In reply to topics that were presented in this thread: Isn't God accepting of everybody? Yes. He loves all His children. However he hates sin and homosexuality is a sin. Why don't we leave gays alone? Cuz like Rudeezy said, they don't wanna be left alone. If they do they can cut all the parades and gay pride bumper stickers. They're trying to force feed it to us and we're not having it. Aren't all men created equal? Yes. God made us all in the image of Himself. Everybody has rights in this country. However, there are certain things we're not allowed to do, right? Same sex marriage is one of them. Why would you wanna put a kid through that anyway? All the ridiculing by their peers and the confusion as to why they have two moms or two dads and everybody else has one of each. And don't you find it weird that in every same sex couple, there is always the man playing the role of the woman or the woman playing the role of a man? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">And I think it's best I stop asking questions that way I don't offend other members.</div> The only to find out about Him is if you ask questions. Go right ahead and keep on asking jus make sure the way in which you ask the question isn't offensive.
Although this is a very imforming thread, we are headed in the wrong direction. This isn't a thread on religion. I do agree that God has a lot to do with this subject but lets keep this thread on topic as much as possible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Although this is a very imforming thread, we are headed in the wrong direction. This isn't a thread on religion. I do agree that God has a lot to do with this subject but lets keep this thread on topic as much as possible.</div> Yeah, though honestly pretty much everything has been said on the topic, heh. You're either tolerant of homosexuals or not. *shrug* My only comment is to reiterate that it's unfortunate that a player would get a lot of static from some players, coaches, etc if they came out. Hopefully time will bring tolerance.
I agree unbeliever, it would be sad if players would persecute gays for simply being gay. I don't accept their lifestyle but I would not reject anyone because of their sexuality.
OK, back to the topic at hand. Because of my beliefs i do not agree with homosexuality. It is something related to individuals which shouldn't be the concern of others. i feel they have a place everywhere and it is up to others to accept them the way they are. If you are uncomfortable with them, don't make a big deal about it, keep it to yourself. And i believe NBA players who are gay/straight have no place or right to persecute each on this basis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">I remember a while back people didn't even accept others dating outside of their race. Whenever a black/white person dated it was considered terrible and god wouldn't accept them.</div> Well that too is still hard to except for some. Like this one black lady tripping out on my father who's black, going with a hawaiian lady which is my mother. Or I myself wasn't approved of going with this hawaiian/phillipino girl because the dad doesn't like blacks. Apparently white guys are ok though. I've already posted about what would happen if a ball player came outta the closet. It would just be more trouble for them and that's the bottom line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">You really have to elaborate on what you're saying. If this can be proven please let me know. I'd love to hear your facts regarding this. Ok, you're now confusing me to the fullest now. Point is this and you can twist it anyway you want. God made man and a woman so that they can have kids and reproduce. It's even stated in the Bible, so I'd advise you to look into that for future reference. God didn't make it for gay or lesbian couples to have kids whatsoever. If you keep insisting this, you're making God look like a fool and you really don't wanna do that. </div> And I'd advise you to look at many scientific journals regarding fertilization in vitro, since you are so eager for the facts. Maybe I'll change your mind. Or maybe that'll be also too much to comprehend.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">You're entirely missing the point. The normal way for a couple to have kids is the man fertilizing the woman's egg and she gets pregnant and has a baby. A woman can't get another woman pregnant therefore, lesbian couples can't have children because a man must play a role in the whole process. I would think if same sex couples were okay with God then He would allow them to be able to have kids together.</div> I'm not missing the point, you are avoiding it. You said that since same sex couples can't have kids together, that's the proof that there's something wrong with homosexuality. I'm asking what happens then to straight couples that can't have children because the man can't play "his role in the process" for the simple reason that he's sterile. You must know there's men with this problem. So, are they wrong in the eyes of God also? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">Key word being artificial. It's not natural. Lesbian couples can't have kids the natural way. It's not even the non-pregnant woman's kid.