Several sources tell me that if the Abdur-Rahim to NJ deal happens, then the Martin-Allen deal may follow IMMEDIATELY. If the Nets trade Aaron Williams, and Kerry Kittles (maybe a pick as well) to Portland for Abdur-Rahim, then the Nets will target a big-time SG. Rod Thorn has been high on Allen for years. He will probably pursue him if the Abdur-Rahim deal occurs. It would be a sign-and-trade with Martin and Allen (a few benchwarmers as well) The real player in this whole rumor is.....CHARLOTTE. Charlotte can draft Kittles and then trade him to a suitor to help their cap. <u>BOTTOM LINE</u> If Charlotte doesn't draft Kittles then a K-mart-Allen trade is very possible. If not, then it is highly unlikely Odds If Charlotte drafts Kittles: 1 in 18 If Charlotte leaves Kittles and the Kittles-Reef trade occurs: 1 in 5 That's all, fellas. Analyze it however you want.
Considering NJ are trying to cut down costs, both deals are very UNLIKELY The Nets are said to trade Kittles for small contracts and If a team offers K-mart around 85 million they will not match. It has also been said they will not spend their MLE.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Considering NJ are trying to cut down costs, both deals are very UNLIKELY The Nets are said to trade Kittles for small contracts and If a team offers K-mart around 85 million they will not match. It has also been said they will not spend their MLE.</div> Tell that to Chad Ford.
Very interesting. If this did eventuate, it makes sense for Seattle to be targeting Snyder. I would do this deal in a heartbeat, as I am a fan of Kenyon, but what do other people think? It really hinges on what Martin is going to accept as it would have to be a S&T (around the 83 million mark I would think), and whether he would still be as effective A) In the West, and With Luke Ridnour and possibly Brent Barry running the show, as opposed to Jason Kidd. C - Potapenko PF - Martin SF - Lewis SG - Flip/Snyder PG - Ridnour (Barry?) I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but imagine Ridnour running the break, looking up and having a choice between K-Mart, Rashard, Flip or Kirk Snyder to finish
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Considering NJ are trying to cut down costs, both deals are very UNLIKELY The Nets are said to trade Kittles for small contracts and If a team offers K-mart around 85 million they will not match. It has also been said they will not spend their MLE.</div> Shareef and Ray Allen both come off the cap at the end of the 2004/05 season. That gives the Nets an ENORMOUS amount of flexibility, even if they re-sign one (likely Ray).
i still don't like the idea of trading kmart. i would rather see us get sar then trade him for ray. i just don't feel comfortable with sar taking over for kmart. i understand we could end up with ray as our sg which would be nice, but i would like to try and get someone through FA and keep kmart than have to trade him away. offseason will be interesting but i hope nets keep kmart. he is one of my favs and great to watch and has a huge upside. every year he has improved but going to the west he might have some trouble against the bigger bodies. kmart says he wants to stay in jersey he likes everything here, so maybe he will ask for less or find some way to stay in nj,
This trade would be horrible for NJ imo they would have no one to lead there team emotinally or spark the team if they lose martin reef is a good player, but I dont see him as a vocal leader for the nets. Then j-kidd is expected to miss the start of the season do to his off season surgery so the nets would have to revolve there entire team arond reef and allen. So they would lose there personality as a fast break team. Also this would slow the progression of RJ imo. He would become there fourth scoring option and less invloved in the teams offense.
