Besides, we already have issues with players (some of which accidentally) releasing some racist comments or comments regarding wars. It almost usually results to uproars. Emo is right, it will create an opportunity for gay slurs to be said and it won't be pretty.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">Umm, Sactown is a girl. Just in case you didn't know.</div>I didnt know that. Thanks for the heads up. :thumbsup:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Instead of insulting members, why don't you back up what you are saying with facts.</div> ignorant is an insult? since when? it wasnt meant as an insult...people making fun of someones name is pretty ignorant...im sure i could have acutally used an insulting word, but i chose to be mature about it, and simply say ignorant. but like i said...there is no scientific evidence to back up my opinion...personally, i just thought it was common knowledge that sexual preference is a part of who you are, not what you choose to be. i didnt know so many people still followed the same school of thought you do <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> How do you know people do not choose to be gay? What proof do you have that people are born gay?</div> this is redundant...are you just going to keep asking me what evidence i have? do you have any evidence to prove your opinion. i already said that i know there is no scientific evidence...im aware of that. but from my own personal experience...i could tell from a very young age, that i wanted to play kissing tag with girls...etc. i just seemed to instinctivly prefer girls. the way i see it, if its like that for me, why would it be different from homosexuals. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yes. What are you basing this on? Your opinion? I have debated this issue on another discussion board with gays and they would tell you that some do choose and some do not. Again, say who?</div> like i said...sure some do choose...but the majority of homosexuals will tell you "i could tell from an early age..blah blah blah..." i just thought that was the way it is.
As a christian i believe that homosexuality is a sin just like any other. A sin is something that you can learn to ignore/resist. A sin can be something that you have known you whole life (ie: "being born gay") but it will take a long time to overcome. this is however if you seek to overcome it. the point someone made about homosexual players/nonhomosexual players posting up and making contact with each other is somewhat irrelevant. Just like any contact between and man and a woman (straight people we're talking) doesn't mean that either one is automatically turned on or attracted to the other just because they have an interest in the opposite sex. the same can be said for the homosexual group, not all homosexuals are attracted to all other same sex people. We should not treat homosexual players any different to non-homosexual players. But the sad reality is that not everyone is as tolerant as you or I and therefore these people will be made outcasts in their own league. It just goes to show the imaturity of people in this day and age. i think we have to take into consideration our own short falls, and think what if say swearing was outcast in the same way. Would you expect others to be tolerant and helpful? i think so, and we should do the same for others.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I didnt know that. Thanks for the heads up. :thumbsup:</div> Wait a minute, you had no idea sactown_dyme was even my sister?
Simple fact is if a player 'came out of the closet' people would look at them differently. All I'm reading about is how everyone is a sinner. I'm going off topic on this one, but I'm confused as all hell.. So if everyone is a sinner, whats the difference between being gay and straight? Either way you will still sin at somepoint in your life, right? If this guy died for our sins, why are we not trying to sin? Shouldn't we live life to the fullest rather than try to please someone who died for us to enjoy ourselves? And I keep reading about god, but isn't jesus god as well? Rudeezy, I need you on this one! <font size="1">(Or maybe go to church )</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"> this is redundant...are you just going to keep asking me what evidence i have? do you have any evidence to prove your opinion. i already said that i know there is no scientific evidence...im aware of that. but from my own personal experience...i could tell from a very young age, that i wanted to play kissing tag with girls...etc. i just seemed to instinctivly prefer girls. the way i see it, if its like that for me, why would it be different from homosexuals.</div>I'm asking what evidence you have because you are accussing other people of being ignorant just because they don't have the same beliefs as you. Believe it or not, people actually do think for themselves. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> like i said...sure some do choose...but the majority of homosexuals will tell you "i could tell from an early age..blah blah blah..." i just thought that was the way it is.</div>The majority will tell me that? Have you ran a survey or something? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait a minute, you had no idea sactown_dyme was even my sister? </div>Holy hell! I had no idea!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post"> So if everyone is a sinner, whats the difference between being gay and straight? </div>Being gay means you like to have sex with the same gender. Being straight means you have sex with the opposite sex. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Either way you will still sin at somepoint in your life, right? </div>Correct, nobody's perfect. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If this guy died for our sins, why are we not trying to sin? </div>He died for our sins so that we can lay them on Him, instead of taking it to the grave. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shouldn't we live life to the fullest rather than try to please someone who died for us to enjoy ourselves? </div>Yea, if you want to go to hell. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I keep reading about god, but isn't jesus god as well?</div>Yes, the father, the son and the holy spirit. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Rudeezy, I need you on this one! <font size="1">(Or maybe go to church )</font></div>I got your back.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Being gay means you like to have sex with the same gender. Being straight means you have sex with the opposite sex.</div> haha. Nah, I ment whats the difference in god's eyes? I thought he thought everyone was equal, no matter what. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He died for our sins so that we can lay them on Him, instead of taking it to the grave.</div> Whats wrong with taking them to the grave? This might sound bad, but wouldn't it be cool to bring all the fun memories you had with you to afterlife? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yea, if you want to go to hell. </div> So you are pretty much restricted from having any sort of fun? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, the father, the son and the holy spirit.</div> I still don't get how he can be both. So god = jesus? That doesn't seem possible - He can't be two men.