<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that you're jumping to conclusions. Vince, himself has never said that he wanted to be traded, all he has said (through his mom) is that he didn't agree with their choice of GM. Until he comes out himself and says that he wants to be traded, it's all just speculation.</div> Regardless, Vince has a bad attitude and is somewhat of a baby. He gets way too emotional at the refs, and I think it holds his game down, and holds us down. He wants things done his way, and even if he is our star, he hasnt done anything to warrant power with the front office. He really needs a coach that is going to be tough on him and build some character, because he has serious attitude problems.
The Jazz'll take him, we need a superstar!!!!! Jerry Sloan's a tough coach, too bad we have nobody to trade for him since Kirelinko is off limits. What about Matt Harpring, and Carlos Arroyo or Lopez for Vince?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kaillou:</div><div class="quote_post">Regardless, Vince has a bad attitude and is somewhat of a baby. He gets way too emotional at the refs, and I think it holds his game down, and holds us down. He wants things done his way, and even if he is our star, he hasnt done anything to warrant power with the front office. He really needs a coach that is going to be tough on him and build some character, because he has serious attitude problems.</div> That's what they tried to do when they hired O'Neill last year; a coach known for being a hard-ass. That never panned out at all. At this point I thing the only person that can motivate Vince is Vince himself. No one that the management can bring in is going to make him play any harder.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince to Orlando, to join his cousin. Maybe for Juan Howard, Lue and all 2nd round pick. Nice, with Vince, Mac and Howard or Okafor.</div> Tmac left toronto and vince plays his position y would Tmac want to play with Vince again
Hahahah <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Parker? Maybe Parker and Manu, but Parker no way. I'd like to trade him to the Suns for Marion, they need a guy that will bring in money, and attract fans, and the Matrix would be a good addition for us.</div> This is so funny and why the NBA sucks. Parker is twice the BASKETBALL PLAYER that Carter is. Its no contest. Is Carter more entertaining?/ Maybe to the ESPN Sportscenter people who only watch highlights. To someone who likes the game of basketball and how it is supposed to be played,Parker is the better player. In fact during the Laker series it was argued ad naeseum about he being second only to Jason Kidd. And he is what,22 years old?? His best days are ahead of him. Carter is all flash and sizzle. Parker is substance. I take Parker over Carter any day of the week.....unless is a dunk contest.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Philjacksonsux:</div><div class="quote_post">This is so funny and why the NBA sucks. Parker is twice the BASKETBALL PLAYER that Carter is. Its no contest. Is Carter more entertaining?/ Maybe to the ESPN Sportscenter people who only watch highlights. To someone who likes the game of basketball and how it is supposed to be played,Parker is the better player. In fact during the Laker series it was argued ad naeseum about he being second only to Jason Kidd. And he is what,22 years old?? His best days are ahead of him. Carter is all flash and sizzle. Parker is substance. I take Parker over Carter any day of the week.....unless is a dunk contest.</div>Who are you kidding? Parker is twice the ball player Vince is?? I don't think Parker averaged 20 5 and 5 this year. Oh yeah, that was Vince, TMac, Garnett and LBJ. Your opinion leads me to believe that you have not watched a Raptor game at all last season. He was the reason they won all of their games. In terms of building your team around a player I would certainly do it around Carter and not Parker. I agree that he plays a better fundementally sound game than Carter but in terms of overall talent and ability to take over games when needed, at this point I would pick Carter over Parker any time. Bring that arguement up in a couple of years, but not now.
What Court Vision said, Parker is a good player, but to build a team around Parker solely would mean years of 20 wins a season. To compare Parker to Carter because of his success playing with Tim Duncan is absurd, how do you think Carter would do in a VC-Duncan combination, and the Raptors having Parker as their franchise player Parker is more fundamentally sound, but those people that try to undermine someone's knowledge by saying Carter is all flash and sizzle are the one's who's knowledge is a step behind. Watch Raptor games before you say that, Carter hasn't been all flash for the past 2 years, he doesn't even average a dunk a game anymore, more like a dunk every three games, and those that still think Carter is all hops, atheleticism and dunks are the ones who are only watching Sportcenter, and only see the highlights of Carter dunking. To say Parker is twice the basketball player Carter is, is like saying Richard Jefferson is twice the player Tmac is because the Nets went to the second round.
