forgive me for being a little frustrated but I just whatched a team assembled by Joe Dumars with NO superstars beat LA to win it all and here we are sitting around with *shutter* Danny FREAKIN ainge making us wish CHRIS WALLACE was still in charge. dark times for celtics fans. dark dark times
When Ainge came to Boston, everyone was saying what a great move it was for the Celtics. However, based on his moves that he's been making, it's not looking like it was such a great move. Granted I was one of the ones jumping all over him too, and rightfully so, but there was a reason that everyone was all excited that he was taking over. Give him some time, hopefully he'll remind us all of why we were excited about him coming in the first place.
i dont remember being exited when he came. he didnt exactly lead the suns to the promised land. he wants to make the celtics a fast break team like the nets and the kings. well how many championships have the nets and kings won recently?
I agree with you fast break team won't win champions ships unless they can convert and play a half court game at the same time. But to be a fast break team you have to have good def. But The half court game is where it is at. Don't get me wrong fastbreaks are fun to watch but whats more fun is to watch you team win it all I.E. The Championship
That is true about the Nets and Kings, also look at the style of the team that won it all this year, the Detroit Pistons, who play a half court game. I guess that would also explain the move for Ricky Davis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CelticsFan3519:</div><div class="quote_post">When Ainge came to Boston, everyone was saying what a great move it was for the Celtics. However, based on his moves that he's been making, it's not looking like it was such a great move. Granted I was one of the ones jumping all over him too, and rightfully so, but there was a reason that everyone was all excited that he was taking over. Give him some time, hopefully he'll remind us all of why we were excited about him coming in the first place.</div> Just how much of this train wreck did you think he could fix his first full season? Danny took a team that was cap strapped, aging and on a downward trend. He took a team that was suffering from a decade of poor trades and even worse drafting. Add to that some really idiotic coaching (can you say ML or Pitino perhaps) He has taken all that and shown us cap responsibility, traded most of the age and bad knees for youth and added some tradable commodities (Davis, Banks, Perkins, Jiri, Chucky) We havent touched the draft pool yet (3 #1's) and all the while taking 12 mil off the cap. We can actually spend the MLE and the Vet minimum, something we werent able to do under the previous regime for fear of hitting the luxury tax. At least blame the parties responsible for this mess, Gaston, Pitino and Wallace.
that is true 44 they ahve a much younger team now and Peice i wont say is leader material yet but he will get there
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CelticsFan3519:</div><div class="quote_post">That is true about the Nets and Kings, also look at the style of the team that won it all this year, the Detroit Pistons, who play a half court game. I guess that would also explain the move for Ricky Davis.</div> The Pistons scored almost 90 a game. Yes, they have a sembelance of a half court game, but do the majority of there scoring on the break.
first of all i dont see how you call perkins and banks commodities. and what good are three number one picks? it looks like a thin draft and even if its deep they arent going to find a potentiaally dominant player with any of those pics. and obviously they dont have the money to sign one unless they dont sign any middle teir free agents the next year or so. you talk around the draft all you want but the bottom line is the celtics wont win it all if they dont have anyone better than pierce. pierce is great dont get me wrong but hes not the type of player to be the best player on a championship teweam
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">first of all i dont see how you call perkins and banks commodities. and what good are three number one picks? it looks like a thin draft and even if its deep they arent going to find a potentiaally dominant player with any of those pics. and obviously they dont have the money to sign one unless they dont sign any middle teir free agents the next year or so. you talk around the draft all you want but the bottom line is the celtics wont win it all if they dont have anyone better than pierce. pierce is great dont get me wrong but hes not the type of player to be the best player on a championship teweam</div> Look at the Pistons, they had no dominant players, and not a single great all round player and they won the championship. The Celtics don't dominant players they just need good role players around Pierce.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BC:</div><div class="quote_post">Look at the Pistons, they had no dominant players, and not a single great all round player and they won the championship. The Celtics don't dominant players they just need good role players around Pierce.</div> Yeah you need that and a deeper bench. Now that Blount's gone a good C and decent PG could really help you back up to a decent status.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">first of all i dont see how you call perkins and banks commodities. and what good are three number one picks? it looks like a thin draft and even if its deep they arent going to find a potentiaally dominant player with any of those pics. and obviously they dont have the money to sign one unless they dont sign any middle teir free agents the next year or so. you talk around the draft all you want but the bottom line is the celtics wont win it all if they dont have anyone better than pierce. pierce is great dont get me wrong but hes not the type of player to be the best player on a championship teweam</div> Because todays NBA is about two words Upside and potential. If you have these type of guys, which are draft picks, and guys under 25 that have shown some skill, but have yet to break out, you can get at least half of the GM's in the league to trade for them. That makes them trade commodities. Did you expect them to win it all this year, if you did, I would ask that you go into cryogenic freeze for at least a year and probably 2. We took it apart to try and fix a decade of bonehead moves, coaching and drafting. Unfortunately there is no easy fix. Please dont spout about how we should have built around Toine and company, as they were already on a backslide and due to poor drafting, coaching and trading, we were so far over the cap that we couldnt sign anyone to tweak, and we couldnt get any free agents to come here anyways, because none of them want to play where 2 guys take better than 50% of the shots and then have the coach ask them to play aggressive D.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">forgive me for being a little frustrated but I just whatched a team assembled by Joe Dumars with NO superstars beat LA to win it all and here we are sitting around with *shutter* Danny FREAKIN ainge making us wish CHRIS WALLACE was still in charge. dark times for celtics fans. dark dark times</div> Well, first off, I believe Dumars has been running things a little longer than Ainge has. Danny hasn't even starting assembling his team yet. Building a team like the Pistons of this year takes time. Dumars also made his share of controversial moves. Don't be too quick to judge the moves Ainge is making. Dumars got annihilated when he traded Grant Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins, but didn't it turn out well for them? He later used Atkins in acquiring Rasheed Wallace. People also jumped on him after he traded Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton. Both of those trades looked bad when they were made, but in the end, proved to be vital in them winning the championship.
Very good points 44. Take this for what it's worth, but I think alot of people simply don't think much of Ainge the man or else the manner in which he publically operates as our DOBO, so it makes it easy for them to hammer on him. Frankly, I can't see how poeple can say "the Celtics are doomed with Danny Ainge at the helm" type non-sense after only a year at the helm.
^Ainge-bashers are also a product of the Celtics overachieving in 2002. That team was good, but nowhere near Championship quality. Alot of Ainge-bashers I encounter seem to think he broke up a dynasty.
