<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It appears that the Charlotte Bobcats are close to making their first major trade as a franchise. The Clippers and Bobcats are in serious trade discussions that would send Los Angeles' No. 2 pick in the draft along with center Peja Drobjnak to Charlotte for the No. 4 pick, two league sources tell ESPN Insider Chad Ford. One of the sources confirmed to Ford on Monday that the trade was close to being finalized.</div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/ne...tory?id=1825791 SAY IT ISN'T SO!!! Man I love Drobnjak, I still don't get why the Clippers are tring to trade him. All season long it's been killing me to see him sitting on the bench because I think he is a very good player when given an opportunity. Another bad move by the Clippers IMO, and I just hope Chicago doesn't pick Shaun Livingston before us.
^I believe they're doing it because Sterling thinks they have enough bigs and he wants to cut his payroll as much as possible before he makes a run at Kobe.
I think they could've gotten much more value if they kept Drobnjak and dealt the #2 somewhere else. Apparently a lot of teams are high on Howard....o well
The problem is, I really felt the Bobcats would pick Drobnjak in the expansion draft anyway. He's a legit center with size, and he knows how to score. I was already disappointed in them leaving him open because I felt they would take him, but now they trade down to get rid of him on top of that.. Great move Baylor.. By the way: This deal is now official.
This team is unbelievable. Prior to this deal the Clippers held all the cards. I agree with Phreeze, the Bobcats would have likely picked Drobnjak anyways in the expansion draft, and why would the Clippers be concerned either way? Knocking another 3M off the books isn't going to be enough to get Kobe anyways. Come draft day the Clippers have to now cross their fingers, hoping Livingston is still on the board. I don't understand the Clipper's mentality of acquiring him in the first place. They claim to need a PG, but when they had Andre Miller (and Odom), they were still one of the worst teams in the league. Livingston is not even NBA ready and will struggle against the quick guards in the NBA. He also doesn't have any veterans to learn from and is going to pick up a lot of bad habits being surrounded with so many young players. With the possibility of Howard being taken #1, this would have allowed the Clippers a shot at Emeka Okafor. A frontcourt of Okafor and Brand would be outstanding for this franchise. Both are a little undersized to play the center position, but having them on the court at once would be more than adequate, just look at the success Detroit had with the Wallaces. Both Brand and Okafor are tremendous shotblockers and rebounders and can score inside the paint. There are a lot of free agent point guards (Nash, Crawford, Hudson) available and several more in this year's draft. I don't see why the Clippers didn't wait until draft day to make this decision? Not only would they have a more clear picture of who would be available and who wouldn't, they would be sure to get more enticing offers than just the #4 pick and 2nd rounder and a commitment for Drobnjak to be selected in the Expansion Draft.
Just food for thought here, but LA may have done the deal with Gordon in mind, not Livingston. Gordon cancelled his workout with Phoenix today, which is a strong indication that he has a promise from a team in the top 6. The only two teams in the top 6 that openly need pgs are LA and Atlanta. A Gordon/Terry backcourt seems like it is too small to make sense, so I've started to think that Gordon could be the guy that LA is targeting. The timing of it all makes sense. But then the issue becomes why didn't LA just make a deal with Atlanta if Gordon is their guy. Washington certainly isn't going to take him with Arenas already in place and getting a #17 pick this year is certainly worth more than getting the #33 and 2.8 mil in cap space. Charlotte had said that if they kept the pick they were targeting Iguodala, Childress, and Deng, so its unlikely Gordon would go to them. The more I think about this, the less sense it makes. If Gordon is their guy, there are only two scenarios that make this deal make sense: The only reason to do a deal right now is if LA really thinks Charlotte would have taken Gordon at #4 now matter what. Because if both Livingston and Gordon were available at #6, Atlanta could try and strong arm LA into accepting a lesser deal because they could
i posted on the thread in the Bobcats forum, but there HAS to be more here than meets the eye. I'd be willing to bet that there's an agreement involved that would have the Bobcats picking up one or two of the Clippers' big contracts in the expansion draft as well.. Freeing up cap space for a run at Kobe.
The thing is, aside from Corey Maggette and Elton Brand the Clippers don't have any big and/or long contracts. Everyone else is either on a veteran's minimum contract, or is still playing out their rookie contract.. There really isn't more to this trade than what we've seen, this is just another dumb move by the Clippers.
