<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">wtwalker 77 you can use point 5 to invalidate just about every type of "sin" in the bible. for example So in the grand old scheme of letting him who is without sin cast the first stone, all of you who are against bestiality while having ever tried to proposition a woman while she was on the rag can just go ahead and put those stones back in your pocket. Does that mean I should be accepting to bestiality? I personally do not agree with homsexuality, but I dont consider myself a homophobic. If I were a homophobic I would have a prejudice against homosexual people. I don't have any problems with homosexual people. Like Rudeezy, I just don't agree with their lifestyle.</div> Turn that argument around and you'll see my point: does the fact that I disagree with bestiality mean I have to have an equal amount of moral contempt for homosexuals and guys who try to have sex with women during their periods? I think we'd both say no. The difference is you draw a line at homosexuality and I draw a line at beastiality. So that means each of us have to ascribe our own personal views on any interpretation of the bible (if you choose to follow the bible at all). That's why I disagree with any argument that says homosexuality is wrong just because the bible says so. It isn't an argument that has very much thought behind it. I'd much rather a Christian who uses the bible as an argument against homosexuality not just have read the bible, but interpreted it for themselves. If you think it is morally wrong, that's fine. I disagree with it, but you're entitled to your opinion. Beyond that, I would respect your opinion because you've put thought into it. A lot of thought is required because, as you can see by the number of posts, it isn't an easy issue to comprehend. Actually, that's part of the reason why I'm agnostic, I don't want my belief system to be tied to a religious doctrine. I want to be able to make up my own mind. If you're able to condemn homosexuality based on your own moral construct (i.e. without just saying its wrong because the bible said so) then that's fine. My moral construct is different based on my religious beliefs and the amount of time I've spent around homosexuals. The way I see it, the only difference between them and me is that they have a different sexual preference than I do. And, that difference is only as significant as two heterosexual men who have different sexual preferences in women (i.e. one prefers voluptuous women and the other prefers slender women).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">^^^ I think having lustful thoughts is a "sin"according to the bible.</div>Having lustful thoughts is not sinning. Dwelling on those thoughts is a sin. But that is neither here nor there.
Sactown dyme look at what your saying:<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bible follower? It's called being a Christian. Like I said before, just because they don't believe it's a sin doesn't it make not a sin. If that verse didn't convince you that homosexuality is a sin then I don't know what will. Maybe God himself has to appear to you and tell you it is. </div> Comments like that disgust me. Every person has a right to choose their sexual preference. You really need to spend time with a gay person and then you will realise that it's not a SIN, AHHHHHHHHHHHHH You've made me angry. If there is a place that you go after death, then those who have predjudice views will suffer. A lot of religions can lead to war and discrimination. You should believe in yourself and respect others.That's the key to having a happy and successful life. P.S. john amaechi is rumoured to be homasexual
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pidandsid:</div><div class="quote_post"> Comments like that disgust me. Every person has a right to choose their sexual preference. You really need to spend time with a gay person and then you will realise that it's not a SIN, AHHHHHHHHHHHHH You've made me angry. If there is a place that you go after death, then those who have predjudice views will suffer. A lot of religions can lead to war and discrimination. You should believe in yourself and respect others.That's the key to having a happy and successful life.</div>Now you are persecuting Dyme for what he believes in. Do you realize you're being the hypocrite now? He, like myself, is a christian and believes in the Word of God. And yes I do believe in myself and I do respect others but I put my faith in God because I am powerless by myself.
Everybody is entitled to think and feel for what they feel,but ridculing them for not beleving what you believe is wrong I Never preach about religion to any of my friends,cause that's not my place to say,and my beliefs are MY beliefs This thread has certainly been enlighting,and i like the fact that everybody has strong feelings about their own beliefs And on the Record...if i disagree with someones opinion on here,i would never give them crap on it...everybody's entitled to what they wanna believe
this is totally getting out of hand everyone needs to just calm down and just forget it...these arguments can go on for months...because what you all are doing getting pissed off at eachother for something they did or said and you end up doing the exact same thing to them........the only thing that matters is what you believe in personally i dont let the bible controll my life and im not an atheist...i think being gay is wrong...but who am i to say what right or wrong for another person...everone has thier on beliefs and morals that they follow....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">this is totally getting out of hand everyone needs to just calm down and just forget it...these arguments can go on for months...because what you all are doing getting pissed off at eachother for something they did or said and you end up doing the exact same thing to them........the only thing that matters is what you believe in personally i dont let the bible controll my life and im not an atheist...i think being gay is wrong...but who am i to say what right or wrong for another person...everone has thier on beliefs and morals that they follow....</div>I think its you who needs to calm down. You are the only one getting all worked up over this discussion for some odd reason. Its a good discussion, lets keep it going. Some of you have still yet to answer this question: If you favorite player came out of the closet would you still view him the same way and would he remain your favorite player?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you have still yet to answer this question: If you favorite player came out of the closet would you still view him the same way and would he remain your favorite player?