don't get off the topic. Make a new thread if you have too. Anyways, if Bryant would of missed the shot, and the Pistons would have won, the series would pretty be much over. But since it's not, like Kobe said, the both teams seek a challenge. Good luck in Detroit you guys.
interesting...yet true points iamme i agree that the Pistons can beat the LA Lakers...actually the Pistons i believe would be the only team in the Eastern Conference that would have even a remote chance...and even then i believe that the Pistons have a great chance to win People are just so blinded by this Lakers team...for some ungodly reason GO PISTONS!!!
i just laugh when i think about everyone thinking that the Lakers are on a whole different playing level. The Pistons dominated game 1 and were extrememly close to winning game 2. Great Kobe shot aside...this could have been 2-0 heading back to the Palace. Lakers would have been fighting to not get swept. We're heading back for some good ole' homecookin' Bring on the crazy Palace crowd!