Well we could've gotten better for it, waited till the draft and see where Livingston or Gordon whichever one it was we were looking at falls too, then we could've tradded for ATL's #6 and #17 instead of a #4 and #33. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That player is thought to be Shaun Livingston, a 6-foot-6 point guard from Peoria Central High in Peoria, Ill., who originally committed to Duke. Livingston, who worked out Sunday for the Clippers in El Segundo, has been identified by the club as one of the top three point guards in the draft, along with Ben Gordon of NCAA champion Connecticut and Devin Harris of Wisconsin. Gordon also worked out Sunday for the Clippers, Harris two weeks ago in Chicago. One of the three is expected to be the Clippers' pick, with Livingston thought to have the greatest long-term potential despite his slight, 186-pound frame. "This trade achieves a twofold objective," Clipper General Manager Elgin Baylor said during a conference call, reading from a prepared statement. "First, we know we will get the player we want with the fourth pick, and second, it improves our salary-cap flexibility with regard to potential free-agent developments." </div> http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippe...eadlines-sports Why didn't you just wait, I don't think ATL and Charlotte were going to withdraw their offers.
Have any of you guys seen this Livingston kid play? From the descriptions I've heard of his game, he has Cedric Bozeman written all over him....
I've seen a few tapes of his workouts on Fox Sportsnet, but aside from that no. Scouts are pretty high on him though, and they believe he's a one of a kind player. I'm not too keen on the Clippers drafting another high schooler, especially one who is 6'7 and only weights 170lbs, but if he turns out anywhere near what the scouts are saying I'll be happy. The Clippers need a TRUE point guard, and Livingston is that kind of pass-first PG we need. We could have done more with the #2 pick, probably trade for another pick and a vet PG but too late for that now. We'll just have to hope Livingston turns out as a good contributor next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It appears almost certain the Clippers will select high school point guard Shaun Livingston with the fourth overall pick. The Clippers put themselves in position to acquire Livingston on Monday when they swapped places in the draft with the expansion Charlotte Bobcats. </div> http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/23/s...icle_143994.php <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, one league source said yesterday the Bobcats traded up so they could pick Luol Deng, the freshman from Duke. If that happens, it's possible a chain reaction could occur that allows someone like Devin Harris of Wisconsin or Josh Childress of Stanford to slide to the Sonics.</div> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/179141_sonx23.html Huh? Makes no sense, what do we want to do, play Maggette at the 2, Deng at the 3, and still ahve Jaric at point :thumbsdow
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/179141_sonx23.html Huh? Makes no sense, what do we want to do, play Maggette at the 2, Deng at the 3, and still ahve Jaric at point :thumbsdow</div> I think you misread it...it says the Bobcats want to select Deng, not the Clipps
real clipper fan! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ooops lol</div> I dont think any of you are clipper fans if you think it was wrong for the trade. First they didn't have a second round pick, and if they move down 2 spots they still get who they want and save money.The second pic, or the 4th pic,thats a big diff- in pay. They still have baby shaq coming this year from the euro-league, hes 18 years old 6-9 265 lbs. he will help elton on the boards. The questions is what should we do with the second pic, no#33.P.S dont forget josh moor who is 7-0 320lbs and only 23 years old and didnt play last year because of his foot.
Actually the Clippers could've waited to see if Livngston dropped to 6th, and then traded ATL for the #6 and #17, then they get the same player they would've at #4, and get a much better pick than the #33. The Cats and ATL weren't going to withdraw their offers, and we could've just waited till draft say to find out.
hawks wanted to much <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually the Clippers could've waited to see if Livngston dropped to 6th, and then traded ATL for the #6 and #17, then they get the same player they would've at #4, and get a much better pick than the #33. The Cats and ATL weren't going to withdraw their offers, and we could've just waited till draft say to find out.</div> The hawks wanted us to take terry and his contract to, then we would have to many gaurds and terrys contract is much more than Livingstons. You would also have to pay 2 first round picks plus try to sign Q, clippers did the right thing.
I never heard of that, I heard the Hawks were just giving thr #6 and #17 in exchange for #2 and Drobnjak, they aren't the one with the high pick os they can't be making stipulations here.
The rumored trade was #2 for #6 and #17 ...but the Clipps actually wanted Terry instead of #17 (I dunno why they would want terry). The hawks felt that was giving up too much Regardless, it's over and done with....I just hope they don't draft Livingston, I have a bad feeling about him....
