No way Lakers are gonna roll over and die for three straight games after this unbelievable Game2, even if it's in Detroit, which is not as loud as Sacramento. I think the Lakers will take Game 3 and Detroit will take Game 4 to tie the series 2-2. From there, anything can happen.
That was BS. Nice shot by Kobe. But Shaq did not get touched/fouled on the previous play. Pistons should have won by 1 point in regulation. Oh well...better officiating next time (hopefully).
Have any of you guys noticed that following the game almost every player said "you know" four or five times each? I noticed that after the first one or two players but then it started to really annoy me after the first 15 times..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Junior_dunker:</div><div class="quote_post">That was BS. Nice shot by Kobe. But Shaq did not get touched/fouled on the previous play. Pistons should have won by 1 point in regulation. Oh well...better officiating next time (hopefully).</div> Well Shaq was touched by Ben Wallace with the low body but with my unbaised vision(I could care less won won the chip). They clearly called a 1st quarter foul in a clutch situation. No way as a ref are you surpose to call that type of foul in a big situation, that foul was not hard enuff to come close to preventing Shaq from putting the ball back up. The only reason you call that foul is if you want to give a team & extra point imo. Because if your a ref you know the only way you call a foul that can change the out come of a game is if a foul clearly prevents a player from getting to the basket or getting a shot off. That touch foul by Wallace did neither. But Ben Wallace needs to know to competely back off in that situation and dont give the refs a chance to make that foul call. Once Shaq got the position for the offensive rebound, you either hard foul not letting Shaq get the put back or back off & give up the layup to shaq. The Pistons would have been up by two baskets anyway.
The lakers played a great game, but I was really disappointed at how the Pistons handled their lead in the forth. They are the best defensive team yet they still allowed the lakers to walk all over them and dictate the tempo in the last few minutes. The pistons seem to have a problem with controlling themselves in a lot of positions and tend to throw away passes and allow tunrovers in high intesity situations. Then again, I hate Kobe more than anything. Its great in America that you can get pulled over and thrown in jail for the smallest things, but if your a well-known athlete you can rape a girl and still be free. Good for kobe, a rapist and an adultrer, good shot for such a morally corrupt SOB...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Detroit07:</div><div class="quote_post">The lakers played a great game, but I was really disappointed at how the Pistons handled their lead in the forth. They are the best defensive team yet they still allowed the lakers to walk all over them and dictate the tempo in the last few minutes. The pistons seem to have a problem with controlling themselves in a lot of positions and tend to throw away passes and allow tunrovers in high intesity situations. Then again, I hate Kobe more than anything. Its great in America that you can get pulled over and thrown in jail for the smallest things, but if your a well-known athlete you can rape a girl and still be free. Good for kobe, a rapist and an adultrer, good shot for such a morally corrupt SOB...</div> Admit it, you're just being pissed Kobe came through in the clutch again to save the game and perhaps the series for the Lakers. Being a Kobe hater is alright man, but you gotta have class. Until the jury says otherwise, he's no rapist but one of the NBA's all time greatest players... clutch or no clutch.
Wow, what a great game. Kobe draining the trey in the last seconds of regulation. That was an absolutely amazing shot. Then Los Angeles took over in OT, winning the extra period by outscoring them 10-2. Ending the game, including the last 6:30 of regulation, on a 16-2 run. It was great. Enjoyed it extremely. Oh, btw, my brother was sitting and watching the game also. To show his basketball intelligence, he said, just before Kobe drained the three, that he would give it to DFish cause Kobe can't make a three in the 4th. Than Kobe went to show why he is the best clutch player in the game today and I gave my brother an earful.
