Some Rockets fans think of this as a good thing, The Magic think of it as a bad thing. If Tmac comes to Houston, JVG better shove this up his ass: 1) Yao comes first, than Tmac 2) He will play defense 3) Yao better have more shots attempted. 4) He better realize that hes in the West now, no more screwin around. 5) Tracy McGrady better be ready to play, and practice every single game/practice.. Thats about all for now, Trip, Im totally with u man, I really thought we coulda gone places with Francis and Yao: I hope this is how our deal works out.. Rockets get: Ty Lou, J Howard, Tmac. Magic get: Francis, Cato, and Mobley (BOKI IS OURS, YOU CANT HAVE HIM) Rockets starting line-up: Ok, so we do a sign and trade with Howard, send him to Phoenix, and they can send us Antonio Mcdyess.. If they want Lou/Lue, however u spell it, they can have him. Rockets then trade Pike to Cleveland, putting Ollie as our reserve or starting, depending on what they do with Lue. Rockets sign Tierre Brown, place him at PG. This kid won NBDL MVP, played wiht Rockets in preseason, i think we should call im up again. Our Starting team would look liek this: Yao - Center Mcdyess - Power Forward J. Jackson - Small Forward McGrady - Shooting Guard Brown/Ollie (Lue should be backup if we keep him) - Point Guard This fits in with the Salary Cap, and allows us to have 3 players 25 and under (Tmac, Yao, Brown) and all of our starting 5 under 35 (unless Jimmy is really old). Both teams should look at this as a new beginning, because, in my opinion, the Rockets got partially screwed over. We shoulda took control of the trade, not let the Magic say who they want us to have.. DeClerq?! wtf, i dont want him. Lue/Lou?! God, I cant believe he was a first rounder. J. Howard?! I trully dont think he can body up with KG, TD, JO, Amare, Shaq, Even Tim Thomas could give him problems.. Boki, Boki, Boki, Boki. My favorite player other than Yao and J J on the ROckets.. I hope we keep him. The Magics starting line-up could look like this. Cato - Center Gooden - Power Forward Dwight Howard - Small Forward (yes, i think he can play SF.) Mobley - Shooting Guard Francis - Point Guard In my opinion, that is not a bad line-up at all. I think Francis needed 1 more year, 1 more year, and he woulda been so good for us. Now hes with some coach, Johnny Davis? Davis was also head coach of the Philadelphia 76ers during the 1996-97 campaign and has a career coaching record of 42-111 (.275). All i can say to that is d-_-b Sorry for any offensive language, I'm just not in the best mood at the moment.
^^^ good post. however, since mcdyess is a free agent, can't he sign the mid-level exeption like gary did with the lakers? he said he really wanted to play for them a while ago. Power forward is interested in joining team <a href="http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/feigen/2611273" target="_blank">http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s.../feigen/2611273</a> i think he could be a big sleeper this year cuz of his injuries. i like him better then howard although howard would be a huge improvement over Cato offensively. and hopefully they wont have to give up nockbar. he has potential and fits in well with the offense. either way, houston needs a good point gaurd. not a super star but someone like earl watson or d fish (he said he was opting out of his 3 million dollar contract his year) who can run the offence without turning the ball over. fish would be perfect.
Orlando made this trade because they basically had to. While McGrady is better than Francis stats wise, the Rockets may of wish they never did this at the end of next season. Firstly, they have a big hole at PG. Mark Jackson is really getting on now, and I don't know if his body could take one whole NBA season, espeically if he starts. I wouldn't like Wilks starting either. They will have to rely on the draft of free agency, because they could struggle without a PG. Yao and T-Mac will be an interesting duo, and if they can share the ball and the shots, it could work out.
Yeah, I was gonna edit that jason, thanks tho.. Mcdyess is a free agent, but in order to get him, we might have to do a sign-and-trade through Charlotte, hoping he lands somewhere that doesnt ask for anyone else. I have no problem with Lue, but I DONT WANT HIM STARTING. I trully believe Les Alexander has some idea of what hes doing, cus he did bring Clyde the Glide here. Yeah, Our PF and PGs suck now, unless they want Mo to start, I'd think thatd be ok, but then Jim Jackson would lead us in rebounds Mike Wilks is ok too, though i hope we can bring in Ollie, or Damon Jones. I want Tierre Brown, that fools amazing, but since we had Francis, and Moochie, the Rockets went looking for a SG, but we have a huge ass hole for our Point Guard now.. same with PF, i know ive said that already but still, we need to pick some dudes up. I dont wanna see Howard here, waste of money.. And i loved Francis, Mobley, I wanted him gone, but man, NOT FRANCIS. Most of the Magic fans are total idiots (no offense) they cant see that they totally controlled this trade, taking our starting back court for god's sake, and to top it off, they get the friggin 1st Pick.. how is that bad?! you get Emeka, you'll go to the playoffs, get Howard, you'll have such a dominant trio: Francis, Mobley, Howard. The only thing that could go wrong, is Francis forgot what he learned in Houston, and decides he wants to dominate the team, since he is in the East, that could happen.. but I dont think hes that mad/stupid. The only reason i want Francis here is cus I was so happy when he came, and now hes leaving. Atleast McGrady is younger than all of them, so I guess we could give em 5 years and see how it goes, unless McGrady is a bitch and leaves. I think now, I'm totally undecided, but man, this is gonna be one hell of an offseason
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DirtySouth:</div><div class="quote_post">why do you keep saying he is the most selfish player. he avg 5 dimes a game it would be more if it wasn't for sorry players. he shot a lot because he had to.</div> 5 dimes isn't anything to do with if your selfish or not! And he averages 100 minutes per game, so he is likely to get 5 dimes a game!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BronxTeeRex:</div><div class="quote_post">5 dimes isn't anything to do with if your selfish or not! And he averages 100 minutes per game, so he is likely to get 5 dimes a game!</div> That makes absolutely no sense at all. Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson and Cuttino Mobley all average MORE minutes per game than McGrady and they're all averaging FAR LESS assists per game than T-Mac. Playing a lot of minutes does not mean you're likely to average a lot of assists, Allen Iverson plays more minutes per game than anybody else and he's only averaging 5.7 APG, just .2 more than McGrady's 5.5 APG .
