Well, since they started it on the radio.. might as well discuss it here

Of course with the breaking news about Jackson gone and O'neal perhaps being traded, do you think they will Look at Jackson (even tho, yes they have publicly stated that Adelman will be back as coach next year) and what of either shaq or bryant?

Of course, you have to at least look at Jackson. 9 & 1 record as a head coach in the finals. And of all the real contenders for the championship, Sacramento is the only one that has questions at the coaching spot. (even if the majority of those questions are only in the minds of the media)

O'neal, however? (and keep in mind, I am only bringing this up as it was the major topic of conversation on the local radio this evening) Cant see it happening, but I can see Petrie making a call about it.

and of course the third point in all of this... as a Kings fan, would you want either on your team? does team loyalty run so deep that you wouldnt want a particular player simply because he was a member of a rival team? (personally, I would welcome O'neal and Jackson with open arms in sactown, but i know a few who would not).

Your thoughts?

 

oh and by the way... i just looked at this.

Personally, I would make a deal. The numbers look to favor the Lakers by amounts that would make most say "you just cant give up that much for one guy"

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L.A. Lakers trades: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes)
L.A. Lakers receives: PF Chris Webber (18.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.6 apg in 36.1 minutes)
SG Doug Christie (10.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.2 apg in 33.9 minutes)
SF Gerald Wallace (2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.1 minutes)
C Jabari Smith (2.1 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +11.4 ppg, +4.2 rpg, and +6.8 apg.

Sacramento trades: PF Chris Webber (18.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.6 apg in 36.1 minutes)
SG Doug Christie (10.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.2 apg in 33.9 minutes)
SF Gerald Wallace (2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.1 minutes)
C Jabari Smith (2.1 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.5 minutes)
Sacramento receives: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: -11.4 ppg, -4.2 rpg, and -6.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to L.A. Lakers and Sacramento being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Sacramento had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</div>
but look at this lineup:

G Bibby/Jackson/Peeler
SF/F Stojakovic/Songaila
F/PF Songaila/Miller
C O'neal/Miller

along with that core group, sign some young talent in the draft at the SF/SG position or look to free agency for someone who is not spectacular, but still knows how NOT to turn over the ball and be a decient ball handler....

the money works and everyone currently on the Kings roster knows how to get the ball into the low post where O'neal is the most dominant....

and if you REALLY dont want to get rid of Christie (like me)... do it this way:
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L.A. Lakers trades: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.8 minutes)
SF Rick Fox (4.8 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.6 apg in 22.3 minutes)
L.A. Lakers receives: PF Chris Webber (18.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.6 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Vlade Divac (9.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +2.3 ppg, +0.2 rpg, and +4.4 apg.

Sacramento trades: PF Chris Webber (18.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.6 apg in 36.1 minutes)
C Vlade Divac (9.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Sacramento receives: C Shaquille O'Neal (21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 67 games)
SF Rick Fox (4.8 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.6 apg in 38 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -4.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to L.A. Lakers and Sacramento being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Sacramento had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</div>

how does this lineup shake you as a Kings Fan?

PG Bibby/Jackson
SG Christie
SF/F Stojakovic/Fox
F/PF Miller/Songaila
C O'neal/Miller

that looks even tastier than the first one. Divac would have to be a sign & trade deal as he is now a free agent, but even though he has recanted it, did say that he was looking to go to socal previously. That of course still leaves the Kings with Wallace, maybe the Kings could throw him in for free?

 

i think the second option is a bit unrealistic and unlikely. as for the first, it's interesting...kings lose a very good perimiter defender but gain a huge presence in the post and definately a sure scorer. dont think i would mind although i still quite like both webber and christie

 

I don't think that the first trade above is a good trade for the Kings. Sacramento would be giving up its best defensive stopper in Christie, plus, im not even sure how many more dominant seasons Shaq has left in him. As for the second trade, that looks far better from Sacramento's point of view, however im sure that the Lakers will field some better offers that this for Diesel.

 

Well I dont think the lakers would trade shaq to a western team even more unlikely the KINGS! Plus I dont think shaq would accept a trade to the kings he has made jokes about the franchise publicaly and about players such as christie. Also would you guys really want him on your team the guy called you the sacramento Queens, and he would destroy the team chemistry by possible having some old grudges held by players like christie.

 

the whole queens thing is overdone & quite honestly, given the state of things in lakerland, I think he would welcome such a trade. Keeps him on the left coast fairly close to home and on a team that can make it to the WCF. Do the Kings want him on the team? They want a championship, if that means trading Webber and Christie for O'neal I think they would do it if it can be done. The Kings fans will soon forget all the talk that O'neal made. Even if they could work it out with Christie staying put, they would do it & just tell everyone to act like adults & get the job done O'neal has proven that he can do that with this past season and so would Christie. The only real problem in that area would be Fox in my mind... I can see some major problems should he and Christie be on the same team...

Keep in mind... at the end of the day its still a business and they all know it. There are only two reasons to play for any team... one is a ring the other is money... O'neal will get his money...

