Q-Rich takes too many shots, Maggette is the one that's always going to the basket, and he uses pumpfakes like Crazy to draw fouls, he goes to the line 8+ times a game. Carter probably goes to the hole more the Q, but Q's a beast, 238 lbs and 6'5, he's like the Ron Artest of the shooting guards, but if he played defense and didn't shoot so much, then it would all be good.
Q-Rich is the better shooter, Magatte takes it to the hole better. Both of them can take it the hole though, they're strong.
If Vince goes I'd imagine he'd hold out for a winner. What about Portland they'd love a guy like Vince. They'd Ship Abdur-Rahim and Anderson I bet.
If you guys didn't know .... Q Rich/Maggette are still very young and can still learn a lot with their POT so i believe it would be a great deal for Toronto if they can pull it out some how
Yea Q-Rich is 24, and Maggette 25, but we have Jalen Rose, if we get those 2, someone out of Jalen-Maggette and Q-Rich won't be starting. Q-Rich is and FA, so it will also have to be a sign and trade, and I really don't want Q.
Carter will be a raptor for life....thats the bottom line. They already have something great happening in toronto...with jalen, vince, donyell, alvin and a more matured chris bosh...and dont forget the 7th pick! And by the way the top 4 players in the NBA right now are Shaq, Tim Duncan and Vince Carter and Jason Kidd...for their respective positions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kevinduncan_21:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter will be a raptor for life....thats the bottom line. They already have something great happening in toronto...with jalen, vince, donyell, alvin and a more matured chris bosh...and dont forget the 7th pick! And by the way the top 4 players in the NBA right now are Shaq, Tim Duncan and Vince Carter and Jason Kidd...for their respective positions.</div> What you been smokin? I need some of that...I like Carter...when he plays hard...but he aint even in the top 10 in the league...
Vince, Jalen Rose, and Mo Pete or Chris Bosh for Shaq and some scrub or a second round pick! Sweet! LOL, keep wishing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kevinduncan_21:</div><div class="quote_post">And by the way the top 4 players in the NBA right now are Shaq, Tim Duncan and Vince Carter and Jason Kidd...for their respective positions.</div> Totaly disgree!! Who is the mvp KG. Plus vince hasent done anything great FOR 3 YEARS NOW he is one of my favorite players, but doesnt deserve to be mentioned as the elite at his position. You first have to look at players like peja and artest way before you look at VC as the top small forward in the nba. VC is more exciting and could be better, but right now he shouldnt be called the elite small forward in the nba.
i think a good trade will be Eddie Jones, Brian Grant Rafer Alston and Wang Zhizhi for VC Milt Palacio and a Draft Pick toronto goes with a good team with c-grant pf-bosh sf-rose sg-jones pg-alston or draft pick. And Miami with a very good team like that c-draft pick (Peter John Ramos will be good) pf-odom sf-butler sg-vc pg-wade
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting zonebeast:</div><div class="quote_post">i think a good trade will be Eddie Jones, Brian Grant Rafer Alston and Wang Zhizhi for VC Milt Palacio and a Draft Pick toronto goes with a good team with c-grant pf-bosh sf-rose sg-jones pg-alston or draft pick. And Miami with a very good team like that c-draft pick (Peter John Ramos will be good) pf-odom sf-butler sg-vc pg-wade</div> Vince wont be traded because the owners of the raptors also own the maple leafs ,, and with a strong possibility of no hockey next yr in toronto ,, the raptors will be the main team ..so they'll need the biggest superstar they can too draw in the ppl ,,, trading vince would be dumb as hell
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting zonebeast:</div><div class="quote_post">i think a good trade will be Eddie Jones, Brian Grant Rafer Alston and Wang Zhizhi for VC Milt Palacio and a Draft Pick toronto goes with a good team with c-grant pf-bosh sf-rose sg-jones pg-alston or draft pick. And Miami with a very good team like that c-draft pick (Peter John Ramos will be good) pf-odom sf-butler sg-vc pg-wade</div> Are you out of your mind? Put all of those player's caliber together and still won't match up to Vince's. Add Lamar Odom in that deal and I'm all for it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you out of your mind? Put all of those player's caliber together and still won't match up to Vince's. Add Lamar Odom in that deal and I'm all for it.</div> HA, that's funny stuff there. No way is Vince THAT good. In fact, he's gotten worse over his career because of his nagging injuries. He's lost a step over the last couple years. He's been hampered by injuries, and, to top it off, his team has sucked the last 2 years. He's a terrible leader on the court, which is why they don't win and haven't made the playoffs for a couple years. I remember the last time they made the playoffs was the year he messed something up at the end of the year and it ended up being Mo Pete leading them into the playoffs, not Vince Carter. And what's happened since then, Carter continues to get injured and Mo Pete gets shafted this year and loses the starting job. There's no way he's better than Jones and Alston combined, nonetheless all four of those players. In my opinion, you throw Odom in that, the Heat get screwed. Hell they'd get screwed anyways, 4 players for Vince Carter. Ha, that's a joke. Vince isn't worth that much anymore. Not a chance. Maybe a few years ago before his knee problems and when his team was good, but, not now. He's a terrible leader and is never healthy anymore.