I like this trade actually, adding an explosive big man like K-Mart is just what the Sonics need. Like Supersonic said, this makes taking Kirk Snyder very logical. A young backcourt with Ridnour, Snyder, and Flip makes me salivate. The Sonics would be building for the future while adding a guy that could contribute right away and attract fans. I've heard that Charlotte will almost definitely not take Kittles in the expansion draft, so I'm going to cross my fingers that this goes down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">This trade would be horrible for NJ imo they would have no one to lead there team emotinally or spark the team if they lose martin reef is a good player, but I dont see him as a vocal leader for the nets. Then j-kidd is expected to miss the start of the season do to his off season surgery so the nets would have to revolve there entire team arond reef and allen. So they would lose there personality as a fast break team. Also this would slow the progression of RJ imo. He would become there fourth scoring option and less invloved in the teams offense.</div> Exactly,people always seem to forget to count or factor in that K-mart is our emotional leader & provides the tuffiness. And heart it takes for us to be competive evey single night. We will be an entirely different team without K-Mart. Th core group of Martin-Kidd-Richard Jefferson need to stay together at all cost. And by bringing in Ray Allen,it will put us in the position where we will have to decide whether we keep Ray Allen or Jefferson next year. And if the Nets are smar they will keep RJ, which means that we really in the long run ended up giving Kittles(a guy that has been a core player for our team for 8 seasons) & K-mart who has been one of our leaders for the last 4 years all for Reef(and even he may ask for to much & have to leave on the FA market). Bad deal imo. Kittles is going to leave regardless via trade (or bobcats taken him but they wont), no matter what else happpens this offseason. But the Nets need to find anyway & everyway possible to make sure K-Mart stays a Net. Anyway I heard a rumor that if Francis goes to the Magic inthe blockbuster trade thats surpose to happen, he will then get ship to the Sonics for Ray Allen. Has anyone else heard this?
i havent heard that francis to rockets then to seattle for allen trade. i would rather us not get sar and/or allen at all this season if we can keep kmart. deke and zo's contracts will come off our books this coming season along with debo if he stays. i rather have a subpar season this coming yr b/c we couldnt improve our team in the FA as long as we keep kmart. i think if we lose him our future is going to hurt. i really see him as almost important as kidd to our future. i rather trade for paul pierce if that would be possibly since ainge said he is tradeable. we could give them kk and debo b/c thier contracts come off the books next year and that could help them rebuild with being able to sign ppl in FA. i know that isnt even a rumor, but i rather us do that than get sar or ray allen and have to lose kmart. i dont think anything is worth losing kmart for unless it is a dominating player.
i havent heard that francis to rockets then to seattle for allen trade. i would rather us not get sar and/or allen at all this season if we can keep kmart. deke and zo's contracts will come off our books this coming season along with debo if he stays. i rather have a subpar season this coming yr b/c we couldnt improve our team in the FA as long as we keep kmart. i think if we lose him our future is going to hurt. i really see him as almost important as kidd to our future. i rather trade for paul pierce if that would be possibly since ainge said he is tradeable. we could give them kk and debo b/c thier contracts come off the books next year and that could help them rebuild with being able to sign ppl in FA. i know that isnt even a rumor, but i rather us do that than get sar or ray allen and have to lose kmart. i dont think anything is worth losing kmart for unless it is a dominating player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway I heard a rumor that if Francis goes to the Magic inthe blockbuster rade thats surpose to happen, he will then get ship to te Sonics for Ray Allen. Has ayone else heard this?</div> Heard it, and prayed it wasn't true. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting throwback:</div><div class="quote_post">i still don't like the idea of trading kmart. i would rather see us get sar then trade him for ray.</div> Why would Portland settle for Kittles if they knew Seattle were prepared to give up Ray Allen for Shareef? If that was the case, they'd just go straight to the Sonics. As for K-Mart I can understand Nets fans not wanting him to leave, I would feel exactly the same way, I guess it all comes down to who's going to budge first. K-Mart by accepting less than the max, or management by coughing up.
I doubt the Sonics would do a sign and trade with Kenyon getting the max. They have some bad experiences with big guys. But, like I've said in the past, I'd trade for Martin if, and only if, Barry is resigned.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Casual:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt the Sonics would do a sign and trade with Kenyon getting the max. They have some bad experiences with big guys. But, like I've said in the past, I'd trade for Martin if, and only if, Barry is resigned.</div> I reckon he'd stick around if he had K-Mart in the middle to alley-oop too Imagine a backcourt of Ray Allen and Jason Kidd, too. Add in RJ's continued development and Shareef at the four, and you have yourself a legitimate championship contender.
Just thinking, what's the exact rulings in terms of Base Year Contracts? If K-Mart goes from a rookie deal to a huge deal like the one rumoured, would that qualify him for BYC? Which of course means only half his contract counts in a trade, thus making it almost impossible for such a trade to happen straight up.
