<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post"> How about the Knicks?</div> Ahem- I HOPE NOT!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Ahem- I HOPE NOT!!! </div> The Knicks need all the help they can get
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">Any opinions about my trade??</div> The trade would help out the Magic immensely, but you have to look at the other side - this trade does not help out the Raps at all (most of those guys are on the downside of their careers). I don't see it happening. Juwan (the main player in your trade) plays Bosh's position and will stunt his development. Garrity will struggle without a star on the team to get him his open shots.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks need all the help they can get </div> We need Player's help. Not showmen's :mrgreen:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">We need Player's help. Not showmen's :mrgreen:</div> you need to watch Vince play more often then, how often do you see him dunk or make the flashy play anymore? That may have been true in the past, but his knee injuries doesn't let him do everything that he could before. He knows he needs to find other ways to score now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">What's changed? T-Mac grew up..had the chance to be the #1 option..win scoring titles...do everything in a team...now he is growing up and realizing maybe is not that bad to be the 2nd option(even tough I think he would still be the 1st option) , however Vince is a SG/SF .. and the only position besides SG I would say I'm happy with (if Garrity is back healthy) is the SF position..so We'll probably trade Juwan Howard and Keith Bogans(Juwan would have to be included because of his big contract..) and I don't wanna give Bogans up because he might be the next Ron Artest but this lineup would be sick: PG - Free Agent(T-Hud mayb) or Pick or trade/T-Lue/Reece Gaines SG - T-Mac/DeShawn Stevenson SF - Vince Carter/Bogans or Garrity/Hill... PF - Drew Gooden/ZaZa Pachulia or 2nd rounder.. C - Okafor/2nd Rounder and or DeClerq.. Tell me that isn't a killer line-up.. Maybe including Juwan Howard , Garrity , Reece Gaines and the 1st Second rounder..</div> Are you serious? Do you think the Raptors would be stupid enough to trade Vince away for Juwan Howard and Keith Bogans? That trade is just out of this world. How about we just offer Chris Bosh just to screw ourselves even more? BTW Keith Bogans is nowhere near Artest in any way shape or form. There would never be a deal with Orlando unless it involved their #1 draft pick. Carter has not said he would leave so let's just wait to see how he responds.
<font color="black">Personally i love this whole idea of Vince leaving the Raps because I think he's not really cut out to be the main option anymore, especially with how teams defnsivs are getting better at choking star plyers with the Zone an all.</font> <font color="black">I think Vince would fit great on a team where he could be the second or third option. I mean the way vince hops and creates, I believe he could really shine on a team where he'd be in a situation like Kobe on the Lakers. </font> <font color="black">I believe a situation where Vince could create havoc when the opposing teams main defensive focus is on his teams star like Duncan, Garnett, or the Diesal would be the best fit for Vince. </font> <font color="black">Teams i think Vince should consider would be the Spurs (Manu, Rose, Turkoloug and someone from the Raps possibly Alvin Williams), Timberwolves (Spreewell,Wally or both and maybe troy for another guy from the raps that could include Alvin) and lastly maybe even the Lakers if Kobe leaves. </font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">We need Player's help. Not showmen's :mrgreen:</div> Actually with his knee and the media bitching at him, he can't just do a highlight dunk anymore. He knows that and's been getting his all around game up. Remember when he first came out, everybody said he was amazing, then they started hating on him talkin bout he can only dunk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see why Toronto would want to do this, AI is older, get's injured also, and we all know without his speed and quickness he won't be the same player likely next year and in future years, and he doesn't have a shot that can prolong his time in the league, his game is mainly based on physical ability. He's also been rumoured to possibly not be starting next season and if his injury doesn't progress his career could be in danger.</div> Are you serious? Does anyone see this, your saying that "He's also been rumoured to possibly not be starting next season". Are you ok? Did you take your medicine today?
Personally, I think that these are unfounded rumours. It started in the Chicago workout circles and spread from there, just lighthearted conversation maybe? Its the media thats blowing this up. Alot of people in toronto(when he was injured and out for 30+ games) wanted him traded, and some still do, but in reality ,ost of Toronto still like shim. Everyone here knows hes a vital part of the core of MArshall, Rose, Carter and Bosht hat they have right now. I do not see hwy the Raptors would dismantle one of their core. Not to mention, he still sells tickets.