</div> OK, let's say a lesbian woman decides to copulate (you may prefer the biblical term "fornicate") with a guy just to have kids, to save herself the cost and trouble of in-vitro - now, is she not a mother? Would that be natural enough? As for her partner, you can consider her an adoptive parent or a parent by marriage, whatever. Just as if it were a man who married a single mother and became a father to her kids. How can the procreation issue be the proof that homosexuality is wrong? Lesbian and unmarried women can have children. People don't have to be married to raise them. We won't become extinct any time soon because of homosexuality. Just admit that is a prejudice and that's fine, everybody is entited to have them. I have some too. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">Why don't we leave gays alone? Cuz like Rudeezy said, they don't wanna be left alone. If they do they can cut all the parades and gay pride bumper stickers. They're trying to force feed it to us and we're not having it.</div> See, that's intolerance. I'm an atheist, should I take exemption with my wife going to church and taking our kids with her? Maybe she's trying to force feed it to me. She could cut out the praying crap too. Maybe Jewish people should be rightly pissed at Christmas displays, isn't that a slap in the face for them? Or Muslims who are "not having it" in Africa have the right to massacre Christians. It's their fault for flaunting their beliefs. AS far as the topic: I believe that if an NBA player -my favorite player- came out of the closet, yes my opinion will change. I'LL ADMIRE HIM EVEN MORE, now not only as a player but also as a person, for having the courage and the balls to come out and live his life in the open, for looking in the eye at all the prejudiced people and telling them that like it or not it's his life and he doesn't have to hide it, not anymore than the other players have to hide their lifestyles - and what exemplary lifestyles some lead; children out of wedlock, drugs, violence. And for standing up to the jackasses in the locker room too. Anyone who'll do that is truly a valiant man. That's my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not missing the point, you are avoiding it. You said that since same sex couples can't have kids together, that's the proof that there's something wrong with homosexuality. I'm asking what happens then to straight couples that can't have children because the man can't play "his role in the process" for the simple reason that he's sterile. You must know there's men with this problem. So, are they wrong in the eyes of God also? </div> God intended for a man and a woman to have children together not, man and man or woman and woman. If a man is unable to fertalise then that is a medical condition. It does not mean they aren't sexually compatible. This is the point hat should have been made. Males are compatible with females. Males are not compatible with Males, and females are not compatible with females. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">OK, let's say a lesbian woman decides to copulate (you may prefer the biblical term "fornicate") with a guy just to have kids, to save herself the cost and trouble of in-vitro - now, is she not a mother? Would that be natural enough? As for her partner, you can consider her an adoptive parent or a parent by marriage, whatever. Just as if it were a man who married a single mother and became a father to her kids.</div> What you are saying is a something to take note of HOWEVER, sex was designed exclusively for married couples (no not same sex married couples) to both reproduce and share a pleasureable experience with each other. It is not something that is intended to occur outside of marrige and is infact a sin. So while the "natural" conception was somewhat legitament, the circumstances were not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">See, that's intolerance. I'm an atheist, should I take exemption with my wife going to church and taking our kids with her? Maybe she's trying to force feed it to me. She could cut out the praying crap too. Maybe Jewish people should be rightly pissed at Christmas displays, isn't that a slap in the face for them? Or Muslims who are "not having it" in Africa have the right to massacre Christians. It's their fault for flaunting their beliefs.</div> No one ever said christians didn't face persecution, it is part of being a christian and will always be part of it. God can see how faithul you are by the way you handle it. He never allows us to be tested beyond what we can overcome. those who cannot over come are not pre-desdined to enter his kingdom. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AS far as the topic: I believe that if an NBA player -my favorite player- came out of the closet, yes my opinion will change. I'LL ADMIRE HIM EVEN MORE, now not only as a player but also as a person, for having the courage and the balls to come out and live his life in the open, for looking in the eye at all the prejudiced people and telling them that like it or not it's his life and he doesn't have to hide it, not anymore than the other players have to hide their lifestyles - and what exemplary lifestyles some lead; children out of wedlock, drugs, violence. And for standing up to the jackasses in the locker room too. Anyone who'll do that is truly a valiant man. That's my opinion.</div> that is your persnal opinion and obviously i can't really make any comment about that, i do agree though,we need players/coaches/other staff with more guts to stand up for what it right and fair. Jono