 

I'm not too sure if both trade options would really benefit the Kings if this were to happen,but something needs to be done to shake up the team some...if we were to make some great trades,i'd have to say get someone that's a great defensive player.

And i highly doubt the Lakers and the Kings would trade with one another since both teams have such a great rivarly

 

that MR_SAC_KING is exactly where I was going to head next.

The rivalry that has been going would only be made stronger by this. think of it in these terms: a Bryant led team with Webber meeting an O'neal led team in the WCF. Bryant Trying to prove that he can lead a team to the finals on his own. O'neal with an axe to grind (into Bryants back). In my view that is exactly the type of thing the media would go nuts over and Stern would love every single minute of it.

If Buss wants to rebuild around Bryant, he is going to need a guy that can play the low post AND be able to pass the ball well. While Webbers Knees are at question, this he certainly fits that bill. the Kings need some defense under the basket, offensive and defensive boards and bring some dominant leadership to the table without disrupting the chemistry that is already there... even with his comments of old, I fully believe O'neal can do this.

will this actually happen? Probably not, but it is something that is not impossible and if I were Petrie, I would try to pull it off.

 

and another reason to think O'neal would welcome a trade to Sacramento:
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,20...2222325,00.html

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "I told you guys when I first got here, I'm all about winning championships," O'Neal said. "The organization now is different. It seems they're trying to pit one guy against another. ... I don't want to be part of that. Right now, they're not talking the team concept."

"When I was brought in by Jerry West, it was always a team concept," O'Neal said. "This isn't about respect or extensions. ... My last six or seven years I'm going to be in the league, I want to be on a great team."</div>

I just keep finding more reasons to pursue this.

 

Shaq as a King???

Intrestring,but i doubt it will happen,but if it does,i won't object

 

i wouldnt object either

 

i think Buss is SO in love with Bryant that he would do it if it ment keeping Bryant happy

 

I seriously don't think Shaq would want to be traded to the Kings. He has no respect for this team and not only does he have a grudge with Christie, he and Brad Miller got into a brief brawl when Miller was with the Bulls. Shaq with the Kings looks good on paper, but like somebody said before, he could mess up the team chemistry. Shaq wants to be the man on the team he's on and the Kings play team basketball. I'm not too sure he'll fit in with that all too good. And another thing, this guy gets paid I heard over 20 million a year. Do we really wanna give that much money to a guy who's not getting any younger?
It'll be great for ratings when the Kings play the Lakers and everything. Seeing Shaq play against Kobe will be must-see T.V.
If Shaq comes to the Kings, it would be too weird cheering for someone I used to slam all the time. I would still feel like he's a Laker.


As for Phil Jackson, I heard he's going to take a break in Montana for a while and then maybe after a year or two, he'll come back coaching. I wouldn't mind Phil becoming the head coach of the Kings. He took the Lakers to the Finals four times in the last five years, who wouldn't want him as their head coach? But it's not looking like it's gonna happen.

 

Jackson is something that i cant really speculate on right now simply because Adelman has one more year in his contract, next year the Kings will have to either resign him or find someone else. If the kings cant win the WCF next year, I think Adelman will be done in Sac. If that happens they may be able to get Jackson, but will they be able to get him before someone else does? who knows...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">

as a Kings fan, would you want either on your team? does team loyalty run so deep that you wouldnt want a particular player simply because he was a member of a rival team?

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Yes, it does. I don't want him or Phil.

 

If Kings get Diesel they should trade Miller and not Divac if they are to do anything ,as for Kobe he'd be great in every team but I' preety sure he'll stay in Lakers and Diesel will go but where........this one is tough to answer and from Maloofs I can expect anything but if Divac doesn't get an extension and they think they can do something next season they are really dumb...Maloofs and Adelman-Carril duo as well

 

no way they would trade miller, he is a young healthy guy that can start at the 4 or the 5...if you get O'neal, and trade Webber, you have to start Miller at the 4 with songaila off the bench

 

Ah the possibillties or shall i say the impossibilities of who will come to the Kings next year...

There's no way that Shaq will come over here,i think it would be a cold day in hell before that happens,and if it does happen,hey i won't complain,but the reality of this is that were not going to see 2 teams in the same conference that are Bitter Rivals do a trade to help each other

 

So you guys can just forget the Sacramento "Queens" like it never happened. The bragging rights and disdain that could be felt in the locker room. Think of this though, Adelman has been rumored to be on the hot seat. Think of Phil's offense with a team as unselfish as the Kings. I would think that the Kings would carve up the opposition.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sabretooth:</div><div class="quote_post">So you guys can just forget the Sacramento "Queens" like it never happened. The bragging rights and disdain that could be felt in the locker room. Think of this though, Adelman has been rumored to be on the hot seat. Think of Phil's offense with a team as unselfish as the Kings. I would think that the Kings would carve up the opposition.</div>

If Jackson were to be our New Coach,that's be great,but my guess is that Jackson wants to take some time off from the NBA

I'm waiting to see how the Kings can capitalize on the Lakers off-season moves,and make some bold choices here,like defensive players,a few trades that are big news,but if what you said were to come true,things would definetly change..for the better,who knows,but it's kinda intrigring