This is exciting times!!!!!!!!!!!! Even though we're trading 3/5 of our starting players.. I don't think we'll miss their failure over the past 5 years to go become a team that will challenge for the trophy. We won't miss francis+mobley's immature shots and turnovers and their inability to utilize Yao. With Lue he could dish the dimes straight to Yao. We won't miss Cato's bricks from everywhere either!! I feel sorry for Francis ..his heart was in this team..but sometimes sacrifices have to be made..in the end it's Francis's fault for not being able to show that he's a priceless player. Gd luck orlando..for Houston ...An All-star Team is BORN
@Magnomonkey I don't see how McDyess could be an upgrade over Juwan Howard. Howard, albeit overpriced, is still a solid 16/8 veteran. McDyess has injury problems and has already lost some of his explosiveness. What we need now is Howard to play next to Yao in the post and guard the KG and Duncan's of the opponents. On offense, we can put him around Yao to get garbage baskets.
I think Howard wont be able to give any body what so ever against KG, and Shaq, and the dominant big men in the West. The only time I've sat and watched him was when he was with Dallas (was he in dallas?), and he putup some nice numbers.. I think when Mcdyess said he wanted Houston, he knew he was gonna do soem bumping. I guess thats ok, but PG!!! we need a PG!! Ollie or Gaines, Ill take Gaines at Starting, but any of those 2 will be better than Lue.. TIERRE BROWN, TIERRE BROWN.. Hm.. I wonder if were gonna do anything else trade wise, because the draft hasnt even started - unless im missing it..
I'm not really sure if Gaines is better than Tyrone Lue. After all, Lue started at PG over Gaines in Orlando.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Orlando reportedly agreed to trade McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Andrew DeClercq to Houston for Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato. Charlotte would have to agree not to select Howard, Mobley or Cato in the expansion draft for the deal to work.</div> http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/156862-9828-036.html So yesterday I'm thinking the Bobcats could be mean and try to screw these teams, or make them give them some incentives not to take any of the guys that could ruin the trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not really sure if Gaines is better than Tyrone Lue. After all, Lue started at PG over Gaines in Orlando.</div> Gaines was a rookie, Lue is not a good PG, at the end of the season he asked to be put on the bench because he doesn't feel he's a starting PG, he said he's more of a bench guy. At least he's humble, but Gaines actually had one good game then, he had like 14 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists, and then 8-6-2 and 5-2-2 (15 mins)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">So yesterday I'm thinking the Bobcats could be mean and try to screw these teams, or make them give them some incentives not to take any of the guys that could ruin the trade.</div> What if they "decided" to do the draft, and after the trade found out that they could'nt take the contracts and pulled out. Can you say bitter hatred. At least they could come into the league with heat.
I dont remember who, but someone (in this forum) said that a deal would have to be "officially announced" b4 July.. According to this, its in the month of July:<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">While no deal can become official until July due to Steve Francis' base-year compensation (BYC) status, there's not likely to be any turning back now. Today's expansion draft won't kill the deal, but could determine if it needs to be tweaked or not. Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato look to be locks heading to Orlando while Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines could be the ones coming south, with Gaines' "unprotected" status in the expansion draft a potential holdup.</div> clutchfans.net - thats all of it, but you can see more info on it there. Somewhere i read that the Bobcats said they would draft Gaines if the Magic didnt agree to take Howard with there lottery pick, working on that Link right now.. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not really sure if Gaines is better than Tyrone Lue. After all, Lue started at PG over Gaines in Orlando.</div> I think Gaines never, until the end of the season, had a chance to prove himself, like og15 said, <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but Gaines actually had one good game then, he had like 14 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists</div> Those arent bad numbers, I'm sure his assists will go up. Lue is small, people say hes fast, but not really, he gets like 10 ppg, which is prolly what we need from a PG now, but I'd rather have 15 ppg. Now I think we need a good back up SG, unless Pike can get some minutes. Hopefully the Bobcats dont give me another reason to hate them, and hopefully Les Alexander and CD have some idea of what they are doing.. Wonder what this offseason will bring..
Lue's a good throw-in for the Rockets, since he's already played with Shaq and knows how to make that entry pass
I think Howard is a stat sheet baby and nothing more. Anyone who has actually tried watching him over the years can easily say he's overrated, overpaid, and the last kind of player you want on a winning team. The guy plays dirty, has arguably the ugliest jump shot in the league, is FAR from consistent, and is a horrible defensive player. I'll be amazed if JVG doesnt bench or try to dump him off in some kind of trade (but then nobody would want Howard anyway..)