People get your info straight chunster is absolutely right... carter is a trillion times better then parker... what is that other guy thinking? The thing that pisses me off about conversations are people who dont know what they're talking about. You purposely said this to stir up an argument right? Vince is 10 times better than Parker. He might have a bright future ahead of him, but it doesn't mean he'll automatically become an elite player. Vince has a caliber that can't be replaced by any player in the NBA other than Kobe, Tracy, Garnett, and others. People think that he can be replaced by Maggette, Dampier, Marion etc, when they have NO CHANCE of replacing him. Believe me, Vince is that good.[/QUOTE]
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting zonebeast:</div><div class="quote_post">i think a good trade will be Eddie Jones, Brian Grant Rafer Alston and Wang Zhizhi for VC Milt Palacio and a Draft Pick toronto goes with a good team with c-grant pf-bosh sf-rose sg-jones pg-alston or draft pick. And Miami with a very good team like that c-draft pick (Peter John Ramos will be good) pf-odom sf-butler sg-vc pg-wade</div> I guess you don't watch Miami, Brian Grant is not a center, Rafer Alston isn't even on contract with the Heat, Eddie Jones can shoot as is still a smart defender, but those 2 make 14 million each and Jones isn't that good anymore, they're also both old. Wang will just be useless, kinda like when be had Meng Bateer, Miami would become sick, and we would get much worse, that's just stupid. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter continues to get injured and Mo Pete gets shafted this year and loses the starting job. There's no way he's better than Jones and Alston combined, nonetheless all four of those players.</div> I guess you don't watch the Heat or Raptors either, Mo Pete is not good, he didn't lead us anywhere, it was a whole team effort, and we had an easy schedule going down the stretch that year. Jones is old and not that good, that trade wouldn't work because of contracts, but if that gives the Heat Wade-Carter-Butler-Odom and their draft pick center how can you call that shaft? That's a great trade, and a Gm that can pull that off I'll take my hat off to him. They lose one player off the bench in Alston, and Wang isn't good anyways. That would be a shaft on the Raptors, with Odom that's a shaft on the Heat, Odom is too good for that trade, but just Jones, Grant, Alston (sign and trade I guess) and Wang for Carter, Milt and a draft pick, that's retarded. Also people stop with this Vince is a top 5 player in the league or the best player at his position garbage, he's a top 10 player in terms of his talent but not his play. In terms of his play he's top 20, and also in his position maybe top 5 (He's a SG not a SF), between 4 and 7. (Kobe, Tmac, Pierce ahead of him)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">HA, that's funny stuff there. No way is Vince THAT good. In fact, he's gotten worse over his career because of his nagging injuries. He's lost a step over the last couple years. He's been hampered by injuries, and, to top it off, his team has sucked the last 2 years.</div> Forget the past... Face the future... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's a terrible leader on the court, which is why they don't win and haven't made the playoffs for a couple years. I remember the last time they made the playoffs was the year he messed something up at the end of the year and it ended up being Mo Pete leading them into the playoffs, not Vince Carter. And what's happened since then, Carter continues to get injured and Mo Pete gets shafted this year and loses the starting job. There's no way he's better than Jones and Alston combined, nonetheless all four of those players. In my opinion, you throw Odom in that, the Heat get screwed. Hell they'd get screwed anyways, 4 players for Vince Carter. Ha, that's a joke. Vince isn't worth that much anymore. Not a chance. Maybe a few years ago before his knee problems and when his team was good, but, not now. He's a terrible leader and is never healthy anymore.</div> My bad, did I exaggerate the trade? In order to make that trade fair, I would add in Donyell Marshall. Picture Vince with Wade, and he will drastically make him a better player as Vince has made Bosh. Vince is NOT a TERRIBLE leader. You need to explore some adjectives. He tells his teammates what to do and he wills them to excel better. When the Raptors were still able to make the playoffs last year, he was dropping 30 every night and he was yelling at them, but his teammates didn't care at all. He's not as good of a leader as Jordan, Garnett, and Kidd, but he is an exceptional leader.
Regarding the Vince for Iverson trade that idiotic media people have created and stirred up for no apparent reason, Babcock said in a press conference that he has not considered and talked about trading Vince. He said that he would like to build the team around Vince for the future, which cements the fact that Vince will NOT NOT NOT be traded. The media is such a cancer. Why do they even exist in sports?
Not really will happened. VC have high value and Magics looks don't have such much money to have him on their team. Unless he wants to reduce his value down just like Karl Malone to Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nsxtreme:</div><div class="quote_post">Not really will happened. VC have high value and Magics looks don't have such much money to have him on their team. Unless he wants to reduce his value down just like Karl Malone to Lakers.</div> face the facts ppl ,, vince and bosh will be built around for the coming yrs ... vince isnt going anywhere it makes no sense whatsoever for the raptor franchise.