Someone change the thread title. It doesn't even relate to the news. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">The Jazz'll take him, we need a superstar!!!!! Jerry Sloan's a tough coach, too bad we have nobody to trade for him since Kirelinko is off limits. What about Matt Harpring, and Carlos Arroyo or Lopez for Vince?</div> Vince wouldn't fit in the Jazz's system. Jerry Sloan wouldn't like players who would have a tendency to demand the ball and brick shots. By the way, that's a horrible trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is so funny and why the NBA sucks. Parker is twice the BASKETBALL PLAYER that Carter is. Its no contest. Is Carter more entertaining?/ Maybe to the ESPN Sportscenter people who only watch highlights. To someone who likes the game of basketball and how it is supposed to be played,Parker is the better player. In fact during the Laker series it was argued ad naeseum about he being second only to Jason Kidd. And he is what,22 years old?? His best days are ahead of him. Carter is all flash and sizzle. Parker is substance. I take Parker over Carter any day of the week.....unless is a dunk contest.</div> The thing that pisses me off about conversations are people who dont know what they're talking about. You purposely said this to stir up an argument right? Vince is 10 times better than Parker. He might have a bright future ahead of him, but it doesn't mean he'll automatically become an elite player. Vince has a caliber that can't be replaced by any player in the NBA other than Kobe, Tracy, Garnett, and others. People think that he can be replaced by Maggette, Dampier, Marion etc, when they have NO CHANCE of replacing him. Believe me, Vince is that good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince to Orlando, to join his cousin. Maybe for Juan Howard, Lue and all 2nd round pick. Nice, with Vince, Mac and Howard or Okafor.</div> put down the bong
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Philjacksonsux:</div><div class="quote_post">This is so funny and why the NBA sucks. Parker is twice the BASKETBALL PLAYER that Carter is. Its no contest. Is Carter more entertaining?/ Maybe to the ESPN Sportscenter people who only watch highlights. To someone who likes the game of basketball and how it is supposed to be played,Parker is the better player. In fact during the Laker series it was argued ad naeseum about he being second only to Jason Kidd. And he is what,22 years old?? His best days are ahead of him. Carter is all flash and sizzle. Parker is substance. I take Parker over Carter any day of the week.....unless is a dunk contest.</div> on topic...this whole thing is so typical of the toronto media. "vince wants out". last time i checked vince wanted to retire a raptor. he hasnt said a word, and people are jumping to conclusions. untill he publicly demands a trade...this is nothing more then a load of horse feces ps. im sure vince is as impressed with the staff that did get hired as everyone else is. these guys have good minds for the game, and are commited to winning.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kaillou:</div><div class="quote_post">Regardless, Vince has a bad attitude and is somewhat of a baby. He gets way too emotional at the refs, and I think it holds his game down, and holds us down. He wants things done his way, and even if he is our star, he hasnt done anything to warrant power with the front office. He really needs a coach that is going to be tough on him and build some character, because he has serious attitude problems.</div> What are you talking about man?! Vince has a good attitude, he's a faithful athlete who's a top 10 scorer, u think if we got Marion he'd be so faithful to stick it out here? He's not emotional enough, he doesnt always complain to the refs, u want to see emotional? Try Divac. How does that hold us down? Without him, we'd be back in the post Damon Stoudamire era! NO hopes of the playoffs. He has not said anything yet during the summer, and you jus say anything you want. He's a strong athlete for not complainin alot. He never says much and you says he has an attitude problem. His love for Canada shows his faith and commitment. He can easily leave and be a poster boy for the US if he wanted, trust me on this one. How can people be so biased with him. If he left, ppl would tell him off and hate on him, yet when McGrady leaves, or is considering leaving, b/c He himself cant make the magic better like how Vince can make the raps better, ppl never ever say anything negative about McGrady. Plus Vince is not injury prone, what would you say if Vince ended this season with an injury? He didnt, you'd probably go off even if Vince ended next season without injuring himself too. Iverson is injured now and didnt play for much of this season, what do you say to that?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Philjacksonsux:</div><div class="quote_post">This is so funny and why the NBA sucks. Parker is twice the BASKETBALL PLAYER that Carter is. Its no contest. Is Carter more entertaining?