All I would be willing to do from NY's point of view is; Vince and Lemond Murry for Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, and Frank Williams or the second round pick. Other than that toronto could keep Vince and his injuries.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pgrudo00:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? Does anyone see this, your saying that "He's also been rumoured to possibly not be starting next season". Are you ok? Did you take your medicine today?</div> Not starting as in being in the starting lineup, but being out because of injury, I'm saying he might not be starting the season due to being injured <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Knicks Analyst":</div><div class="quote_post">Trading Vince would be a great think for Toronto, they should build around Bosh and marshall. Vince is not really a ballplayer, just a showman. Thats the way I see it.</div> What, build around Donyell Marshall? What kinda of idea is that, first Marshall isn't even a franchise caliber player, he's 31, he plays the same positions as Bosh (PF), and we all know he can't create well for himself, most of his point come from passes given to him by Carter or Rose. Vince just a showman? I dunno about that, didn't show me too much this season as in dunks etc. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "TMac_OwNz":</div><div class="quote_post">What's changed? T-Mac grew up..had the chance to be the #1 option..win scoring titles...do everything in a team...now he is growing up and realizing maybe is not that bad to be the 2nd option(even tough I think he would still be the 1st option) , however Vince is a SG/SF .. and the only position besides SG I would say I'm happy with (if Garrity is back healthy) is the SF position..so We'll probably trade Juwan Howard and Keith Bogans(Juwan would have to be included because of his big contract..) and I don't wanna give Bogans up because he might be the next Ron Artest but this lineup would be sick: PG - Free Agent(T-Hud mayb) or Pick or trade/T-Lue/Reece Gaines SG - T-Mac/DeShawn Stevenson SF - Vince Carter/Bogans or Garrity/Hill... PF - Drew Gooden/ZaZa Pachulia or 2nd rounder.. C - Okafor/2nd Rounder and or DeClerq.. Tell me that isn't a killer line-up.. Maybe including Juwan Howard , Garrity , Reece Gaines and the 1st Second rounder..</div> Let me show you how Juwan Howard and Bogans for Carter sounds to us, maybe the Magic should trade Tmac for Kurt Thomas and Frank Williams. Juwan Howard and Bogans won't even land you Corey Maggette, or Joe Johnson, common.
<font color="black">I believe a situation where Vince could create havoc when the opposing teams main defensive focus is on his teams star like Duncan, Garnett, or the Diesal would be the best fit for Vince. </font> I believe any player in the NBA can create havoc playing with those guys.... <font color="black">Teams i think Vince should consider would be the Spurs (Manu, Rose, Turkoloug and someone from the Raps possibly Alvin Williams), Timberwolves (Spreewell,Wally or both and maybe troy for another guy from the raps that could include Alvin) and lastly maybe even the Lakers if Kobe leaves. </font>[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? No way the Raptors make that trade with the spurs..Manu I like, but the other 2 are scrubs... The Raptors would have to trade him for a brand name, to keep fans in the stands. I would love to see Dampier/J-Rich for Vince and Donyell....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Let me show you how Juwan Howard and Bogans for Carter sounds to us, maybe the Magic should trade Tmac for Kurt Thomas and Frank Williams. Juwan Howard and Bogans won't even land you Corey Maggette, or Joe Johnson, common.</div> Ah ok I guess , well how about this one? Juwan Howard , Reece Gaines ,Pat Garrity and #1 pick for Vince Carter and Raptors 1st Round pick? You'll get a kick ass SF in Dwight Howard.. a good back up PG..and a great 15 - 8 back up PFand one of the best 3 point shooters in the league.... We .. I guess we could sign Blount and Keep Gooden and Draft a PG..(with Raptors 1st round pick.) PG - Ben Gordon or Jameer Nelson or Livingston or any PG/T-Lue SG - T-Mac/Stevenson SF - Vince Carter/Keith Bogans PF - Drew Gooden/ZaZa/2nd rounder? C - Mark Blount?/2nd Rounder?/DeClerq? This one makes more sense?
Vince is a mama's boy.. he needs to grow some balls and become a man. If he wants out of Toronto, he needs to say this himself, not get his mama to do it for him. And hell, if he wants out, trade him. We can get some good talent for him. If we could trade Vince Carter for Shawn Marion straight up, id do it.. or for Joe Johnson and some picks, or a youngster, id do that too. DOnt get me wrong, id rather have Vince on this team, but if hes going to play hurt, if hes going to cry about the team, and if he wants to leave because we didnt hire Julius Erving, then he is a bitch, plain and simple. He wont do anything but hold us down untill he changes his attitude. The Raptors gave Julius Erving his interview, they took Vince's opinion into consideration, and Erving wasnt the right guy. The Raptors just brought in 2 Hall of Famers and a GM that helped put together that strong Wolves team this year, it was the right move.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kaillou:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince is a mama's boy.. he needs to grow some balls and become a man. If he wants out of Toronto, he needs to say this himself, not get his mama to do it for him. And hell, if he wants out, trade him. We can get some good talent for him. If we could trade Vince Carter for Shawn Marion straight up, id do it.. or for Joe Johnson and some picks, or a youngster, id do that too. DOnt get me wrong, id rather have Vince on this team, but if hes going to play hurt, if hes going to cry about the team, and if he wants to leave because we didnt hire Julius Erving, then he is a bitch, plain and simple. He wont do anything but hold us down untill he changes his attitude. The Raptors gave Julius Erving his interview, they took Vince's opinion into consideration, and Erving wasnt the right guy. The Raptors just brought in 2 Hall of Famers and a GM that helped put together that strong Wolves team this year, it was the right move.</div> I think that you're jumping to conclusions. Vince, himself has never said that he wanted to be traded, all he has said (through his mom) is that he didn't agree with their choice of GM. Until he comes out himself and says that he wants to be traded, it's all just speculation.