I really have to say even though I am a huge Pistons fan I think that they played thier A game during the 4th and OT. I still hope that the Pistons will win in 5 still though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Detroit07:</div><div class="quote_post">The lakers played a great game, but I was really disappointed at how the Pistons handled their lead in the forth. They are the best defensive team yet they still allowed the lakers to walk all over them and dictate the tempo in the last few minutes. The pistons seem to have a problem with controlling themselves in a lot of positions and tend to throw away passes and allow tunrovers in high intesity situations. Then again, I hate Kobe more than anything. Its great in America that you can get pulled over and thrown in jail for the smallest things, but if your a well-known athlete you can rape a girl and still be free. Good for kobe, a rapist and an adultrer, good shot for such a morally corrupt SOB...</div> He's still innocent until proven guilty and it's looking more and more like he's not guilty of rape. But since you have a hatred for Kobe, and I'm going to guess you must hate Rasheed Wallace. He's had history of breaking the law as well, and he's still a free man. I do agree with your points. The Pistons looked like deers in headlights after the game went into OT. Billups was the only player with his head in the game not afraid to take shots. Tayshaun Prince broke down mentally and Kobe had his way with him taking him to the hole on 3 straight possessions. The Pistons have nothing to be disappointed about though. They came to do what they intended to, and each of these experiences makes it that much harder to beat them. They will be headed back to a hungry crowd in Detroit, and it's going to give them a lift if they find themselves in a tough spot. Game 3 is going to be huge for both teams. The Pistons need to get momentum back, and the Lakers are looking to put doubt into the Pistons.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Shaq was touched by Ben Wallace with the low body but with my unbaised vision(I could care less won won the chip). They clearly called a 1st quarter foul in a clutch situation. No way as a ref are you surpose to call that type of foul in a big situation, that foul was not hard enuff to come close to preventing Shaq from putting the ball back up. The only reason you call that foul is if you want to give a team & extra point imo. Because if your a ref you know the only way you call a foul that can change the out come of a game is if a foul clearly prevents a player from getting to the basket or getting a shot off. That touch foul by Wallace did neither. But Ben Wallace needs to know to competely back off in that situation and dont give the refs a chance to make that foul call. Once Shaq got the position for the offensive rebound, you either hard foul not letting Shaq get the put back or back off & give up the layup to shaq. The Pistons would have been up by two baskets anyway.</div> Well with Shaq shooting the free throw the odds are in Detroit's favor. It was a controversial call, but the Pistons benefitted from a lot of missed calls as well. The one standing out in my mind was the obvious travel by Sheed when he made his move and then Ben Wallace flushed the ball with a dunk. After Malone fell down, Sheed switched his pivot foot not once, but twice, and without anyone around him it was an obvious travel. The bottomline is the Lakers are lucky to have tied the series and get back some momentum. They looked defeated heading into the 4th quarter and PJax could not make the adjustments to Larry Brown's game plan. PJax has been out coached in this series on both ends of the court. Fortunately for the Lakers they have Kobe to make amazing plays for them. The Lakers need to find a way to stop that damn curl play the Pistons run over and over and over and over again. Former Piston coach Chuck Daly used to do the same thing. Run the same play over and over until the team finally stopped it, and then he'd move on to the next mismatch and run the same play to death. It has to be demoralizing to a defense, they know what play is coming and they can't stop it.
This is clearly Larry Brown's fault. I mean, you're up by 3, they inbound the ball to Shaq and you don't foul???? OMG, what a bonehead move :thumbsdow
I missed this game because of a doctor appointment. But I'm kinda glad I missed this one. It took the Lakers to beat them in overtime. I would've have had a heart attack watching this game. But wheww, that was close.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">PJax has been out coached in this series on both ends of the court. Fortunately for the Lakers they have Kobe to make amazing plays for them. </div> Yeah I agree with you, when it comes to X and Os, Larry Brown is the best coach there is. Not to take anything from Larry but if we look at other aspects such as in terms of making his players relax and poised in crucifying moments like this, Phil is better than Larry. Check his expression and body language, he's Mr. Cool, doesn't flinch or uncross his legs when it seems there is no hope. And that's what a great leader should do, not just the theory tactics but the leader must set an example how they must not panic and lose focus in such situations. And yeah Kobe is a great player it's amazing how one soldier can totally mess the opposing general's plan like he did.
Kobe is the best player in the NBA, I have been saying it all year. He makes clutch shots whenever you need them, he can take over a game whenever he wants, he is an unbelievable force in this league. That shot was amazing, when he released it, I think he knew it was in...that was one for the ages... As for LUKE ! What a game man, he stepped up and played with heart, I knew the kid could pass, but not like that. Fisher was a little wild though, he drove the lane too many times when their were 5 Pistons defending, and only 2 Lakers on the offensive end. I think we can steal possibly 2 games up in Detroit, it is very possible. We have all the momentum going in and Detroit is in shock..L.A. has their swagger back and they will win it in 6 like I have been saying all along.