/ Maybe to the ESPN Sportscenter people who only watch highlights. To someone who likes the game of basketball and how it is supposed to be played,Parker is the better player. In fact during the Laker series it was argued ad naeseum about he being second only to Jason Kidd. And he is what,22 years old?? His best days are ahead of him. Carter is all flash and sizzle. Parker is substance. I take Parker over Carter any day of the week.....unless is a dunk contest.</div> Haha, you dont know what you're talking about! This is soo jokes~! Carter is purely clutch, he mainly comes alive in fourth quarter last minutes, WITHOUT DUNCAN helping him out. Parker sucks. Why dont i link a video of his top 10 plays for only 2004. What it does not show is the last 20 seconds when he hit the 3 while down a point to beat the Hornets in their arena, it also doesnt show when Raps were down by 1 with 10 seconds left and he drove on mcgrady and hit the jump shot while fading away and McGrady was jumping on him to win the game for the raptors. Check out the atlanta game for the #1 on Carters highlight reel for 2004 Carters TOP 10 for 2004 http://www.vince.e-basket.pl/videos_top10_0304.html thats the link, enjoy it
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post"> Carters TOP 10 for 2004 http://www.vince.e-basket.pl/videos_top10_0304.html thats the link, enjoy it</div> lol...none of the videos on that link work
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">lol...none of the videos on that link work</div> AH CRAP, ur rite, it doesnt lol.. umm... disregard my last post then haha Heres a link with his yearly highlight reels http://www.ferio.idv.tw/viewtopic.php?t=9451&view=next
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about man?! Vince has a good attitude, he's a faithful athlete who's a top 10 scorer, u think if we got Marion he'd be so faithful to stick it out here? He's not emotional enough, he doesnt always complain to the refs, u want to see emotional? Try Divac. How does that hold us down? Without him, we'd be back in the post Damon Stoudamire era! NO hopes of the playoffs. He has not said anything yet during the summer, and you jus say anything you want. He's a strong athlete for not complainin alot. He never says much and you says he has an attitude problem. His love for Canada shows his faith and commitment. He can easily leave and be a poster boy for the US if he wanted, trust me on this one. How can people be so biased with him. If he left, ppl would tell him off and hate on him, yet when McGrady leaves, or is considering leaving, b/c He himself cant make the magic better like how Vince can make the raps better, ppl never ever say anything negative about McGrady. Plus Vince is not injury prone, what would you say if Vince ended this season with an injury? He didnt, you'd probably go off even if Vince ended next season without injuring himself too. Iverson is injured now and didnt play for much of this season, what do you say to that?</div> I think you may need to calm urself. In the past, ive shown my love for Carter, theres no doubting his love for Canada and his ability, but he allows his attitude and frusturation to hold himself down. As a Raptor fan, you should know this. I didnt say anything about being injured, being faithful to the Raptors, but if he wanted a trade, I would trade him for Marion. Marion is not flash and hype, he is production, a solid 20, 8 and 4 threat every nite. Plus blocks and steals, and a decent defensive game. And hes only improving, I could he would thrive in Toronto's offense. Ive said it before, I wouldnt trade Vince for anybody.. IF he wants to play here, but if he doesnt, then Marion is my man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kaillou:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you may need to calm urself. In the past, ive shown my love for Carter, theres no doubting his love for Canada and his ability, but he allows his attitude and frusturation to hold himself down. As a Raptor fan, you should know this. I didnt say anything about being injured, being faithful to the Raptors, but if he wanted a trade, I would trade him for Marion. Marion is not flash and hype, he is production, a solid 20, 8 and 4 threat every nite. Plus blocks and steals, and a decent defensive game. And hes only improving, I could he would thrive in Toronto's offense. Ive said it before, I wouldnt trade Vince for anybody.. IF he wants to play here, but if he doesnt, then Marion is my man.</div> Fans dont understand my logic. They all woo and whaa seeing highlight reel dunks of Vince jumping over guys. I will take a star PG over a Star wing any day of the week. Carter is the flashiest guy in the league and everyone loves him. Is he electricfying? Hell Yeah. Is he a team guy?? Check his other numbers out. Check out his defense too while youre at it. This guy is sizzle and flash and no substance. He dont have the know how that a Parker has. Vince Carter in the half court since his rookie year is just awful. Cant play without the ball. My level of entertainment I knew would differ from the majority. I like quality ball. Extra passes,screens for jumpers,pick and roll,position defense,players that have post up ability(particularly big men). Parker provides that. Watchin Rip Hamilton run baseline to baseline and then to elbow to get off a jumper is what a 2 guard is supposed to do. Ive said my peace,I know yall dont understand.