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pidandsid:</div><div class="quote_post">You really need to spend time with a gay person and then you will realise that it's not a SIN,</div> For your info, my best friend is bisexual. I've "spent time" with gays and they haven't changed my views on homosexuality. But look here, I've been putting out reasons as to why I believe homosexuality is a sin. So why don't you give me one good reason why you don't think it's a sin? If there's nothing wrong with being homosexual, then why can't a lesbian couple have kids? Because it's not supposed to be that way. If everybody was gay, there would be no people in this world because there would be no babies. The reason God made marriage is so we can multiply. There's no multiplying going on with gay couples. If being gay is so natural, then what was the point of Adam and what was the point of Eve? If there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, God woulda jus stopped at Adam. There would be no need for an Eve. Look, do me a favor, no, do us both a favor and go to your local church and ask the pastor, preacher, whoever, ask him if homosexuality is a sin. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AHHHHHHHHHHHHH You've made me angry. If there is a place that you go after death, then those who have predjudice views will suffer. A lot of religions can lead to war and discrimination. You should believe in yourself and respect others.That's the key to having a happy and successful life.</div> I do respect gays as people. I don't respect their lifestyle and their sexual perference. They can do their thang, it really don't affect me. But don't come tryna tell me that it's not a sin because, no matter what you may think, it is. Call me close minded or whatever, but those are my beliefs and I stick to them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">haha. Nah, I ment whats the difference in god's eyes? I thought he thought everyone was equal, no matter what. </div>Everyone is created equal and he loves everyone equally. But he does give us "standards" to live by. We choose whether or not to obey them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Whats wrong with taking them to the grave? This might sound bad, but wouldn't it be cool to bring all the fun memories you had with you to afterlife?</div>You couldn't enjoy them in hell. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So you are pretty much restricted from having any sort of fun? </div>Not at all. I'm not the best christian example right now but it is still very possible to have fun being a christian, I'v experienced it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I still don't get how he can be both. So god = jesus? That doesn't seem possible - He can't be two men.</div> Its hard to comprehend it, but the Father, the son and the holy spirit are part of the trinity.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm asking what evidence you have because you are accussing other people of being ignorant just because they don't have the same beliefs as you. Believe it or not, people actually do think for themselves. </div> "remember people...being gay is a choice its not predetermined" if other people are going to state their opinions as fact...then so am i lol. no but honestly...it wasnt untill after i posted that i found out that it hasnt been proven...i really thought it had been. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The majority will tell me that? Have you ran a survey or something? </div> yea...i ran a survey from my experience...from the majority of homsexuals iv seen talking about the subject...thats been the case.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">the son and the holy spirit are part of the trinity.</div> Riiight. Well my lifestyle is very pure & Christian-like, so I'll see you in heaven.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post"> Look, do me a favor, no, do us both a favor and go to your local church and ask the pastor, preacher, whoever, ask him if homosexuality is a sin. </div> How about you go to your local church and ask the priest if he's gay, or if he knows of any gay priests?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Simple fact is if a player 'came out of the closet' people would look at them differently. All I'm reading about is how everyone is a sinner. I'm going off topic on this one, but I'm confused as all hell.. So if everyone is a sinner, whats the difference between being gay and straight? Either way you will still sin at somepoint in your life, right?</div> The less you sin, the better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If this guy died for our sins, why are we not trying to sin?</div> He died for us so that when we die we can go to heaven. The price that Jesus paid for our sins is the price that we were supposed to pay, but he took the fall for us so we can be with him when we die. If he didn't die for our sins, then when we die we would all go to hell. Our sins had to be accounted for and because he loves us so much, he accounted for them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shouldn't we live life to the fullest rather than try to please someone who died for us to enjoy ourselves?</div> He didn't die for us to enjoy ourselves. If he died for our sins, why keep sinning? Seeing what he went through because of our own impurity, that would make anybody hate sin. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I keep reading about god, but isn't jesus god as well?</div> God is the father and Jesus is the son, however, They are equal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">"remember people...being gay is a choice its not predetermined" if other people are going to state their opinions as fact...then so am i lol. no but honestly...it wasnt untill after i posted that i found out that it hasnt been proven...i really thought it had been. </div>Thats fair enough. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> yea...i ran a survey from my experience...from the majority of homsexuals iv seen talking about the subject...thats been the case.</div>How did the survey turn out? Was it done randomly?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spree:</div><div class="quote_post">How about you go to your local church and ask the priest if he's gay, or if he knows of any gay priests?</div> And the point and relevance of this post was.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He died for us so that when we die we can go to heaven. The price that Jesus paid for our sins is the price that we were supposed to pay, but he took the fall for us so we can be with him when we die. If he didn't die for our sins, then when we die we would all go to hell. Our sins had to be accounted for and because he loves us so much, he accounted for them.</div> Whoa. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He didn't die for us to enjoy ourselves. If he died for our sins, why keep sinning? Seeing what he went through because of our own impurity, that would make anybody hate sin. </div> Now I have no idea what a sin is. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">God is the father and Jesus is the son, however, They are equal.</div> Right.
If' you're gay, you're gay. If you're not gay, your're not gay. No problems becuase it seems like the players respect that. Those are my two cents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">And the point and relevance of this post was.....</div> Point being, priests are meant to preach on behalf of God, am i right? so how do u explain the ammounts of gay priests mollesting young boys. I guess thats a sin too, right? Follow god. Not your local priest. I won't bother arguing with u anymore seeings how your view is so one sided. not to mention so wrong. When you die and go to heaven/hell you will realise people are people. end of story i have nothing more to say to you.
