Well I know for a fact that Juwan won't be able to get picked tomorrow, and am pretty sure that Mobley and Cato were protected as well. I would rather get something for him then nothing, even if it is a headcase.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Hopefully the Bobcats draft Mobley, Cato or Howard tomorrow night. I hate hate hate this deal with all my heart. Just let T-Mac go for nothing. It's better than having a head case like Francis.</div> I disagree. Tmac going for nothing is just like leaving a rolex on the street. Francis is a great point guard and will eventually get over this imo. He is still young and says things before he fully thinks them out. Mobley and francis is our back court more than makes up for the scoring tmac did and gives us a great future. Then we also got a hard nosed defensive player in Cato. Who like I said before will provide us with a charles oakly like game and protect the paint for us. Plus after next season we finally get grant hills contract that was the same as tmacs off our cap. Meaning we can then sign more young talent. So basically we can get the cap room to sign young talent next year. Two possible all stars. Plus a good inside presence . As well as keep our first overall pick meaning we are now going in the right direction. To this trade I say :thumbsup: .
Neither Mobley or Cato are available to the Cats and your theory is pretty messed up. What free-agents would sign with Orlando If you let Mcgrady walk for free? You would still have no cap space to sign anyone decent. This is the best trade talent wise and stat wise you would of gotten. Be happy with it. This trade should alone get you back to the playoffs.
"I thought we were really building something, something very good in Houston," Francis said. "Obviously that's not the direction they want to go. I still think we could be a very good team. "I'm not crying. Like I told you before, I know this is a business. Things like that happen. I'm not mad. I'm not upset. This is what they're trying to do. But like I said, I still think we could be something." Full Story Latest news on the espn newswire. Maybe he will change his feelings and his agent said it isn't a done deal yet.
So what are you guys gonna say if Francis refuses to play for us? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He is still young and says things before he fully thinks them out.</div> He's been in the League for 5 years. He's acted the same way since then. Could it be that that's just his attiude? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Neither Mobley or Cato are available to the Cats and your theory is pretty messed up.</div> Well, that's what Jim Gray reported on his article. But looking at the expansion list it looks like they're not available. Which loses some credibility to Gray's report. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What free-agents would sign with Orlando If you let Mcgrady walk for free? You would still have no cap space to sign anyone decent.</div> Um, if we let T-Mac go then his contract is gone too. Meaning we can sign players with the $$ available. Do even know how free agency works? I'm not saying that's what the Magic should do. I'm just saying I'd rather do that then trade for Francis. You guys will know 1st hand and realize how overrated Francis is. He's not a championship player IMO. Food for though: If him and Mobley couldn't get it done with Ming in Houston what makes you t hink they can do it on their own? Last time I checked we don't have anyone that's as good as Ming. BTW-Do you even know what the word "theory" means? Use it in the right context as I did not make ANY "theories". 2 years from now, we'll realize what a dumb trade this was and how still hovering around mediocrity.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Um, if we let T-Mac go then his contract is gone too. Meaning we can sign players with the $$ available. Do even know how free agency works?</div> Do you know how the salary cap works? Orlando would still be over the cap and only really have the MLE to spend on free-agents. Until Grant Hill's contract comes off the books you can't expect anything speical coming out of free-agency. If letting Mcgrady go for nothing would mean you would have cap room, I'm sure It would of been suggested over and over again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Food for though: If him and Mobley couldn't get it done with Ming in Houston what makes you t hink they can do it on their own? Last time I checked we don't have anyone that's as good as Ming</div> Last time I Checked Houston were in the west, and won over 45 games or whatever they ended up as. Orlando would now have basically 60% of their starting 5 that took the Lakers to 5 games in a hard series. Houston have a young team and I'm sure if it stuck togeather would make a deep dun in the post season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW-Do you even know what the word "theory" means? Use it in the right context as I did not make ANY "theories". 2 years from now, we'll realize what a dumb trade this was and how still hovering around mediocrity.</div> Infact It was a theory by you stating by letting T-mac go for free you would get good free-agents who would want to play for Orlando, which is impossible unless you have money to throw at them. If Dwight Howard is as good as expected you won't be stuck in mediocity. All Orlando need is to move Francis to shooting guard where he would be far more effective.