I've got two points of emphasis.... 1 - The shot made by Kobe was cool (I've seen KG do the same with two defenders), but the loss lands on the Pistons as a team because there are some facts that any....ANY player knows when coming down the stretch when leading by 3. If the offensive team is stupid enough to put the ball in the worst free-throw shooters hands with the clock running down, you foul him and make him earn it. Shaq had the ball and they let him pass it away. I would've even fouled Kobe as soon as he received the ball (remember he just missed a free throw earlier). 2 - I think the Lakers got the win, but didn't receive momentum because the Pistons had the win and gave it away (similar to the Kings and Wolves game 2). The Pistons are better defensively and should take the series, maybe in 6. Sheed was putting work on Malone which will lead to double-teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sabretooth:</div><div class="quote_post">I've got two points of emphasis.... 1 - The shot made by Kobe was cool (I've seen KG do the same with two defenders), but the loss lands on the Pistons as a team because there are some facts that any....ANY player knows when coming down the stretch when leading by 3. If the offensive team is stupid enough to put the ball in the worst free-throw shooters hands with the clock running down, you foul him and make him earn it. Shaq had the ball and they let him pass it away. I would've even fouled Kobe as soon as he received the ball (remember he just missed a free throw earlier). 2 - I think the Lakers got the win, but didn't receive momentum because the Pistons had the win and gave it away (similar to the Kings and Wolves game 2). The Pistons are better defensively and should take the series, maybe in 6. Sheed was putting work on Malone which will lead to double-teams.</div> Whenever you lose a game like that ion your grasps, you lose momentum...the Pistons had it one..up 6 with 45 seconds left...they let SHAQ GET A 3 POINT PLAY, and they failed to foul him when he had the ball on the inbounds play, they failed to put 2 men on Kobe, and he made them pay...that will def. deflate a teams momentum, and give the momentum to the other team.
Do people ever think that they didn't fould Shaq because Brown doesn't believe in it? Because, I noted in game 1 that, after the first half, Shaq didn't shot a single free throw. Plus, there was always the thought that, if you foul him, he's going to attempt to put up a shot and try to get the 3 point play. I think that's what they were thinking. Because, you don't want to get beat at the line. Because, when someones at the line, you have no way to contest that shot, you just hope they miss. I think that allowing that shot was better than fouling Shaq cause it is probably less likely Kobe, who was shooting triples absolutely horrendously in the 4th, that he would make that shot with Rip draped all over him. I think that was their thought process there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">[/b] Whenever you lose a game like that ion your grasps, you lose momentum...the Pistons had it one..up 6 with 45 seconds left...they let SHAQ GET A 3 POINT PLAY, and they failed to foul him when he had the ball on the inbounds play, they failed to put 2 men on Kobe, and he made them pay...that will def. deflate a teams momentum, and give the momentum to the other team.</div> Rip said after the game the Pistons' plan was never to foul anybody in situations like that. Larry Brown also said it. I am amazed with that plan though. If I were to coach the Pistons, I would definitely tell my players to foul... that proved costly, who else would receive the ball when the game in on the line like that? (Well except if the clock reads "0.4" :mrgreen: ) The answer is of course Kobe and what is he capable of doing? Going Chris Webber at Michigan and call a timeout when there's none? Let's rewind to Portland, Detroit, and see what Kobe's capable of doing. Draining threes to grab the division title for the Lakers and make a certain Kobe Stopper ask for his shoes like a 12 year old fan... that's what Kobe's capable of doing. Did the Pistons forget? If they thought simply putting a Rip skeleton on Kobe without clawing or elbowing him would make him brick The Shot, they are in for big trouble. They're in trouble for underestimating the Lakers. For all the talk that LA underestimates Detroit, it's actually the Pistons who's been underestimating the Lakers' O with their "impenetratable" D all series. After that last play in the regulation and the result of Game 2, if Larry Brown still wants his status as the greatest XOer, he needs to win this series. If the Pistons lose, will Joe D fire Brown and look for a coach that can take them to the next level? Oh well, the Lakers won the game though so can't complain.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sabretooth:</div><div class="quote_post">If the offensive team is stupid enough to put the ball in the worst free-throw shooters hands with the clock running down, you foul him and make him earn it. Shaq had the ball and they let him pass it away.</div>Exactly my point :thumbsup:
