<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't need to look into scientific vitro fertilization garbage because let the truth be told. And my own personal evidence is in the Bible written by special individuals that did once walk the earth, God made man and woman. He made Adam and Eve. The first human beings on this earth, and like it or not, we are all ancestors of Adam and Eve, God made man and a woman so that they can have as many kids as possible and reproduce. There is no kind of facts pointing out that God wants or wanted gay marriages or gay couples to have kids. That is absurd, ridiculous, and you're really making God look like one complete joke, and nobody in their right logical mind wants to do that. Maybe I should just stop, because one way or the other you're still gonna disagree with me. But one day you'll be smoked for sure. :mrgreen:</div> My my... rejoicing at my eventual "smoking" doesn't seem like a very christian sentiment. Watch out or you'll be cooking right next to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">This should just be the religous thread already. I have no religion myself, so I won't go to heaven according to hypocrite church man because of that. But shouldn't ppl who don't practice what they preach not go to heaven. Because they're supposedly saved, god will forgive them all the time but not someone who has no religion that hasn't done a quarter of the bad ish the man who told me that I won't get in because of this. It's fustrating everytime I think about it.</div> i reckon we need an off topic forum to discuss this kind of stuff, it was somewhat relevant to the thread earlier, but no longer. Just in response to your comment... are you referring t me as hypocritical? or someone else you spoke to? Someone who has no religion has not accepted God as their creator, or Jesus as their saviour. Therefore they will not have jesus to take their sins on judgement day when they stand before God. Just because you are a christian doesn't mean you never do anything wrong. I guess that is why people always label christians as hypocrits. In actual fact everyone christian or not are hypocritical, and you'd be ignorant to suggest you weren't. Christians seek to do the right thing but often struggle, can you blame them? after all jesus was and will be the only perfect man EVER! If you recognise your sins, and seek to have forgiveness from God then that is fine. obviuosly sometimes you cannot always recognise your sin and that is to be expected.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">My my... rejoicing at my eventual "smoking" doesn't seem like a very christian sentiment. Watch out or you'll be cooking right next to me.</div> Ahhh.....we'll see. But I do hope you turn yourself in the right direction bro. :mrgreen:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post"> Maybe I should just stop, because one way or the other you're still gonna disagree with me. But one day you'll be smoked for sure. :mrgreen:</div> Emo, that is not the way you should react to their comments. He ha every chance to turn his life around, by making comments like that your only giving us a bad name, and making it harder for him to accept the truth. I agree that he is on the wrong track, and doesn't accept or understand God, but still your comment was quite a harsh thing to come out with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">Mormons are not christians. Having Morals set by you doesn't mean anything. God has created you to live by HIS morals and guidelines, a life centered around him. I don't think many understand, that life is NOT all about us, its all about GOD. being "spiritual" in the sense you have put it means your life is centered around you and therefore a selfish life. the sooner you understand, the sooner you'll realise that the life you are living now ultimately has no purpose. I know this sounds harsh, but it is the way it is and there is no point beating around the bush.</div>See this is the responses that this thread has been seeing for days on in. Religion is a sense of opinion, not the truth. Saying that our lives our without purpose because we don't go to church every Sunday and have an actual belief in human rights is a bit cuckoo if you ask me. Just because you base your set of beliefs in what the bible tells you doesn't mean that it is the law to the rest of us. Really people.....How many times have you had sex before you got married? People do many things that go against what the bible says but fail to mention it in this thread. Sorry to get nasty on you but....Are you going to hell because you masturbate and have sex on a regular basis before you got married? It's against what the bible says but yet you do it anyways. What about if you cheated on your girlfriend? Are you going to hell? Please people I think God knows what is right and what is wrong. I see nothing wrong with two people of the same sex getting married and I don't see why God would either. After all he used to be human himself.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">Emo, that is not the way you should react to their comments. He ha every chance to turn his life around, by making comments like that your only giving us a bad name, and making it harder for him to accept the truth. I agree that he is on the wrong track, and doesn't accept or understand God, but still your comment was quite a harsh thing to come out with.</div> You're right, and I should've come out in a different kind of style, but when people just make out God to be a complete joke and really try to twist things around to their own liking when it's written right between their eyes, it gets pretty annoying. Heck, I experience it in my own house every single day.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW, is it ok if I re-write the name for this thread and move this to the Members Union? </div> yeah if thats what suppose to go on, i got no idea, new to th forums etc. So in the members union we can discuss whatever we like?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW, is it ok if I re-write the name for this thread and move this to the Members Union? </div>No. If you want to start a religion thread, than start a new one. This is a thread discussing whether gays can/should/will come out of the closet and the consequences of such actions. I apologize for getting this thread off topic but I think it served well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">No. If you want to start a religion thread, than start a new one. This is a thread discussing whether gays can/should/will come out of the closet and the consequences of such actions. I apologize for getting this thread off topic but I think it served well.</div> well alot of aspects of religon have been discussed here and we'd be re-discussing them in a new thread. I reckon you should copy the thread to the members union and delete the posts irrelevant to the topic of religion.