I totally disagree with you even though Steve Francis can sometimes be careless with the ball he isnt overated,he can play and he has proved that in the playoffs IMO.You think this trade is bad well look at your possible 04-05 lineup. pg-Franchise/Lue sg-Mobley sf-Maybe Grant Hill/if not Drue Gooden pf-possibly D.Howard/Emeka OKafor c-Cato If I loved the Magic then I would love this trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">So what are you guys gonna say if Francis refuses to play for us? He's been in the League for 5 years. He's acted the same way since then. Could it be that that's just his attiude? Well, that's what Jim Gray reported on his article. But looking at the expansion list it looks like they're not available. Which loses some credibility to Gray's report. Um, if we let T-Mac go then his contract is gone too. Meaning we can sign players with the $$ available. Do even know how free agency works? I'm not saying that's what the Magic should do. I'm just saying I'd rather do that then trade for Francis. You guys will know 1st hand and realize how overrated Francis is. He's not a championship player IMO. Food for though: If him and Mobley couldn't get it done with Ming in Houston what makes you t hink they can do it on their own? Last time I checked we don't have anyone that's as good as Ming. BTW-Do you even know what the word "theory" means? Use it in the right context as I did not make ANY "theories". 2 years from now, we'll realize what a dumb trade this was and how still hovering around mediocrity.</div> He has been in the league five years, but he is still young age wise. Also your comment on what ALLnet said about no free agents wanting to come to orlando I cant speech for him, but I think what he means is what free agents would want to come to a team with no all star, no real players signed long term, and no talent. Also when hills contract (he is getting payed the same amount as tmac) come off the cap next year we can sign more good players. Then they will com ehere because we have a good back court and are a playoff team. Not to mention we still have our draft pick to use on howard or okafor. Plus this trade givesa us cap room as welll as howard's contract comes off the team cap. Francis also you must remember was co rookie of the year. Also a three time all star. He is worth getting he can score for us and play the point. He and mobley will make up for tmac's scoring and cato will be good inside we got the best part of this deal just review it a little more before you get mad about it.
I have reviewed it. You guys act like I've never seen Francis play before. I've seen him plenty of times and the guy is not a team player. He even complained about how the offense was around Ming and not him. BTW-What if Hill comes back and plays on a regular basis? It's HIS option to opt out. Not the Magics. I'm looking at this trade objectively. It seems some of you just like this trade cause Francis is a well known player and he's in a Magic uniform now. Think with your head, not with your hearts. I hope this trade falls through.
Francis is not a great point guard, he is very good player If moved to shooting guard. You may not like the guy but you are still getting a very good scorer in Mobley and a very underrated defender in Cato. He gave Shaq alot of problems this year and is a big reason why Houston's defense has been so impressive.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">I have reviewed it. You guys act like I've never seen Francis play before. I've seen him plenty of times and the guy is not a team player. He even complained about how the offense was around Ming and not him. BTW-What if Hill comes back and plays on a regular basis? It's HIS option to opt out. Not the Magics. I'm looking at this trade objectively. It seems some of you just like this trade cause Francis is a well known player and he's in a Magic uniform now. Think with your head, not with your hearts. I hope this trade falls through. </div> Actually yes I was very happy that francis was involved in this trade, but unlike most people I see the REST of the trade. Isee a great shooter, good game time three point shooter, good scorer, possible all star player in mobely also coming. I see a good inside player in cato coming to the weak inside eastern conference. I see our back court improving and if hill comes back and play on a regular bases possible a all star player playing at our 1 thorugh 3 positions. Plus our first overall pick be it howard or okafor at the 4. Also our version of the 90's knicks charles oakly.
