Carlisle or Thomas?

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  1. Duece~2

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    After the season ended for the pacers, I was very happy too see them getting the respect they owned for 61 wins and their hardcore defensive effort, that carlisle worked to them. But when they got eliminated by the Pistons, It came to my mind, that was if we still had Isiah thomas as headcoach? would he make them a better team? would he maybe carried them to the finals? what do you guys think?
     
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    <font size="2">I would choose Carlisle. He brings more control to this team and most notably he makes them better as a whole defensively. Thomas' Pacer team was pretty erratic in the way they played. They would go on big losing streaks as well as big winning streaks. They were just not consistent.

    BTW had Jermaine O'neal and Jamaal Tinsley not get injured in the 3rd round I would certainly think that they would be playing the Lakers in the finals instead of the Pistons. But that is my opinion.

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    Carlisle brings a disciplined style of coaching to the team. With the young players that Indiana has, it is wise to add a mature guy onto the staff. With Thomas, the players were very wild. I believe that Carlisle played a large part in the sudden change in Artest's behavior.
     
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    carlisle brings respect. thomas was nice, but he didnt have control of the group. he had the talent previous years and he wasn't pushing the right buttons. if thomas was still around, i know they wouldn't have won 61 games and maybe not have gotten to the ecf. carlisle came into indy with having success in detroit and the players saw that he can take a team to the ecf and be a successful coach if they buy into what he preaches. carlisle could've been coach of the year if hubie didnt have that great season with memphis. too bad for car, he deserves to get more publicity and praise. he is a good coach and young. he will most likely be talked about with the great coaches in the league. he can win a handful of rings. i would take him anyday as a coach over thomas.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting throwback:</div><div class="quote_post">carlisle brings respect. thomas was nice, but he didnt have control of the group. he had the talent previous years and he wasn't pushing the right buttons. if thomas was still around, i know they wouldn't have won 61 games and maybe not have gotten to the ecf. carlisle came into indy with having success in detroit and the players saw that he can take a team to the ecf and be a successful coach if they buy into what he preaches. carlisle could've been coach of the year if hubie didnt have that great season with memphis. too bad for car, he deserves to get more publicity and praise. he is a good coach and young. he will most likely be talked about with the great coaches in the league. he can win a handful of rings. i would take him anyday as a coach over thomas.</div>
    With what you said, I'll raise another question, as off-topic as it may seem:

    Were the Pistons right in firing Carlisle for Brown? Would the Pacers have been better had they contacted Brown for the job?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">With what you said, I'll raise another question, as off-topic as it may seem:

    Were the Pistons right in firing Carlisle for Brown? Would the Pacers have been better had they contacted Brown for the job?</div>

    from the first day i didnt think it was right for carlisle to be fired. he/det went to the ecf and had good success that year. i don't think getting swept by the nets was really a good reason to fire him, i dont know if there were other reasons along with that series loss. but i can also understand the move. it was not like he was fired and replaced by an assistant coach or some unprove coach. larry brown is arguably the best coach in the nba today. obviously detroit made the right move b/c they got the finals. but carlisle also showed this yr with the pacers that he is the real deal and that even though detroit got to the finals w/lb, you would think that if carlisle had rasheed wallace this year that he would have as much success as brown is having. maybe they wouldnt be as good defensively,but they would probably still make the finals. so it is not like larry took the same team to the finals as carlisle did, he had a better player and their defense and offense improved b/c of sheed and i think that obviously made larry brown's coaching easier as carlisle didnt have the sheed option.

    as for pacers contacting brown, i think they would probably still end up the way they did this year. maybe not winning 61 games, but thier playoff result. im just saying this b/c of the inexperience the pacers had and the youth. those guys havn't been out of the first round in a few years and dont have that winning confidence and the poise yet. i think with larry as a pacers coach that maybe they would have pushed det to 7games and they would have at least gotten a game 7 experience for next year. when they will be more ready and confident to win the east.

    both teams ended up good in their offseason moves last year. i think if your both a pacers and detroit fan you feel your team improved because of the coach. so with both teams being successful, it is kinda hard to say that the two moves were bad moves because both teams went past the rounds were they got eliminated last year
     

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