I think I'll just leave it as it is. If we don't get this thread back on topic than I could just close it. There are other discussion boards where this type of thing is discussed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">i reckon we need an off topic forum to discuss this kind of stuff, it was somewhat relevant to the thread earlier, but no longer. Just in response to your comment... are you referring t me as hypocritical? or someone else you spoke to? Someone who has no religion has not accepted God as their creator, or Jesus as their saviour. Therefore they will not have jesus to take their sins on judgement day when they stand before God. Just because you are a christian doesn't mean you never do anything wrong. I guess that is why people always label christians as hypocrits. In actual fact everyone christian or not are hypocritical, and you'd be ignorant to suggest you weren't. Christians seek to do the right thing but often struggle, can you blame them? after all jesus was and will be the only perfect man EVER! If you recognise your sins, and seek to have forgiveness from God then that is fine. obviuosly sometimes you cannot always recognise your sin and that is to be expected.</div> No, I wasn't referring to you. This was back in 96 with this one guy that is a hypocrite. The man gets paid a 100% disability but plays ball like he isn't injured at all. Then picks on every white guy out their I swear. Then prays after the game he talking shit through the whole time. Then sexual harasses women at work and he's married. And I'm the one that isn't going to heaven, that's why I'm fustrated. Not at you Mcgrady. This man named Charles.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">No, I wasn't referring to you. This was back in 96 with this one guy that is a hypocrite. The man gets paid a 100% disability but plays ball like he isn't injured at all. Then picks on every white guy out their I swear. Then prays after the game he talking shit through the whole time. Then sexual harasses women at work and he's married. And I'm the one that isn't going to heaven, that's why I'm fustrated. Not at you Mcgrady. This man named Charles.</div> i didn't think it was aimed at me... i was reading my posts looking for a slef-incriminating sentence LOL DUDE! thats almost not hypocritical, he doesn't seem like a genuine christian at all. maybe he just prays for show and doesn't actually have a relationship with God/Jesus. I can totally see why you have your views marred, its because of these kind of fools, rest assured if he doesn't change his ways and begin a relationship with Jesus he is HELL BOUND
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">This should just be the religous thread already. I have no religion myself, so I won't go to heaven according to hypocrite church man because of that. But shouldn't ppl who don't practice what they preach not go to heaven. Because they're supposedly saved, god will forgive them all the time but not someone who has no religion that hasn't done a quarter of the bad ish the man who told me that I won't get in because of this. It's fustrating everytime I think about it.</div> Yeah theres way too much I don't understand. It's impossible for someone to come back from the dead. And apparently since god/jesus are the same thing - that also seems impossible. (I'm just giving my opinion on the situation, no need for a reply) Anyways, theres too much that seems messed up, and I'm cool with my life the way it is. I don't own a bible nor feel like I need one, and I live a great life. If god won't accept me for who I am - enjoying the night life parties, etc. then thats his problem. His loss - I'd make heaven a very interesting place. WNBA = Several lesbians. But most female sports are like that. Womens wrestling, weight lifting, basketball, golf, and possibly swimming are known for having many lesbians. No one seems to have a problem with it because no one cares enough. I am female and I can't stand womens sports. And personally, I'll stick with dance. :thumbsup:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah theres way too much I don't understand. It's impossible for someone to come back from the dead. And apparently since god/jesus are the same thing - that also seems impossible. (I'm just giving my opinion on the situation, no need for a reply)</div> i'll give ya one anyway, Jesus was fully man, and fully God. For God there is no impossible. He made the universe, earth, life, you and me. He can do what ever he wants. He has no restrictions, the only impossibility is Sin, cannot sin, and he cannot be near sin. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyways, theres too much that seems messed up, and I'm cool with my life the way it is. I don't own a bible nor feel like I need one, and I live a great life. If god won't accept me for who I am - enjoying the night life parties, etc. then thats his problem. His loss - I'd make heaven a very interesting place. </div> God won't accecpt you, because you haven't accepted him. PS - you can enjoy many things without sinning. Don't let lack of enjoyment hold you back, there is plenty of it! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">WNBA = Several lesbians. But most female sports are like that. Womens wrestling, weight lifting, basketball, golf, and possibly swimming are known for having many lesbians. No one seems to have a problem with it because no one cares enough. I am female and I can't stand womens sports. And personally, I'll stick with dance. :thumbsup:</div> i didn't think you were a chick... i guess there was nothign you said which would indicate either way until now. And being a new member i got no background