man, time is ticking for the pacers to give a better offer , how about Al harrington , J Bender and J Tinsley
Wow, you guys think much more highly of Francis and Mobley than I do. Why wasn't this all said BEFORE the trade? I jst sense a lot of bias on these opinions. I mean, you guys are already calling Mobley an All-Star.LOL Again, I hope I'm wrong and Franic turns it around and becomes a team player. But he hasn't done it the last 5 years so what's gonna change him now? Especially for a team he wants nothing to do with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post">man, time is ticking for the pacers to give a better offer , how about Al harrington , J Bender and J Tinsley</div> No way the rockets are offering two over 15 point scorers. Possible two all stars imo. A good inside defensive player in cato who like I said I compare to oakly. The only good player I see in that trade is harrington bender and tinsely have potential. Although on the other hand mobely and francis are already proven stars.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, you guys think much more highly of Francis and Mobley than I do. Why wasn't this all said BEFORE the trade? I jst sense a lot of bias on these opinions. I mean, you guys are already calling Mobley an All-Star.LOL Again, I hope I'm wrong and Franic turns it around and becomes a team player. But he hasn't done it the last 5 years so what's gonna change him now? Especially for a team he wants nothing to do with.</div> I am the only one calling mobely a POSSIBLE all star. I had said all this stuff in a couple of threads about this possible trade going down. Eventually though I got tired of posting the same thing about how mobely is a good shooter and francis a good all star and cato a oakly type player over and over.
crazytown... The trade hinges on Juwon Howard, and he IS available in the expansion draft... One thing Francis hasn't done that McGrady has is play for a last place team, so who's more championship material, the guy who tanked a season or the guy who plays his ass off on every play? Would you prefer the Magic let McGrady walk and get nothing for him next season? Show me when Francis complained about the offense being run around Ming? Crazy prediction, McGrady WILL complain about it next season.. AllNet... Francis is a PG and will stay at point guard...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, you guys think much more highly of Francis and Mobley than I do. Why wasn't this all said BEFORE the trade? I jst sense a lot of bias on these opinions. I mean, you guys are already calling Mobley an All-Star.LOL Again, I hope I'm wrong and Franic turns it around and becomes a team player. But he hasn't done it the last 5 years so what's gonna change him now? Especially for a team he wants nothing to do with.</div> I can't stand Francis so why would I have any baised when I could care less about either team? I have already stated in this thread he isn't a very good point guard but as an overall player? He's very good. He just needs to be moved to the right spot on the floor for him to be more effective. Bottom line is this This deal is the best available deal the Magic could of got for Mcgrady, It's far better than letting him walk for nothing. The last thing Magic fans need is Shaq part II
Mobley is a slightly above average shooting guard, not that close to an All Star, I could even see Stevenson taking some major minutes away from him... Bookmark this thread now because I'm betting the Magic win more games next season than they ever did with McGrady, IF this trade goes down as reported AND they don't suffer major injuries...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys will know 1st hand and realize how overrated Francis is. He's not a championship player IMO. </div> Francis is not a franchise player? He is in many ways more of a franchise player than T-Mac. First off, what is your definition of a franchise player? To me, a franchise player is one that makes an instant impact to whichever team he goes to, and averages well balanced numbers. Francis's career average is 19/6/6, which are very well-rounded. McGrady is a well-rounded player, period. But which of these players hold a more significant role within their teams? I do not know about McGrady, but what I do know is that Steve Francis is one tough captain. He comes early to practice, and leaves late, each and every time. When Francis first came to Houston, he did not get enough help from ailing center Hakeem Olajuwon and retiring power forward Charles Barkley, who reached the twilights of their careers. Thus, Francis's rookie season ended with a mere 32 wins. In his second season, Francis took over as the leader of his team. He brought the Rockets to one game within the playoffs with as bad a roster as any other in the league at the time. The only 2 seasons where Francis had a sub .500 record was his rookie and the season where he was plagued with migraines. This should prove how much value he has to his team and the impact he brings. This trade to me is very benefitial to your team. You guys get two 20-point scorers and perennial All-Stars who are also one of the best backcourts in the NBA. In Cato, you get a 6-11 bruiser who can more than start at center for your team. Him paired with Okafor could be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the league. Meanwhile, you get to dump a unloyal and overrated SOB in McGrady and an overpriced aging player in Howard who still have 4 years left on his contract. Which team got the better end of the trade now?