You see the big thing is that your saying this: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This guy is sizzle and flash and no substance. He dont have the know how that a Parker has. Vince Carter in the half court since his rookie year is just awful. Cant play without the ball.</div> and anyone that actually watches the Raptors or watches Carter knows that's not true. Also the Raptors offense wasn't built like other teams offense, we were supposed to be a defensive stopping team without the right players to be defensive stoppers, and our coaches whole offensive sets were Isolation on Carter or Rose, and some pick and roll with the dish to the pick setter for the jumper. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They all woo and whaa seeing highlight reel dunks of Vince jumping over guys. I will take a star PG over a Star wing any day of the week</div> This year? I don't remember. Parker is a star PG? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Extra passes,screens for jumpers,pick and roll,position defense,players that have post up ability(particularly big men).</div> One player can't run a screen and roll for a jumper by himself, he needs someone else to screen him, Carter is not a good man to man defender, but his team defense is actually not bad. Parker has post up ability? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Is he a team guy?? Check his other numbers out.</div> This further shows that you don't watch the Raptors or know about the team and are likely just basing this on stats, and highlights on TV, Carter was being criticized for passing too much to teammates (like Michael Curry, Milt Palacio, Archibald etc) who counldn't buy a basket if their lives depended on it. He averaged 4.8 assists as a shooting guard, I don't know why that's bad. Also for Parker, 14.7 points, and 5.5 assists during the season? That looks more like a scoring guards numbers than a real PG's numbers, now the playoff performances were spectacular, but still looked a lot more like a scoring guard. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Kaillou":</div><div class="quote_post">I think you may need to calm urself. In the past, ive shown my love for Carter, theres no doubting his love for Canada and his ability, but he allows his attitude and frusturation to hold himself down. As a Raptor fan, you should know this. I didnt say anything about being injured, being faithful to the Raptors, but if he wanted a trade, I would trade him for Marion. Marion is not flash and hype, he is production, a solid 20, 8 and 4 threat every nite. Plus blocks and steals, and a decent defensive game. And hes only improving, I could he would thrive in Toronto's offense. Ive said it before, I wouldnt trade Vince for anybody.. IF he wants to play here, but if he doesnt, then Marion is my man.</div> He is a little flash, and his half court game still needs improvement, but very true, but maybe not 20 points, a little less , and his passing is also just okay, not 4 assists per game good, still hasn't broken the 3 assists a game barrier, but he is a good defender.
IF Carter wants to leave ... i'd say Carter for Marion straight up ... or go trade Vince for Q Rich and Maggette type deal.. involving different players
Why would the Clipper trade Maggette and Q-Rich for Carter? Well I guess they'd do it for the monetary value, but I wouldn't even want Q-Rich on the Raps.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gotrunks226:</div><div class="quote_post">IF Carter wants to leave ... i'd say Carter for Marion straight up ... or go trade Vince for Q Rich and Maggette type deal.. involving different players</div> I wouldnt do the QRich, Maggete deal either, but at least Qrich takes it to the hole once in a while... btw, vince is an ass in person...my wife and kid was with me at Dave and Busters about a year ago....The raptors were there, i saw vince walk by and said "Wassup Vince", he just looked at me and my kid, and walked right by...what a prick...I didnt even ask him for a picture with my son, or an autograph....ever since then he is not the same in my books....