Why does it matter what the bible says or doesnt say. People should have enough b*lls to decide on their own if they approve of homosexuality or not. Or any topic for that matter. I hate when people ran behind others statements so they dont have to think about it on their own. The bible also includes incest so does that mean we should all start doing it? No, it doesnt. So people start deciding for yourself if its wrong or not. I see the bible as a guideline to live my life. Not the one and only truth. I dont know if people had a tramatic childhood and their gay or if they are born with the gay gene. I simpily dont know. I dont think its right. but we have to accept people for who they are, not what we want them to be. And feel that BBall players will have a problem if a player comes out during his career. It would set up a barrier between his teammates.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">i didn't think it was aimed at me... i was reading my posts looking for a slef-incriminating sentence LOL DUDE! thats almost not hypocritical, he doesn't seem like a genuine christian at all. maybe he just prays for show and doesn't actually have a relationship with God/Jesus. I can totally see why you have your views marred, its because of these kind of fools, rest assured if he doesn't change his ways and begin a relationship with Jesus he is HELL BOUND</div> Well my dad use to work with this guy. This man has his own church, so I don't know whats his problem. But he definately isn't practicing what he preaches. Talking about you shouldn't watch movies that are rated R and P-13 and you can't listen to this and you can't do this. It's so damn irritating, and it just makes it worse that he's just a pure asshole. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">But most female sports are like that. Womens wrestling, weight lifting, basketball, golf, and possibly swimming are known for having many lesbians.</div> I don't understand why so many golfers look like Ellen. There isn't many physicality to this sport and I'm confused to why there's only a few female golfers that look like females.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">Talking about you shouldn't watch movies that are rated R and P-13 and you can't listen to this and you can't do this. It's so damn irritating, and it just makes it worse that he's just a pure asshole. </div> I don't see any thing wrong with watching R and p-13 movies.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see any thing wrong with watching R and p-13 movies.</div> As far as christianity is concerned the only reason you shouldn't watch them is if they affect you in a way that may lead you to sin or even mak you think sin is ok etc. (i dunno what p-13 is) but pornos here are rated R. Pornos and other such movies are NOT ok to watch as they create lust and other evil desires. Sin in thought is the same as sin in deed. But some R rated movies are ok to watch provided it isn't going to affect the way you live. for instance, some horrorr movies are rated R, you can watch it knowing, it's just a movie etc. But you will generally find they aren't helpful to watch as a christian. And therefore you shouldn't watch (personally i don't) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting polishtrain:</div><div class="quote_post">Why does it matter what the bible says or doesnt say. People should have enough b*lls to decide on their own if they approve of homosexuality or not. Or any topic for that matter. I hate when people ran behind others statements so they dont have to think about it on their own. The bible also includes incest so does that mean we should all start doing it? No, it doesnt. So people start deciding for yourself if its wrong or not. I see the bible as a guideline to live my life. Not the one and only truth.</div> it matters what the bible says if thats what you live by. the bible is God's word,and being a christian i live by God's word. I orginally stated that Because of my beliefs as a christian i do not agree with homosexuality, but it is a sin just like any other. And i will help any sinner to resist sin where i can (after all i am a sinner too) I had/have enough guts to decided for myself that God's way is the ONLY way to live, and hence my stance on homosexuality. so your post about having gut to decide on our own is irrelevant. What specifically are you referring to in regards to the bible mentioning incest? i know it is mentioned, but i believe you have taken it out of context. If you give me the example i'll look it up and provide some feed back for you. BTW incest is NOT acceptable (i actually find it very disturbing and can't imagine why anyone would even consider it) regards Jon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post"> What specifically are you referring to in regards to the bible mentioning incest? i know it is mentioned, but i believe you have taken it out of context. If you give me the example i'll look it up and provide some feed back for you. BTW incest is NOT acceptable (i actually find it very disturbing and can't imagine why anyone would even consider it) regards Jon.</div> I think he is talking about the biblical view of how mankind to came be and the story of Lots and his daughters. Personally, I don't see anything bad with incest.