</div> Of course everyone would look at him differently. As much as you could say you wouldn't - you would. Homosexuality is not accepted in America, and until that changes, people will look at the players differently. As for the god issue - I guess religion has a lot to do with this because the bible doesn't like the gay/lesbian issue. But what I don't understand is - apparently god loves everyone, why wouldn't he accept you as well - gay or straight?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post"> As for the god issue - I guess religion has a lot to do with this because the bible doesn't like the gay/lesbian issue. But what I don't understand is - apparently god loves everyone, why wouldn't he accept you as well - gay or straight?</div>This is a whole other issue but I'll anwer it anyways. God DOES love everyone, gay or straight. We are all sinners yet he accepts and loves each one of us but we are the ones to ultimately make our own decisions and determine our own fate. He warns us against this immoral lifestyle, it is our choice whether to listen or to do our own thing. I hope that answers your question.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I think its you who needs to calm down. You are the only one getting all worked up over this discussion for some odd reason. Its a good discussion, lets keep it going. Some of you have still yet to answer this question: If you favorite player came out of the closet would you still view him the same way and would he remain your favorite player?</div> i need to calm down? i didnt get worked up over anything...im just telling you what i 've seen at other boards when people are arguing over beliefs.for example goto *edit* and search for the passion of christ and goto the message board..just didnt want that to happen here...and i dont really have to answer this question AI has 3 kids..so i guess he is straight
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you have still yet to answer this question: If you favorite player came out of the closet would you still view him the same way and would he remain your favorite player?</div> Would he remain my favorite player? Yes, absolutely. I would never turn my back on anyone or like them any less, just because they were gay. Would I still view him the same way? No, the fact that he's gay would have to change how everyone views him. Because now he isn't just a basketball player, he's the first openly gay basketball player. I would want him to succeed all the more, because the better he does, the more accepting people would be of the gay lifestyle. I become very protective of people who I feel are being abused for no good reason and I would look at any abuse he suffered from fans or other players and totally unwarranted. So I'd probably root a lot harder for the guy to succeed.
Thats sounds fair enough wtwalker. For me though, I probably wouldn't root for the guy any longer. I root for the person, not just the basketball player and if I found out that my favorite player was in fact gay than I just couldn't continue to root for that particular player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">Both of you are just speaking from your opinions, because in reality there is isn't any proof that supports either of your claims. So let that not get into this debate and focus on the main question on this BASKETBALL forum. Do you believe that "5% of NBA players are gay?" Do you think they would survive if they "came out of the closet?" Why or why not</div> I didn't realize that you were this threads' police. If you don't like the direction this thread is going then redirect it w/o trying to flex your muscles (you are still a rookie on this site). To answer your question, do I think that 1 out of every 20 players in the league is homosexual, no. Maybe more than that has experimented w/ the same sex, but I seriously doubt that there are that many players in the league that have relationships exclusively w/ men. Do I think that they would survive? Yes, if they can play. If they are marginal then no. By surviving I'm assuming you mean, stay in the league. They would obviously be ripped by the fans (like Kordell Stewart from the Steelers) but if they could play they would survive. If my favorite player "came out of the closet" it would definitely bother me. For me to really pull hard for a player I have to like how that player carried himself on and off the court. I couldn't help myself from looking at that player and saying, "He can play, but he is also gay."
lmao The Answers 3 you are absolutely right. I went to The Passion of the Christ's forums a few months back and I was suprise at what I saw. The all forums were filled with threads from people bashing christianity and people trying to defend it. IT was like a all out war, however I doubt this forum will become like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats sounds fair enough wtwalker. For me though, I probably wouldn't root for the guy any longer. I root for the person, not just the basketball player and if I found out that my favorite player was in fact gay than I just couldn't continue to root for that particular player.</div> You know, that's exactly how I feel. I root for the person as well as the player, which is why I'd probably root more for a gay player. BUT, it depends on how that player carried himself. If the guy was a jerk in addition to being gay, I probably wouldn't root for him, but that's just because the guy was a jerk.
To answer the thread titled Homosexuals in the NBA and if 5% of NBA players would survive in this league, I suggest they just keep it to themselves. Why go out there and tell the NBA world that you're gay when most of America wouldn't even accept it? But if an NBA player came out of nowhere and felt comfortable admitting he was gay, a lot of the players wouldn't feel comfortable and I'm sure a majority of them would feel disgusted. Or perhaps somebody out there in particular would let out a gay slur. Now if it were my favorite player, I wouldn't care if they were gay or straight, or whoever they go to sleep with, as long as they contribute their best efforts on the basketball court is fine with me.
If a Big NBA Star,or anyone currently playing in the NBA now came out of the closet,i would be concerned with them..i mean fans can be crazy,and some of them don't have a good menatilty,and could do some things to them just because of their sexuality.. Does anyone here think of the possibillties of what could occur if someone were to come out now??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you have still yet to answer this question: If you favorite player came out of the closet would you still view him the same way and would he remain your favorite player?</div> Personally I wouldn't give a damn. As long as he's doing good in the league, the ish doesn't matter to me. I'm been around so many gay ppl I'm use to it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Now you are persecuting Dyme for what he believes in. Do you realize you're being the hypocrite now? He, like myself, is a christian and believes in the Word of God.</div> Umm, Sactown is a girl. Just in case you didn't know.