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WhiteManCanJump:</div><div class="quote_post"> I remember a while back some journalists questioned players from the San Francisco 49ers if they would have a problem playing with homosexual teammates. I remember Garrison Hearst (starting running back at the time) said he would never play with a gay teammate if he found this out. Needless to say, the bay area was in an uproar about what this guy said. </div> of course there would be, look where he plays! in san fransisco!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm so glad I'm not Christian. No worrying about some invisible giant dictating my morals.</div>I'm so glad I'm not a non believer, living a selfish life and damned for eternal suffering.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm so glad I'm not Christian. No worrying about some invisible giant dictating my morals.</div> I'll pray for you man, and hopefully you can get your religious life turned around someday.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">And I'd advise you to look at many scientific journals regarding fertilization in vitro, since you are so eager for the facts. Maybe I'll change your mind. Or maybe that'll be also too much to comprehend.</div> I don't need to look into scientific vitro fertilization garbage because let the truth be told. And my own personal evidence is in the Bible written by special individuals that did once walk the earth, God made man and woman. He made Adam and Eve. The first human beings on this earth, and like it or not, we are all ancestors of Adam and Eve, God made man and a woman so that they can have as many kids as possible and reproduce. There is no kind of facts pointing out that God wants or wanted gay marriages or gay couples to have kids. That is absurd, ridiculous, and you're really making God look like one complete joke, and nobody in their right logical mind wants to do that. Maybe I should just stop, because one way or the other you're still gonna disagree with me. But one day you'll be smoked for sure. :mrgreen:
Funny thing though, aren't a lot of WNBA players Lesbians? And they're accepted, well to my knowledge, they're accepted, I haven't seen any controversey regarding them. But maybe people dont care, since its the WNBA, but its interesting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll pray for you man, and hopefully you can get your religious life turned around someday. </div> I'll stick to being spiritual. It's much healthier, at least for me. As for my earlier comment I was not saying I do not have any morals. On the contrary, I consider myself a very moral person but the morals I have are decided by ME, period. This allows me to avoid contradictions in my own beliefs and what some book, or priest, or god tells me I should believe. I was raised Mormon and if i was still one I would be at odds with my own religion on topics like abortion, gay marriage, etc. If you can not find peace with your religion, it's time to investigate alternatives.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">Funny thing though, aren't a lot of WNBA players Lesbians? And they're accepted, well to my knowledge, they're accepted, I haven't seen any controversey regarding them. But maybe people dont care, since its the WNBA, but its interesting.</div>I honestly don't know or care if there are any lesbians in the WNBA. I don't watch or follow it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I honestly don't know or care if there are any lesbians in the WNBA. I don't watch or follow it.</div> Exactly, people will never accept a gay player in the NBA. The NBA market has no fans for a gay player. It would not be a smart career move for any player. If they want to come out, thats their choice. But I dont think for a long time, anybody's going to come out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll stick to being spiritual. It's much healthier, at least for me. As for my earlier comment I was not saying I do not have any morals. On the contrary, I consider myself a very moral person but the morals I have are decided by ME, period. This allows me to avoid contradictions in my own beliefs and what some book, or priest, or god tells me I should believe. I was raised Mormon and if i was still one I would be at odds with my own religion on topics like abortion, gay marriage, etc. If you can not find peace with your religion, it's time to investigate alternatives. </div> Mormons are not christians. Having Morals set by you doesn't mean anything. God has created you to live by HIS morals and guidelines, a life centered around him. I don't think many understand, that life is NOT all about us, its all about GOD. being "spiritual" in the sense you have put it means your life is centered around you and therefore a selfish life. the sooner you understand, the sooner you'll realise that the life you are living now ultimately has no purpose. I know this sounds harsh, but it is the way it is and there is no point beating around the bush.
This should just be the religous thread already. I have no religion myself, so I won't go to heaven according to hypocrite church man because of that. But shouldn't ppl who don't practice what they preach not go to heaven. Because they're supposedly saved, god will forgive them all the time but not someone who has no religion that hasn't done a quarter of the bad ish the man who told me that I won't get in because of this. It's fustrating everytime I think about it.
